And if they do know what they’re doing, there inability to help people like me understand the narrative or the plan, when I’m supporting them, doesn’t bode well for changing minds of the skeptical or the hostile does it?
This is exactly what they were elected for. This is exactly what you voted for. You either wanted this or you were never attached to politics in the first place.
We need to build a movement to challenge Reform that doesn't include Labour scum. Would you support that?
No one wants reform to win next election, so it is unfortunate that Labour has chosen to throw the most vulnerable under the bus. It will push voters towards reform. When all parties offer the same, who or what do you vote for? End of the road for us all.
Point taken. There is no way I could ever support reform. What we need is either a coalition or proportional representation. Some way out of this madness.
Since the election I’ve been irritated by the constant hatred towards Labour. People on buses, family. 14 years of Tory misery and nobody made a peep. But this move against the poor and vulnerable, it’s too much. Just tax the very rich already, for the love of god.
Labour are a gang of right-wing racist scab bastards. People are correct to hate them. The question you have to ask yourself is why don't you hate them already?
I voted labour (naively) to ‘get the Tories out’ as they said… I fell for the propaganda. Of course the Tories would be just as bad, but I’d have felt personally better if I’d voted green/lib dem etc
Posting a screen shot of Labour manifesto under one of the dozens of opinion pieces about a policy which has yet to announced. The plan was always to get people back to work, hardly a “cruel trick”.
You know there was a genuine left wing movement a few years ago that would have taxed the rich and regenerated unions. The Guardian was part of the movement that cheered as Starmer overthrew them, purged them from the party and remained tight-lipped about the policies that he himself would enact.
The Tories left behind an economy on the precipice of bankruptcy. That salient fact should be highlighted every time there is criticism of those trying to put things back together again.
I don’t need the right wing to tell me anything. I do know there is finite access to money. Likewise I do know that the ‘rich’ can simply get on a plane and escape the reality of failing services.
So why repeat the lies of the right? The government prints money when it chooses to. The rich can leave if they want. But we can take their stuff. If we want. We have options. It is the right who are telling you we don't.
Yes. They are rich people. Fuck em. Take their stuff. Most people don't have enough stuff. Some people dont have any stuff. The rich have too much stuff. Take their stuff.
(For a more detailed explanation please see Thomas Piketty's book Capital in the Twenty-First Century, 2014)
Reform are going to come to the next election making material promises (paid for in blood) and all Labour will have to stand on is a legacy and promise of material degradation (paid for in blood).
They’re doing this to themselves entirely and they’re going to eat shit for it, blame Labour.
That's your solution? Don't ask Labour to do anything to resolve the underlying structural issues in society that enabled the rise of Reform because... then you'll get Reform. Especially don't voice criticism of them when they enact policies that make the situation worse!?
They’re pandering to people who would never vote for them whilst ensuring large numbers of their core voters will never vote for them again. Starmer is a strategic genius 🙄
Perhaps Labour have inherited an economy on the verge of collapse in the middle of the greatest international crisis in generations and are desperately trying to keep us afloat
Perhaps Labour are making it worse and also throwing my trans and disabled and Palestinian comrades under a bus (where they have also increased the fares) to appease fascists.
* Fine universities for “political bias”
* Ban teaching of “gender ideology” and “critical race theory”
* Abolish all diversity, equality and inclusion roles and regulations
* Leave European Convention on Human Rights
Things Labour have done that were not in their manifesto:
* Implemented discredited Cass report because they hate trans people
* Indicated they are going to further cut support for disabled people
* Not even publically said "please don't do that" in response to a genocide and war crimes.
Labour have done more to legitimise Reform than anyone else. They have adopted the Reform rhetoric (and even policies) on a whole bunch of things from immigration to trans rights to civil service cuts.
You already have a Reform government mate, and you voted for it.
It’s a very very difficult problem to solve
Financially the costs of supporting benefits need to be addressed. Primarily astronomical housing costs.
This aspect alone is a Herculean challenge. But that’s your best angle to reduce the benefits bill.
Well it needs funding from somewhere. Defence has been cut for 30 years, we urgently need to increase it, not decrease it. Taxation is now about as high as business will tolerate..
I don’t think they are really getting a fair crack now. Life is hard for people with disabilities. It does need change, but how?
And no, this is entirely to do with trump pulling the world’s economic trousers down.
This is the real challenge. Some can’t work- what’s the best thing for them and society? Supported volunteering?
Some can work but no one will employ them. This is to my mind the most challenging group. Can they be made more employable through skill acquisition?
And a small proportion won’t work.
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They weren’t elected for this, they were meant to bring the hope back.
I’ve nowhere else to go so I’ll just detach from politics altogether.
This is how the far right win power.
I naively thought that we were about to see a quiet transformation by people who knew what they were doing.
I am in a foul mood today so just moaning, but we really need massive change.
We need to build a movement to challenge Reform that doesn't include Labour scum. Would you support that?
Farage has charisma and promises to improve people's lives.
Starmer has some ugly ties a billionaire bought him and promises cruelty and suffering.
reform are scum but at least they're pretending they care about ppl. labour just straight up want ppl dead and are making jokes about it on the news.
The salient fact is that Labour wants to do these cuts because they benefit their rich friends who buy them nice presents.
(For a more detailed explanation please see Thomas Piketty's book Capital in the Twenty-First Century, 2014)
labour have explicitly said these cuts have nothing to do with the economy.
Will you be happy then?
They’re doing this to themselves entirely and they’re going to eat shit for it, blame Labour.
* Fine universities for “political bias”
* Ban teaching of “gender ideology” and “critical race theory”
* Abolish all diversity, equality and inclusion roles and regulations
* Leave European Convention on Human Rights
* Implemented discredited Cass report because they hate trans people
* Indicated they are going to further cut support for disabled people
* Not even publically said "please don't do that" in response to a genocide and war crimes.
You already have a Reform government mate, and you voted for it.
Financially the costs of supporting benefits need to be addressed. Primarily astronomical housing costs.
This aspect alone is a Herculean challenge. But that’s your best angle to reduce the benefits bill.
Now what the best thing to do to help people..
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he's a eugenecist.
And no, this is entirely to do with trump pulling the world’s economic trousers down.
Some can work but no one will employ them. This is to my mind the most challenging group. Can they be made more employable through skill acquisition?
And a small proportion won’t work.