Is mine blowing that something that has worked so well for so long as being threatened by a brainwarmed idled buffoon. And God if it's in your power please make sure RFK Jr gets polio in the worst debilitating possible way before you have to judge him and cast him into hell where he belongs
Rotary International and your local Rotary Club never forgot about Polio. They have worked for years to eliminate it from every corner of the globe. But I can't help wondering how many Rotarians voted for trump.
That’s the problem with all public health successes. People forget that kids died (and still do) from measles and whooping cough, and that before pasteurization up to 50% of infants died from TB and diphtheria in raw milk. That’s our future.
Sometimes the newbie’s want to take the credit away from their predecessors. Where I worked the newcomers would rewrite software with minor changes in order to be the new name without doing much. I think this is the same thing.
It's time God got to work and fired off a few well placed lightning bolts. I mean if God can make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights, why not just a couple of quick bolts of lightning? Zap that worm out of Kennedy's head!
If you want to stick it to the State by opting not to get vaccinated, then you shouldn’t mind if the State sticks it back to you by opting to deny you care if you catch the disease you could have avoided.
I know this sounds silly, but will they still be available? The vaccines? I’ve seen a lot of rhetoric that ‘mandated’=‘available’ and that’s not always the case.🧚
We’ve been desensitized to the word, but I’ll never be desensitized to the actual evil. I’m still rooting for a ‘designated survivor’ scenario when 47 is in place. If that makes ME evil, I’ll take it.
The very powerful on the right want the populace to be worried about eradicated diseases again.
Cos if you're concentrating on that, you're distracted from the other really bad stuff they're doing.
RFK Jr’s lawyer has asked the FDA to pull its authorization for the polio vaccine. In practical terms, that would mean it was no longer certified as safe and effective and would be pulled from the market within the US and territories. And/or make it so insurance can NOT pay for it.
He has been part of the pseudo-intellectual anti-vaccine movement here for 25 years or so. All of this stems from that abysmal Lancet piece that lied about a link to autism. That study was retracted and its author lost his medical license in the UK due to bad science.
Until 2019, that movement was relegated to the fringe. Then, Americans decided that taking basic, if annoying, precautions vis a vis masks and vaccines was suddenly tyranny. These were the same people pushing fake cures for COVID. Him included.
the polio vaccine is not patented or proprietary. get rid of it, reintroduce it, and the company that does so has both for 20 years of obscene profits. (If i have this wrong, I do ask someone correct me).
Charles Darwin’s theory of “survival of the fittest” wasn’t just referring to the biggest or strongest of a species but also the most clever and intelligent. Those who are dumb enough to believe antivax nonsense are most certain to prove Charles Darwin’s theory correct.
The first question Trump’s antivax health agency nominees should be asked in their confirmation hearings is, “Are you vaccinated?” RFK Jr was born at a time vaccinations were mandatory to attend public school. It’s a little peculiar being told vaccines are bad by someone who is vaccinated.
From Google: “…all states have vaccine-related laws that pertain to children before they go to school. Some states require certain vaccines. Other states allow county public health boards to decide which vaccines are required.”
God didnt you inspire us by giving edward jenner the miracle of vaccinations. Could you talk to some people about making him a saint please.
St. Jenner Of the cures sounds nice.
No #Polio #vaccination? We won't be #1 just yet, but soon we would be the third!!
Wild poliovirus (WPV) type 1 (WPV1) circulation continues in #Afghanistan as well as in neighboring #Pakistan, the two remaining countries with ongoing endemic WPV #transmission. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7349a4.htm
This type of thing happened with rhubarb leaves. Conventional wisdom held that the leaves were dangerous but due to WWI food shortages, the British government suggested consuming them. The resultant deaths confirmed the conventional wisdom. With polio, RFK stands conventional wisdom on its head.
The act of petitioning a federal agency to revoke serves 2 purposes. It outrages all sensible people. But the part we’re missing and the most important part is WHO IS GOING TO PROFIT? Is there a new manufacturer with a revamped polio vaccine waiting? Is anyone investigating this?
Health insurance companies will make bank on this nonsense. Vaccines are cheap & effective. Hospitalization, on the other hand, is expensive and risky.
If you think Kennedy should not be confirmed, tell your senators. It only takes a few minutes and best of all..doesn't cost any money.
We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate. https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
Rotary International has spend decades trying to eradicate Polio worldwide. I was a member of a local Rotary Club for more than 20 years, and we were so very close to the goal. Will that international effort now be forced to turn its efforts here at its home nation, instead? It's shameful.
lol, like that time he got jealous of someone else’s medical condition getting media attention and decided to announce his brain worms when no one asked lol
The reasoning behind RFK Jr's attack on the polio vaccine:
The NRA wants something other than guns to be the number one killer of children in our country. They told Trump and Trump told RFK Jr. to take care of that.
If he knew the scientific facts he'd know that the dead virus vaccine used in the United States is totally safe. It is the much less expensive weakened live virus vaccines used in some other countries that have caused problems.
I have a friend from a third world country. He had polio when he was 2. He has small legs with no muscles. The only way he can walk is with kafo braces on his legs and crutches. The US has been through one polio epidemic. We can’t go through another one. How could this be happening?
I still care for victims of polio who contracted it before the vaccine was available. I’m 56 and I grew up with victims of polio. It wasn’t eradicated in the US until 1979. The virus is still out there and all it’ll take is one case to set us back 50 years. What’s next? 😡
It’ll only get worse if Kennedy gets in there. We’ve had 16 outbreaks this year in the US, counting 280+ cases. Those who are young, immunocompromised, or unvaccinated are at great risk. America needs to remember the last epidemic & how many died, mostly children.
Two of my first cousins got polio in 1955, right before the vaccine came out. One of them lost permanent use of his arm. He died in his 50s when his polio came back.
Thought, never mind if we don't want you, that's just holidays. What if the illegals who work as slave labour decide it's the final straw, not worth dying for, and don't come? Who does those jobs then?
I remember a time when I didn't swear. Proper vocabulary was all that was necessary for me to communicate my thoughts and feelings. Trump et al changed that.
Right now, he’s just a citizen. How do we go about vocalize that he has no right to sue about this? He has no right to interfere with our public health.
Doesn't it have to with legal standing, where the party bringing the action must demonstrate harm done to them by this law?
I can show harm to me, if they allow diseases to run wild and hurt my livelihood. Should I counter-sue?
I understand that, but he’s presuming to speak for the majority who want to continue vaccinations. I know very little about our legal system, but if someone sues the government to changes policy, but he’s in the minority…what can we do?
The worm ate his brain and now people have to pay for it? I swear this country has lost its mind thinking a return to the chaos of a failed game show host would made people believe that electing him out of manufactured fear would somehow make things better.
My mother had polio. She was the only one who walked out of the polio ward--most of the rest died. She was a lucky one and has had spine problems her entire life. Fuck these people.
There are over 50 million americans who were alive prior to the availability of the vaccine for Polio. Where is your outrage for policies that will put your grandchildren and great-grandchildren at risk?
That’s a good description of what’s going on. We’ve had this anti-vaccine movement hanging around for years on the fringes but Trump has mainstreamed it to a degree. The inner-stupid has been unleashed.
It might not be that they forgot but that they are willfully ignorant.
From the party that cried boohoo about vaccines and mask wearing, rationalizing that it was their right to choose. If you don’t believe in vaccines, don’t get one. But don’t tell me I can’t vaccinate myself or my own children.
As a child in the UK in the 70s I remember older family and neighbours etc who had disabilities caused by polio . Who would have thought we could want to go back to that ?
Sort of like how some humans forgot the Holocaust happened, or decided to deny it happened, & that's a problem. What with the preparing of "camps" in Texas.
No because infants can’t recieve the vaccination until 2 months old. Every child no matter their background under 2 months old, and anyone beyond that unvaccinated are at risk.
Put another way:
The court of Donald Trump don't want to end vaccinations, they want to end publicly funded vaccination programs.
They'll pay to have their own kids vaccinated privately while not funding other people's vaccinations.
That is not what asking the FDA to pull the vaccine will achieve. It will end the polio vaccine. What you’re saying would make sense if they were approaching it from the Medicare/medicaid side. They want the infants that aren’t allowed to be aborted to die in infancy instead.
No.
They're removing it as a "public health" issue.
Mark my words; these vaccines will still be able to those who can pay - those who can't are being abandoned to suffer the consequences.
And believe me, this is about money because getting money is all the court of Donald Trump thinks about.
Touché! Was more thinking that polio never discriminated between rich and poor. But FDR is not evidence of that because, as you rightly point out, no one had access bc it wasn’t released yet.
You're right to say disease does not discriminate between rich & poor, but when treatment is dependent on the ability to pay the consequences of disease surely as hell discriminates.
I wonder how long FDR would've survived were he a 39 year old labourer contracting poliomyelitis‽
During Covid I asked my MIL about her memories of polio. She remembered her parents not letting her play with her friends in the summer. She said everyone lined up at the courthouse after church to be vaxxed. Ironically, I did a 2019 thread on Polio at the Bad Place. I think it's fascinating:
@GodPod.bsky.social Irony at its finest! We've become victims of our own success. Perhaps a vaccine for forgetfulness should be next? #RememberToRemember
Surely just because that clown 🤡 has asked, doesn’t mean the have to do it. I remember people in the sixties who walked with callipers because of polio. You never see anyone like that now.
Recent research has shown that lead is responsible for many cognitive disorders, not vaccines. It's believed to have caused 150 million cases in the US.
It also makes sense that certain people blame vaccines, because they can sort of control if and how they’re exposed to them; they can see it happening. With lead it is a whole other ballgame:
In older houses, pre-1990, the lead is in your paint on the walls. The off-gassing permeates your house. The soil around your house is contaminated from leaded gas (everywhere in the US). Gun ranges, small propeller aircraft, and racing tracks are highly toxic to this day.
But it is a thing right, not the whole story. Or is it not at all? How would you say this will play out? If they stop vaccines for Polio, or other diseases?
I’m not a doctor at all, just always read that once vaccination rates drop below somewhere in the mid 90% range leads to breakthrough cases and loss of herd immunity. The idea is that a vaccine protects everyone not just the recipient. Because it denies safe harbor for Polio to hide and grow
Yeah, and all Bitch McConnell said was that he “disagrees”. I’m in KY, going to start calling his office (and fake doctor Rand Paul) and yelling at their voice mail daily until the useless fucks grow a spine.
I remember the polio vaccines on the sugarcubes inside the white paper cups on the big folding tables...we all lined up on a sunny Saturday morning at our local school lunch room in California in the 60s...We knew we were doing the right thing....period
Painfully true. Lots of discussion among gen z on why the boys went right and I've seen the take "too many regulations like environmental regulations and food regulations." Bitch what! Haven't figured out yet that government is never proactive, and these regulations came only after mass suffering.
A reminder, there was no polio vaccine until the late 1950s. Franklin Roosevelt was 29 years old, when he contracted polio and was a paraplegic the rest of his life. 29. This is what people are in for if they choose to ignore the past. You want to be a paraplegic all your life b/c of this stupidity?
Problem is....it is not about if you want the vaccine, he wants to make the vaccine illegal, so you do not even have the choice to vaccinate your kids. From abroad it is really astounding that you chose these people to be your next government. Crazy. Absolutely crazy people.
I don't know how some lawyers look at themselves in the mirror everyday. Whoever that guy/gal/firm is, and no matter how the FDA rules, that will be how that person/entity is remembered for long after they are dead and gone. What a total shit of a legacy to leave behind.
I'm not medically trained, but perhaps if someone who wanted to remove vaccines and the associated herd immunity was exposed to the illness that they seem to be so keen on spreading, or perhaps their children, this might reduce their urge to promote an illness
Of course he did. His father knew FDR who had polio and was a paraplegic. They also surely had other friends who had it because there was no vaccine til the late 50s and everyone knew about the polio ward in hospitals. You think Bobby Kennedy wanted his kids to catch polio? Heck no!
I recall someone discussing the way we were sliding backward on environmental regulation. They said "the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts are victims of their success." I _remember_ flying in to LA when the smog was so bad you couldn't see the ground. I remember when smog became a memory.
Oh the MAGA morons cheer deregulation. They don’t need clean air or water or safe food. They are the most stupid people on the planet and proud of it 🤬🤬
Even if this does happen, the vast majority of people would still get the polio vaccine and thereby continuing the success of the vaccine. What's wrong with incorporating freedom of choice if there is a 99% chance that nothing will change? I think that's a very logical compromise.
Hello anti-vaxxer. Herd immunity is real. Polio has been identified in the sewage of many highly religious populations, such as Hasidic Jewish populations in NY and Middle Eastern populations in other areas. International travel brings it back. Herd IMMUNITY. Study, learn.
Because if the FDA is forced to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine, it won't be available to anyone, so that will take away your freedom of choice.
Too many people editing out uncomfortable history from education. As if the job of history is to make us feel good. I grew up when it was said that knowing history keeps us from repeating our mistakes. Everything-slavery, the Holocaust, Naziism, pogroms, plagues-Polio, diseases before antibiotics, 🧵
Kennedy is an idiot and hellbent on bringing back all the deadly viruses, and anyone that supports him will be as culpable in killing and maiming people as he is.
Got polio in 1953. Still here today because of the vaccine. I thank God for Dr. Salk and Dr. Sabin. Never ever want to see another person suffer from this disease except RFK Jr.
the problem is a lot of people still think god is real and uses his "grand wisdom" as an excuse to do all kinds of things. perhaps it's time to outlaw religion altogether and make sky fairies illegal.
We live in the Age of Denialism. Amongst other factors politicians and corporations have eroded people's trust in institutions. In this case it has been corporations flooding the field with false science trying to avoid consequences for when they hurt consumers and science catches them.
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If Hitler had had the tools the modern fashion ists do, he'd have marched on London and Washington in a couple of months.
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To do so means withholding lifesaving vaccines that work from infants or unvaxxed adults.
These people don’t know what they don’t know, & aren’t smart enough to realize they don’t know.
And those are the most dangerous people.
Cos if you're concentrating on that, you're distracted from the other really bad stuff they're doing.
Or, was that your son?
St. Jenner Of the cures sounds nice.
Wild poliovirus (WPV) type 1 (WPV1) circulation continues in #Afghanistan as well as in neighboring #Pakistan, the two remaining countries with ongoing endemic WPV #transmission.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7349a4.htm
We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate.
https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
The NRA wants something other than guns to be the number one killer of children in our country. They told Trump and Trump told RFK Jr. to take care of that.
The virus still lurks among us.
They are a danger for humanity.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/robert-f-kennedy-jr-18659187.php
Red herring from tRumpCo.
What if first person we give reminder to is RFK Jnr.
Inject is straight into veins on national TV- all the diseases whose vaccine he wants to revoke.
If he lives, repeal. If he dies…well problem solved.
I can show harm to me, if they allow diseases to run wild and hurt my livelihood. Should I counter-sue?
From the party that cried boohoo about vaccines and mask wearing, rationalizing that it was their right to choose. If you don’t believe in vaccines, don’t get one. But don’t tell me I can’t vaccinate myself or my own children.
(And even if he hadn’t and it was true, is having a living autistic child worse than having one that died from measles, etc.? Wtf.)
"When we forget the infection
Will we remember the lesson?"
Vaccines are good
Fascism is bad
Oligarchs shouldn't exist
How many people need to die in this re-education cycle?
Check mate libs
This can only be because the wicked fuckwits have an expensive treatment that they’all wanna roll out for people
…For AFTER they’ve got polio
Just wondering..
@gordor97.bsky.social
The court of Donald Trump don't want to end vaccinations, they want to end publicly funded vaccination programs.
They'll pay to have their own kids vaccinated privately while not funding other people's vaccinations.
They're removing it as a "public health" issue.
Mark my words; these vaccines will still be able to those who can pay - those who can't are being abandoned to suffer the consequences.
And believe me, this is about money because getting money is all the court of Donald Trump thinks about.
It's about them saving on their taxes.
That's all the rich & selfish care about.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vaccination-timeline/vaccination-timeline-from-1796-to-present
I wonder how long FDR would've survived were he a 39 year old labourer contracting poliomyelitis‽
That isn't "working well".
We used to play that in the pool.
It also makes sense that certain people blame vaccines, because they can sort of control if and how they’re exposed to them; they can see it happening. With lead it is a whole other ballgame:
Of course, if he's been vaccinated, we can carry it out on his unvaccinated children and grandchildren.
Why should other people sacrifice their children to his whims and bad science?
Well, America... You're about to reap what you sew.
I still think he's got stock in some coffin manufacturing.