ETA Until Goldberg gets arrested for leaking classified documents the entire admin just said under oath was not classified. Because double standards are the only standards
The fact they’re more worried about Saudi Arabia, the human rights violating monarchy, and despising our European democratic allies really does show where the admin’s priorities lie
Good on the Atlantic publishing these, too bad he didn't have the presence of mind (or necessary contacts, or desire to save lives) to warn the Yemenis, which is what he really should have done.
The editor in chief thought it was fake, apparently people have done this as a scam in the past. It wasn't until he heard about the bombing he realized it was real.
Because how could some of the top senior officials be so incompetent to accidentally add him? At the time it seemed insane.
Yeah, I can understand that. If by some fluke (a mistyped phone number?) they had added me, I doubt that I would have done better in the two hours I had, but I'd also be lamenting the lost opportunity to warn people, rather than complain that someone else might have warned them.
Goldberg: ‘If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their [girlfriend's apartment building]’, as if that would be bad!
That's not a complaint, that's a legitimate concern. Could you imagine trying to explain to the media why we lost lives because they accidentally added a random to a private chat.
Remember they were hounding Hillary because she could have accidentally emailed something like this to the wrong person
Not lost lives, saved lives. If I'm reading this correctly, they collapsed an apartment building, killing 53 people, one of whom was a Houthi officer. Even not counting him, and balancing this against downed pilots, that's about 50 lives saved. Hard to explain to the media, but true.
I understand that, but the quote you posted feels more like they were talking about a situation where they send our military straight into an enemy waiting for them in ambush because they texted their plans straight to them.
Not lamenting that someone could have evacuated the building.
Hey so this is a war crime or at least implies the significant possibility of one, right? The most obvious interpretation is the US just blew up a civilian building with people inside it in order to kill 1 guy. Last I checked that's a war crime, yeah?
You’re right, and that’s something I overlooked, however… there is a chance that this was legitimately the lowest casualty level possible (e.g. if he was otherwise only in more dense areas) but I’m sceptical anyway.
I don’t know much about the person other than he was a Houthi deputy leader.
Oh yeah, that's an extremely blatant war crime
Not shocking given the US's history, but it's really disturbing seeing them talk about blowing up an apartment building and killing civilians like it's just a thing
"See it wasn't a civilian building, it was a terrorist base where they kept civilians hostage so we wouldn't bomb it." Is exactly how they will spin it. It's the same mental gymnastics to excuse Israel, and what we did in Afghanistan.
They hate them all and see them as something other than human beings. If you oppose them, you also are on that list. There is no reasoning with an entity that only values power, either you beat them or they keep coming for more.
Oh yeah, they always fucking do this shit. They fucking bomb entire cities in west asia and come up with some absurd fucking story about everything conveniently run by "terrorists"
The part that'll never stop sickening me is how quick people are to just run with it
Why do they talk like they're in a cheesy action movie where America's the 'only one that can save the planet'?
Also, we Europeans don't take offense to being called pathetic, it's hilarious coming from that mess of an administration.
Honestly, they probably were all raised on those kinds of movies and think that it is all correct. I don't know if they're aware we don't actually live in a movie.
A few years ago: If this had been a movie everyone would had said “this is completely unrealistic, no group of top leaders of any nation would be that stupid and cheesy”.
Well, the Trump regime lowers the bar for what’s possible every single day.
I'm not an expert but an exact timeline of events before they happened seems like it should be Top Secret. Looking forward to the next hearings & how they try to explain this away. If they allege The Atlantic violated the Espionage Act it's also an admission of guilt on their part.
They all lied under oath yesterday. Woooow if I’m on that committee, I’m demanding they come in and testify again at 11AM this morning and if they don’t appear or if they lie again, ARREST. THEM.
That almost certainly would have been classified at the time at CENTCOM, and I strongly doubt Hegseth took the proper action to declassify it before sharing.
And all the "officials" on that chat still deny the contents on these pages. Tulsa Gabbard a particular disappointment to me. She at least at one time had a semblance of honor. Long gone.
In a normal time, with competant cabinet officials, this would be Top Secret/SCI and everyone on the chat would know it. And it would be communicated using secure devices, on a controlled communications network
But all of that would mean these messages would be preserved intentionally and appropriately under the presidential records act. They were trying to skirt that. This wasn’t incompetence, it was subterfuge.
Because to them it really isn’t about who they are bombing, just the optics and spin they can put on it to manipulate public perception and other governments.
They even took a minute to blame Biden for something that was happening all through the first Trump presidency. That is an impressive level of brainwashing.
Absolutely phenomenal reporting guys, this is gonna win a Pilitizer.
The US Administration has shot themselves in the foot and they look like absolute amateurs now.
Well done
The Trump-appointed CIA director telling a congressional committee that it would be OK for the Atlantic to publicly name the CIA officer — and then the CIA privately writing to the Atlantic to ask them to not. Lmfao (and not publishing the name is the right thing here to be clear)
Wow, JD Vance is such a sniveling little nerd. I apologize for the imagery but: Big Virgin "We shouldn't do this because it will help Europe" Vance vs Chad "A win is a win, kill 'em all" Trump.
Though i suspect Trump ultimately just wants to do military stuff for the hell of it.
Did you notice the guys in that “small group” called out their names and what department they were representing. That’s their SOP (standard operating procedure). I’d bet money they have those kind of small group chats for every operation.
Yes, that part is normal. Takes place on both government (good) and non-government (less good) platforms. The issue was (1.) the journalist being added (2.) classified or sensitive-but-unclassified information being put in the group chat, and (3.) disappearing messages being on so no recordkeeping.
That they’ve so normalized using Signal that they’re following SOP while they do so is the point. It would be like them following SOP for using a SCIF, except they were just using a staff lounge in a federal bldg.
Yes. And they way they did it demonstrates they have a protocol in place and point men in each department. This is their standard operating procedure. They do this often enough over that platform that they have a standard operating procedure. I bet there’s are actual written binders
the text prior says "Please provide the best staff POC (point of contact) for your team"
All of this is shady bullshit, but heads of departments having an underling whose job it is to get their attention for important shit is pretty standard even when you're NOT doing shady shit
I’m not saying it’s not normal for them to do that. I’m saying it’s SO NORMALIZED to use Signal that they using Standard Operating Procedures while they do so. That’s the point.
Imagine if they decided to follow the standard operating procedures for a SCIF, only they were using the staff lounge as a stand in for the SCIF. It’s WILD, and demonstrates how normalized that process has become to them.
Hegeseth is ChatGPT'd to shit. This all seems extremely fake, not as in, wasn't actually written, but as in, they knew they were sending it to the press.
Agree. I’m euphoric that these motherfuckers are being exposed, but nauseated at their level of diabolical hubris and glib voyeur glee -with prayer emojis.
They don't care about all the civilians they're killing. Why would they care about service members they've repeatedly demonstrated they see as cannon fodder?
For all the fear these three letter agencies inspire, apparently they're easy enough to defeat if you do something like "get elected while being rich and sociopathic"
What about people who reenlisted under Biden and didn’t know how bad this was going to go? Service members frequently choose to serve for apolitical reasons (I served under Trump’s first term specifically for the GI bill). They’re victims of an incompetent administration.
I’m not disputing that but that doesn’t change the fact that these idiots are willfully endangering the country and service members with their sloppiness and incompetence. Most people who join at least expect a bare minimum level of care from their superiors and this has violated even that.
It’s of course a tragedy — and the administration have absolutely zero compassion or sensitivity at the lives lost — but with how many lives are being lost or disrupted because of the Houthis, I find it difficult to feel very sympathetic here.
I think it's wrong to level a residential apartment building full of civilians but I recognize my view on this is at odds with the majority of Americans.
I had the same thought when they talked about it being exciting to watch in the theater. It's all just a game to them. They aren't joking when they outright call everyone NPCs. Nobody else is real in any way that matters to them.
I don't play many fps or military-style games but I would imagine if the developers were going for realism, they would refer to active combat zones as a theater.
I was half expecting to read a bunch of gg's wp's and f yeah's after the strikes were confirmed.
War is not a game and even if a leader is willingly attacking, it's usually a last resort/necessity, not a pleasurable experience.
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I feel sorry for the people in the US.
And yeah f*ck you, we hate you too.
If it wasn't for Europe, you wouldn't even exist, f*cking morons.
Because how could some of the top senior officials be so incompetent to accidentally add him? At the time it seemed insane.
Remember they were hounding Hillary because she could have accidentally emailed something like this to the wrong person
Not lamenting that someone could have evacuated the building.
Now, even *if* there was no other option (and so it would be lawful) than bombing his girlfriend’s house, the insensitivity is remarkable.
I don’t know much about the person other than he was a Houthi deputy leader.
Not shocking given the US's history, but it's really disturbing seeing them talk about blowing up an apartment building and killing civilians like it's just a thing
The part that'll never stop sickening me is how quick people are to just run with it
Also, we Europeans don't take offense to being called pathetic, it's hilarious coming from that mess of an administration.
Well, the Trump regime lowers the bar for what’s possible every single day.
Oops.
#DOUBLEPLUS
#UNCLEAN
#OPSEC
Helping Europe is in the negative column?
Girlfriend's building, not house...
No urgent need..
it was done for pr..
The answer is Europe needs security due to wars that the US and UK axis caused
No trust in professional working life is more serious and SACRED in this nation than the trust earned with a clearance.
To have the highest echelons of power in America treat it in this manner is beyond farcical.
IT.
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ATTACK.
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TRUST.
ITSELF.
If, as they claim, it was *not* classified, why did tulsi say, on occasion, that she couldn't answer because of security reasons???
SO....yeah....
Marco had 2 devices.. who had the other one?
What about the fact that there are 19 people in this group? That seems like a lot.
PS I never want to hear another word about "her emails" again.
Then the bomb timing and resolution
Holy fuckballs.
This is a serious breach.
FIRE THEM ALL
FIRE THEM NOW
Then charge them.
The US Administration has shot themselves in the foot and they look like absolute amateurs now.
Well done
And that The Atlantic still maintained anonymity of the CIA chief of staff.
(btw these had to be personal phones, so not just questionable app security, but also device security)
Can be (and probably should be) downrated afterwards.
Though i suspect Trump ultimately just wants to do military stuff for the hell of it.
"You've got this senior level of individuals communicating on this non-classified channel & plain sloppiness put a journalist on & nobody bothered to check who's this other person on the line."
https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5340738/virginia-senator-interview-war-plans-signal-leak
All of this is shady bullshit, but heads of departments having an underling whose job it is to get their attention for important shit is pretty standard even when you're NOT doing shady shit
Denying it three times only to have receipts show up. Love it.
Including trump & vance?
Apparently didn't stop him.
The chance of any of these people seeing consequences is not great.
He just cares about foreign oligarchs who pay him bribes, and fake-tit bimbos at MAL.
They're bringing down whole apartment buildings full of innocents to kill one guy.
Even under Obama they were doing shady shit to hide how many civilians were killed.
For context here, the Houthi’s slogan is “God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse be upon the Jews, Victory to Islam”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theater_(warfare)
War is not a game and even if a leader is willingly attacking, it's usually a last resort/necessity, not a pleasurable experience.