It’s perfectly okay to say that BOTH 1)Joe Biden was wrong to pardon his son; and, 2)Donald Trump is BY FAR the most corrupt, dishonest, & lawless person to ever sit in the White House.
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Now Trump will pardon every J6 domestic terrorist.
Garland’s refusal to immediately arrest & prosecute Donald Trump for dereliction of duty alone has set a dangerous precedent that will be incredibly difficult to reverse.
The next 4 years under Trump will accelerate America’s descent even faster.
The Pardon saves us all from four years of smug Pam Bondi press conferences crowing about the Hunter prosecution. That is well worth any potential downside.
Biden is a good man who has already lost a son, daughter and wife. We all know they will go after him for political revenge. Leave him be, and let’s focus on the real dangers that lie ahead.
That is actually how I feel. Joe Biden was wrong in his decision to pardon Hunter. Trump being much worse in every way doesn’t take away from Biden being wrong. It is human nature to want to compare and there is NO comparison between the moral compass of Biden and Trump. Trump is MUCH worse!
Stop trying to convince us that Biden was wrong. He was not. Because of #2 President Biden chose #1.
If you can't see this then maybe you really don't believe #2 is true.
Anymore, who do we impress by acting with character and ethics? What is the downside of granting favors to friends and family? 10 years ago, this would have looked awful. Now it's just meh.
Biden still has character and ethics. He's not "granting favors to friends & family." His son was persecuted out of line with any supposed sins because of who he was, and he's now getting a pardon for the same reason.
I've been saying for months he needs to pardon Hunter, and I'm glad he did it.
Likewise, it's perfectly okay to say that both: 1) Hunter Biden is a trainwreck; and, 2) Joe was correct in pardoning him and saving him from the bullshit about to come his way.
I don’t always agree with you Joe. But I think your voice is typically one of reason and sanity and appreciate you speaking up and speaking out. Sorry folks flamed you for having a different opinion than I do about Hunter’s pardon. We should be able to agree to disagree here on BlueSky.
It’s about time Biden did something to help his son who would never have had these charges brought if his name wasn’t Biden! All the pearl clutching when we have a felon and rapist being sworn in as President is a joke!
The more we criticize Biden,the stronger we make Trump.We went after Biden,RELENTLESSLY,for four years.The left and the right.I truly believe that’s why Trump was re-elected.That constant criticism is why Biden’s approval rating stayed low!
The Democratic Party hasn't understood that there is a time and place for pure loyalty. They are always fighting each other and navel gazing. It's pathetic.
I actually wonder if the Biden, Harris, Waltz and Clinton families should leave US soil. Whats coming soon is not going to be normal. Four years ago there was a noose on the White House lawn. It's about to get big ugly and there's nothing to stop it. Half this country voted for it, in fact.
Go read Barbara McQuade and Katie Phang on the issue.
Then watch From Russia with Lev and you will see that it was all a ploy to take out Biden. For Biden to help his son heal from what was the darkest moment in his life is a gift to Joe. He did it for himself as much as he did it for Hunter.
He’s 81 years old. He’s lost 2 children and a wife. He watched members of Congress humiliate him with nude photos. He was vilified because he was Biden’s son. There was a plea. But that wasn’t good enough for Republicans. He’s also protecting him from the vindictive pricks that would be Trump & Co.
It’s perfectly ok to admit that you are a grifter with zero moral compass. You try to persuade us with your outrage but in reality you are a man with no home, just trying to figure out how to make a paycheck off clicks.
He wasn't wrong, though. The cases brought against Hunter Biden were 100% politically motivated, shouldn't have been brought. And even when they were brought, he had a plea deal in place that the GOP congress literally pressured the judge & special counsel to back out on.
Number 1 doesn't happen if not for number 2. Stay mad as long as you want. Your anger is misplaced though. Donald Trump ruined this country. The institutions meant to protect Americans from him failed us. I hope Biden pardons every the God King has threatened. The American people spoke, crime is in.
I think you skipped a few lessons that life you should've taught you by now. Morally incongruent. Joe Biden gave countless, selfless hours to this country. He's leaving public service & realizes the perils ahead with a convicted felon in WH. He chose family over country because MAGA wins this time.
If John Q Public wrote a book revealing he had bought a gun and owned it for 11 days while under the influence of drugs, he would never have even been investigated.
Biden is correct that his son was the victim of political prosecution. That deserves a pardon.
You are way too hung up on this. Please resume normal operations. Smok'em, if you got 'em. All the Biden Crime Family thrashing about by mostly Republicans needs to be done with. This is one flea on a dogs butt.
I don't think Joe pardoning his son is wrong.
I think it is fair.
No one else would have faced the punishment Hunter faced for the same crimes.
I've heard several attorneys speak on this issue and they have all said if it was Hunter Smith (not Biden), this would have been OVER a long time ago.
Brilliant swipe at Trump. Trump and his supporters have been crying that he’s the victim of “lawfare”.
In Joe Biden’s statement, he clearly pointed out that it was he and his family who have been the subjects of politically motivated investigations and prosecution.
And who’s behind those? Trump.
If it was your son, jailed by selective prosecution to harass you, then facing the prospect of being Epsteined by a corrupt administration, you would pardon him in a heartbeat.
Disagree on 1. Yes if a normal pre MAGA republican was taking over Jan 20th then the pardon was probably wrong. With Trump taking over and the Bondi/Patel appointments it’s completely justified. They were going to continue to attack Hunter and weaponize the DOJ. Trump has said as much.
There are no parallels to be drawn here. Hunter should never have been charged to begin with, given the history of cases similar to his. Joe held off, so as not to interfere with DOJ (a concern Trump has never had.) Given the retributive intent of the incoming DOJ, Joe did exactly the right thing.
As a French canadien, I have sooo many swear words that I could use about the Trump/republican party to express my disgust that it’s not even funny 🤬🤦♀️
To make matters worse, the pardon covers a blanket 11 year period. This is way more than just a gun and tax charges. Totally enables Trump. You are right on this one
Yes and Trump never heard of Project 2025 until he started putting the authors into his cabinet! We expect this from Trump. Well bravo to Biden for his change of heart!
The only thing that will be remembered out of this whole ordeal is that Biden, his administration, many Democrat politicians and the legacy media lied again to Americans. And they have the audacity to complain about misinformation
I personally don’t care much about the pardon but I’m annoyed that Biden has been so strict about “norms” and “propriety” when it comes to doing anything that could actually protect our democracy but he’s fine with doing something that looks improper if it’s to help his own family.
If there was a dislike button here, youd get plenty, Joe👎
No, its not ok to compare potatoes with a pile of shit. Too bad you don't understand a thing. Let me chew it for you: Hunter was relentlessly prosecuted with the threats to continue it because of who his father is. Capiche?
That's the reason reps won. Reps stand unwaveringly behind their orange dear leader, no matter how absurd, offensive, or outright insane his behavior or statements are. Meanwhile, spineless Dems and creatures like you, seem quick to turn on their own president and put shit all over him.
Shame!
For some reason, the song Spanish Train came to my mind here. To hell with being the nice guys, I’d pardon everyone Trump is likely to target, throw everything we have to Ukraine and pass environmental laws they can’t mess with. I understand your point of view, but I’m tired of this rigged game.
It was wrong for the Judge ignore the plea agreement in place. If he wasn’t the son of the President, it would have been fines, which both the Prosecutor and Hunter Biden agreed to.
Compared to the felons and sexual deviants Trump is placing in government positions a pardon for his son who filled out a gun document poorly and paid the back taxes he owed is nothing. It’s about time Biden did something to stop the hypocrisy.
It’s not true, though. Biden did not pardon Hunter for corrupt reasons. Why do you refuse to acknowledge it, and instead insist that this is a “both sides” situation?
Which is EXACTLY why Biden should have pardoned Hunter. Under normal circumstances he would never have done it and YOU know it! Trump and his entire cabinet picks are corrupt to the core and he is making the DOJ and FBI HIS! Biden is protecting his family from a bullshit nightmare.
I agree optics don’t look good for Biden to pardon his son but from what I have read if Hunter was “Joe Smith” he wouldn’t have been charged. Biden’s family has been thru enough. Also I don’t trust Trump not to be a vindictive prick if Hunter went to prison. Trump is the one who should be sentenced!
in normal times, i would agree 100%. these times are far from normal. my humble opinion is that he should have waited until january and included his pardon along with the others
When you consider Trump pardoned cronies & henchmen & has now made his daughter's felon father-in-law Ambassador to France makes President Biden pardoning his son a small blip in comparison.
I also think it’s perfectly okay to say that this issue will be a good test of this social media site. Is Bluesky a place where people can listen to differing opinions and not flame out or unfollow. So far…so good from what I have read.
How 'bout this Joe: It's perfectly okay if Biden changed his mind about pardoning his son in view of the ungodly rhetoric coming out of trump's mouth, instead of blasting Biden for being a liar.
Didn't someone once talk about criticizing the speck of dust in someone's eye when you had a plank of wood in their own? Can't recall who said that but I think it was someone conservatives used to listen to...
I don’t think it was wrong for Hunter to get a pardon when the government had made a deal with him and at the last minute changed their minds. Trump pardoned much worse
My take is of course you must pardon someone that was targeted by the enemy ("corrupt, dishonest, and lawless") from within, with charges that would never be brought against anyone not named Hunter Biden. Appeasing the enemy is not the way to go. This is a fight for our Republic.
You know what? We don’t have to defend Biden pardoning his son. He did and it was great in my opinion. Let’s move on to other issues that are far more important.
Yeah, you’re right about Trump. Fuck the people who don’t like Biden’s choice to pardon his son. He’s an old man and time is running out to spend with his boy. Trump thinks he’ll live forever….
You can not like the pardon optically, but it's Constitutional. Would you object to the pardon if it was not a family member or is it just that it's Hunter?
I’m cheering on the pardon but I think some say Biden is going back on his word that he won’t pardon his son. My thing is that things can change, people say a lot of things during a campaign and this is a minor scandal.
Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. If there was an incoming Harris admin, I would agree with you. However, with the incoming $hitshow, Hunter would be unfairly punished while Trump is handing out pardons to violent criminals. I agree with the decision to pardon Hunter.
I would also argue that all journalists that ever reported anything negative about Trump and whistleblowers, such as Vindman should get a blanket pardon, because of all the threats that is already circulating by Trump officials.
There was a deal made with Hunter, and the Republicans freaked out. Every single lawyer I admire said no one else would have been charged with the same crime.
I see no reason for Biden to allow his son to be continually prosecuted to own the libs. Hunter was prosecuted for over 5yrs by a politically motivated SC appointed by Trump — whose only other cases were
lost in jury trials at a cost of millions—and who pursued Hunter in cases that would have been consolidated or not brought when restitution was made. Family members were required to testify against him.
The prosecutions were designed to break him or worse
And it’s okay to support his decision. Trump and his sycophants are going to pursue Hunter even more ruthlessly. I 100% back the President on this one.
It was wrong to prosecute Hunter so aggressively for something the average civilian would have been given a relatively light slap on the wrist. They took this guy to the woodshed when most of us would have been given a finger wag, counseling, and community service.
I hope President Biden has a long list of pardons coming up. Trump has a long list of people he wants to go after. It will be perfectly ok for Biden to use his power to protect Americans.
He’s a father protecting his son - easy decision. I’d trade my own life for either of my kids - so if this tarnishes Biden’s legacy - oh well. I would have done it sooner. We are no longer operating under normal circumstances. It’s okay for us to disagree on this.
Thanks Joe for kindly explaining to all of us dummies what is perfectly OK to say and what isn’t. I appreciate that you turned on Trump, but you are a real condescending dope.
Jaysus, you’re really obsessing about this aren’t you…Time to go out for a walk with the dog again? How long are you going to keep this up in view of the fact that you can’t change anything after the fact?
overall....Hunter was offered a fair plea deal and the GOP based on politics attacked him. He payed back his taxes, and the gun charge is something that never gets charged. I think he should have been pardoned on the taxes and had his gun charge granted clemency.
1) wrong
2) correct
I think Biden could have directly said in his statement that he changed his mind, acknowledging he said he wouldn't. But besides that, I totally support this pardon.
You know Donald was going to go after Hunter once he got back in office not only would Hunter not be safe in prison he doesn't belong there based on the this being a minor non-violent offense that is almost never prosecuted
Biden was wrong to run for POTUS again. Everything else is superflouous. All other POTUS have made questionable pardons. Both Biden and RBG will be remembered for having their accomplishments being overshadowed by lingering too long and allowing rot to fester into a disease.
If Joe was going to be president again, I don’t think he would have.
If Trump wasn’t getting away with all he is getting away with, I don’t think he would have. Think about it, Joe. I’m glad he did it.
I’m glad he did it. Hunter has paid far higher of a price than he deserved but you have a right to have your own opinion. I’ve appreciated your pov on multiple other fronts.
It’s also perfectly ok to say Biden is playing by the rules SCOTUS and MAGA established and the country voted for and Joe Biden is right to pardon his son.
No problem with Joe pardoning Hunter. It’s way past time for the Democrats to play by republican’s rules. The idea that Dems have to abide by certain “ rules” while Republicans obliterate the same rules must end.
I like & respect you for understanding that your former party is absolutely insane, & agree that it's ok to say it's wrong, but it is factually not wrong at all. @walshfreedom.bsky.social
Joe had to protect Hunter from whoever becomes FBI head.
I just don’t know.
If you look at who Trump is nominating for AG and FBI, as well as his history/promises to pursue rivals, would you let your son be the scapegoat?
It is wrong what Biden did under normal conditions.
Or you could relate to a father helping a son whose problems would never have received such wide publicity were it not for Republicans seeking to attack an opposition president.
BS, Joe. It was NOT wrong for Biden to save his son. You know what would have awaited him, should he have gone to prison. Some maggot would have made short work of him.
Up until recently, I havr. After this election, fuck no. I'm sick of the horse shit games, played by the filthy magats. Expect me to go harder into it.
No it’s not perfectly okay to say that bc he was not wrong to pardon Hunter! People like you are the problem. Not the same and you damn well know it. Go back to Twitter/X.
For far too many people, if you aren't 100% on message for their side you are an Enemy.
Debate and disagreement are the lifeblood of democracies, the downfall of dictatorships.
You are correct. But I ask you, Joe, how do you deal with the MAGA people? Do you play the game going by the rules or do you play by the rules that the opposing party plays by?
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Garland’s refusal to immediately arrest & prosecute Donald Trump for dereliction of duty alone has set a dangerous precedent that will be incredibly difficult to reverse.
The next 4 years under Trump will accelerate America’s descent even faster.
If you can't see this then maybe you really don't believe #2 is true.
I've been saying for months he needs to pardon Hunter, and I'm glad he did it.
Then watch From Russia with Lev and you will see that it was all a ploy to take out Biden. For Biden to help his son heal from what was the darkest moment in his life is a gift to Joe. He did it for himself as much as he did it for Hunter.
He was not wrong.
2. I agree with you on.
If John Q Public wrote a book revealing he had bought a gun and owned it for 11 days while under the influence of drugs, he would never have even been investigated.
Biden is correct that his son was the victim of political prosecution. That deserves a pardon.
I think it is fair.
No one else would have faced the punishment Hunter faced for the same crimes.
I've heard several attorneys speak on this issue and they have all said if it was Hunter Smith (not Biden), this would have been OVER a long time ago.
In Joe Biden’s statement, he clearly pointed out that it was he and his family who have been the subjects of politically motivated investigations and prosecution.
And who’s behind those? Trump.
No, its not ok to compare potatoes with a pile of shit. Too bad you don't understand a thing. Let me chew it for you: Hunter was relentlessly prosecuted with the threats to continue it because of who his father is. Capiche?
Shame!
1) Biden was NOT wrong.
2) No argument with that.
2) The fact that this bothers you so much is weird.
The prosecutions were designed to break him or worse
F Trump.
Why it's so hard to be righteous when the case is about your party? I don't want the democracy to decay.
2) correct
I think Biden could have directly said in his statement that he changed his mind, acknowledging he said he wouldn't. But besides that, I totally support this pardon.
If Trump wasn’t getting away with all he is getting away with, I don’t think he would have. Think about it, Joe. I’m glad he did it.
Biden changed his mind to take the MAGA & Media heat.
Respect for @joebidenbsky.bsky.social!
If he hadn't Trump would will be swift like Putin & Hunter would be first for the new reality MAGA TV show trial.
Joe had to protect Hunter from whoever becomes FBI head.
It's about retribution & revenge for MAGAts now.
If you look at who Trump is nominating for AG and FBI, as well as his history/promises to pursue rivals, would you let your son be the scapegoat?
It is wrong what Biden did under normal conditions.
But this is an abnormal situation.
Debate and disagreement are the lifeblood of democracies, the downfall of dictatorships.