The mystery of consciousness demands radical solutions. One radical option: Deny it exists. philpapers.org/rec/KAMDCA-2... - ThreadSky

philipgoff.bsky.social • 15 days ago

The mystery of consciousness demands radical solutions. One radical option: Deny it exists.
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memtufuk.bsky.social•15 days ago

I think consciousness in epistemological space is similar to the black holes in physical space. Similar to black holes occupying no physical space, consciousness occupies zero epistemological space as knowledge is always on something other than the knower. ++

memtufuk.bsky.social•15 days ago

Yet similar to black holes having a huge mass which doesn't allow denying their existence, consciousness is primal to us; we cannot say it doesn't exist. So, the existence of consciousness seems a bit paradoxical. But I think it is because the way we define the epistemological space is incomplete.

nicolasfabelo.bsky.social•14 days ago

My message to illusionists 👇 https://wp.me/p8xkVN-vs

khuramy.bsky.social•15 days ago

I don’t think it’s *that* radical, once they clarify the senses of consciousness they don’t believe in.

khuramy.bsky.social•15 days ago

I myself lean towards a qualia quietist view.

immaterialist.bsky.social•15 days ago

Proper real consciousness as in the experience of green, or a pain, the awareness that one is an enduring self etc. It's not radical, it's flat out insane. It denies the very thing we can be utterly certain of literally above everything else.

immaterialist.bsky.social•15 days ago

Galen Strawson: “What is the silliest claim ever made? The competition is fierce, but I think the answer is easy. Some people have denied the existence of consciousness”

Aye.

khuramy.bsky.social•14 days ago

Would be compelling if the people were denying the existence of consciousness (in *every* sense). But, remember, proponents of views like illusionism seem to only deny that a technical sense of consciousness exists.

immaterialist.bsky.social•14 days ago

It only has one meaning. Either they deny the existence of consciousness, or they do not. Which is it?

colinfmurtha.bsky.social•15 days ago

I'm curious about this. How can one deny the existence of something if it doesn't already exist in some sense?

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