If the food is at the table, and everyone is sitting down, I'm eating idc. Wanna pray, feel free ... pray that there are still mashed taters and stuffing left when you're done 🥰 lmao
Awful. I know it's hard to see "human" right now, but we have to. We have integrity, emotions, integrity. As much as it kills us to help a maggot in need, chances are we will try.
My question, when do we give up on those who would let us suffer??
Prayers are useless anyhow as there is no god. But my sympathy for MAGA voters who now have to navigate the healthcare system is at an all time low. It’s barely non-existent.
You GO GIRL… I’m more upset as the days go by. Got T-day card from a friend just so she could bait me. “Saw your sister at early voting; wonderful news! God has a plan…” News regarding my health, but they’re all MAGA & she made sure to get trigger words in. Knows it will upset me. I shredded it.
Every perceived slight is what they likely see on their side as justified retribution. The only way this is countered is a virtuous cycle, independent moral conviction in treating people how you would want to be treated. No one is perfect, but if no one aims higher, we have anarchy.
That’s a very low bar. Refusing to waste our time on them doesn’t mean we’re trying to hurt them. Which is their aim, with their vote.
Both sidesing it is comparing apples to bananas.
The prayer miser? Only so many prayers in my prayer bank, I won’t waste one?
"Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14 … Then, “ No not the brown, black, yellow, disabled, hungry, one’s!!! Etc…Christfascist 101
Many of these people are simply extremely misinformed. True, it’s the party of the racists and Nazis, but if we don’t engage with those who were conned, we are doomed to repeat this cycle.
I feel exactly the same way. I gave them a Mulligan for 2016, but not this time, not after the 1st shitshow & Jan 6th, & the ensuing insanity. There are zero excuses. 🤨
I was on a cruise in September. A guy died on the cruise and his wife posted in our Facebook group that she was holding a memorial for him. I looked at their profiles (which she shared) and both were hard-core MAGAts. We did not go to the memorial.
To me, that's different from whether or not to pray for his survival. Look, the main problem I have with MAGAs is how quick they are to dehumanize others they disagree with. How are we any different if we dehumanize them? I absolutely will NOT go there.
It’s like when FEMA was hesitant to help Trump supporters after the hurricane. After all the false info they were spreading, one can understand the reluctance.
FEMA workers were being threatened. There were armed goons actually on the prowl for them. It's not as if they did a poll before going in to a given area.
I’ve found myself questioning who people may have voted for before offering any help. What local business can I feel comfortable supporting? We thought we were divided before the election?
Yeah... Take it from a pastor's kid (a Christian Nationalist's kid); this is how low they deign to stoop. It blows my mind- WWJD? More like WWAD- what would assholes do.
Aigh aigh. 👀 To all of the Harris camp (i.e. sane) - as a Christian and an Independent, *feel* your anger and frustration at what just happened. We just enjoyed a relaxing, MAGA-free holiday here too.
But this is different, with apologies. The road that must not be followed, even if the (correct)
Oh no lol ! 🫠 You are right though - they definitely have noticed, and are beginning to try the 'next' infiltration...
The MAGA/orc-adjacent mindset will occupy future psychology Ph.D. exams & lectures galore , for centuries to come (assuming lil planet makes it that far... 👀😐) God Bless. 💙🇪🇺🇺🇦💜🕊
sense is that, YES, many MAGA seem to dance to this tune (have been grimly blocking numerous of the ruder ones all day). Own view is that they need to be shown how to overcome their low-information tendencies as kindly as is possible (which admittedly too that is not too kind at all, when provoked)
If you are an atheist, ask for your forbearance. Mean no ill will or disrespect. But prayer is not something conditional in any way, shape or Platonic form. It just isn't.
As for any MAGA reading this- if you seem vaguely reasonable, and can sense *why* the anger exists about your choices -- might
*Am more conservative than you, here* ... start DEALING WITH FACTS, and OBJECTIVE REALITY, and you will find that you get more respect in these forums.
If you cannot do any of the above (snarking, coping with facts) -- why did you come here ? Malice ? 👀👀 ... 👀👀 Answer that charge ... if you dare to
But it is *my* way. I’ve been told I’m full of shit. Is hat I don’t understand the topics. That I’m a libtard. A cuck. To cry harder. It’s all good because Hillary called them deplorables once many years ago. No more.
Remember yrs ago when we were appalled when the news reported on the occasional person who would walk by someone in need or in an accident? I wonder now if they’d ask who the person in need voted for?
Great now you’re friends with a murderer. True, they didn’t destroy their kidneys (I assume) but that one prayer might have tipped he scales in favor and convinced a supposedly all perfect deity to change course and grant the wish.
Seems like he only helps sports teams and lost keys, though.
The truth is that the MAGAts have been drawing the lines of division for four years and now think we're supposed to forget all their vitriol and go forward with them into Trump's "mandate".
Not a fucking chance.
I'm almost 66 and won't abide a dictator.
If that makes me a rebel then fine.
Let's rock
If someone voted for a person who openly campaigned on harming people like my daughter, parents, friends, and me, I wouldn't break bread with them. They are MAGA-Nazis and don't give a damn about the marginalized. You don't reach out to evil. You defeat it. I
No, if you voted for sweet potato hitler people should shun you. You voted for 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico (Two of our biggest trade partners), you voted to gut schools, to make the air and water toxic. To generally make the world harder to by in.
We need to go back to a place where both parties have enough humanity and desire to do well for the electorate that it matters less who someone voted for.
I miss discussing politics when it was a details thing, not a human rights thing.
You mean back to a place where a president crafts an infrastructure bill that helps all areas of the country regardless of which districts voted for him or which Congress members voted for the bill?
Well, yes. But we know Biden is a decent guy in politics. The other side would at least attempt to be politically correct in the past. Both sides kept the extremists in their camps at bay and tried to appeal to everyone.
Well one party believes being born white gave them special rights. And the other doesn't. Both parties are corrupt as hell by money, but one party is literally a party of supremacist who believe only they should have rights.
Disagree. This election was a true line in the sand. There is no gray area or ability to "agree to disagree." Lives and livelihoods are literally at stake. You are either on the side of good, or evil. There is no longer a middle ground of neutrality.
My sympathies prioritize those who were most harmed by these horrible decisions—not those who made them out of ignorance, selfishness, or indifference.
Absolutely not. The illogical premise of an all knowing all powerful perfectly good deity that has not only allowed evil to run rampant for millenia but supposedly carried it out "himself" often in the Old Testament, combined with the rank and utter hypocrisy of "his people" caused me to leave.
The millions who didn’t vote or made harmful choices need to reckon w/ what their decision has done & that includes grappling w/the impact on their own lives. I don’t think we should ignore their needs entirely, but we can focus energy on supporting those who actively worked to improve society. FAFO
Absolutely not! There are those who voted to end democracy and decency in the United States and they are to never be normalized. We fought an entire fucking world world war over this authoritarianism, millions of people died,others suffered terribly, and for what?
Don’t count on that happening any time soon . Over here in the UK we’re still being politely passive aggressive to people who voted to leave the EU, and that vote was 8 years ago. We won’t be forgiving or forgetting for quite a while yet.
Back in the day the two parties agreed on the problems, and disagreed on the solutions.
Now, the two parties don’t agree on the problems and one party is so righteous
that they toss out law and the constitution while buying power with the riches.
Very discerning - respect! I avoid companies who support Trump and Brexit. For example I stay away from Dyson products because he supported Brexit. They only care about money so hit them where it hurts.
It is sad because I like the innovative technology in his vacuum cleaners and I bought one of the originals pre-Brexit times. But yes - he was a Brexit supporter. I don’t like the Dyson hand dryers that you find at airports, etc
oh, i've been wanting/needing a really good vacuum since i have four cats, but the Dyson is so expensive, i've been hesitating. the Black Friday sales were making me wobble on their new stick vacuum. i don't need it, but with tariff possibility, thinking ahead. still, Brexit was a bad call.
I think you can judge/avoid/cutoff 60% of trump voters, the deplorables, but 40% are just ignorant ( voting”change” because neoliberalism made dems policy indistinguishable from GOP for decades. Be mad at the oligarchs that tricked them because the oligarchs want us to be pitiless and divided.
Sadly, this reveals why humanity is evolving slower in consciousness than we profess to want.
Who and what we damn, damns us in return. Who and what we hold in darkness, draws us to that darkness. We cannot hold another in Darkness and be the Light. Just saying…
Hate is contageous. We are becoming what we most dislike about MAGAs: hateful, unkind, uncharitable, unmerciful, and mean. And this shows we are willing to weaponize our spirituality. Stop. Breathe. Find what remains of your heart.
All of those things are true and forgiveness is possible. Forgetting and allowing that stink of corruption is perfectly fine to avoid like it’s contagious. ✌️
You assume hate. I dont. I would not have typed that but I also wont judge. People are allowed the boundaries they choose, without us deciding they are wrong.
That’s all I’ve been doing since the Election. I honestly thought he’d get rolled (as he so deserved) because I believed there were more good than bad. This has proven me wrong, so shocked & so very disappointed in people. 😔
I’ve no problem with this. As a recovering Catholic, I’m done turning the other cheek. My religion is morality. Karma is my king or queen and they’re the leaders of my FAFO.
I love that so many of us use "recovering Catholic" instead of "lapsed" or "former." It really drives home the mental/emotional (and, for some, physical) trauma.
I prefer the term godfree to godless. "Less" indicates a lack, a problem to be rectified. Freedom, however, is something worth having, even fighting for.
i feel this reply. i get it. it's affected my energy work... and i'm a massage therapist. but it feels so much like enabling evil to heal people who willfully voted for chaos. :(
Don't blame them. After recent events I have very few fucks left to give, so I certainly wont be wasting them on people whose complicit stupidity and/or hateful nature played a part in ripping away the foundations of decency and democracy.
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My question, when do we give up on those who would let us suffer??
Both sidesing it is comparing apples to bananas.
"Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 19:14 … Then, “ No not the brown, black, yellow, disabled, hungry, one’s!!! Etc…Christfascist 101
I am not religious, personally, but I will be sending all the good vibes and "juju" I can muster for Josh's grandfather.
For me, I will just say that nobody has a vested right to my prayers.
That's what's horrible.
Responding to that is not horrible.
I'm not going to make space for Nazis in my life because the only result will be more Nazis in my life.
Don't cozy up to people that will give you up.
That grace has not been extended in 20 or 24.
I don't have time to care about them any more, but I will fight anyone who tries to make the government treat them differently from anyone else.
“Never hate your enemies. It blinds your judgment.”
But this is different, with apologies. The road that must not be followed, even if the (correct)
The MAGA/orc-adjacent mindset will occupy future psychology Ph.D. exams & lectures galore , for centuries to come (assuming lil planet makes it that far... 👀😐) God Bless. 💙🇪🇺🇺🇦💜🕊
As for any MAGA reading this- if you seem vaguely reasonable, and can sense *why* the anger exists about your choices -- might
Dunno. Isn't that why you followed the db x-odus ? 👀 To see what the 'other side' says, hmmm ? 👀 (by far most common sentiment seen on MAGA pages...)
Well know this:
If you cannot do any of the above (snarking, coping with facts) -- why did you come here ? Malice ? 👀👀 ... 👀👀 Answer that charge ... if you dare to
Don’t need prayers from that person.
Seems like he only helps sports teams and lost keys, though.
Not a fucking chance.
I'm almost 66 and won't abide a dictator.
If that makes me a rebel then fine.
Let's rock
We need to normalize not knowing or caring who people voted for.
I miss discussing politics when it was a details thing, not a human rights thing.
I hope it will be so again in my lifetime.
What do you propose we do with the millions of Americans who didn’t vote then?
It really is ok—and quite possible—to care about people without knowing who they voted for.
Me: We should care about everyone!
Others: No, we must know how people voted so we can sort them and care accordingly.
Curious, do you attend a church or place of worship?
Mil people died from his mishandling of Covid.
Elderly Americans were physically assaulted, bc the President targeted Asians with Kung Flu.
The list goes on. If you didn’t learn from those 4 long years. You’re part of the problem
The country was so very divided.
Back in the day the two parties agreed on the problems, and disagreed on the solutions.
Now, the two parties don’t agree on the problems and one party is so righteous
that they toss out law and the constitution while buying power with the riches.
evil personified
*are prayers finite?
Who and what we damn, damns us in return. Who and what we hold in darkness, draws us to that darkness. We cannot hold another in Darkness and be the Light. Just saying…
Those who have shown repeatedly that they mean harm, believe them. And act accordingly.
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Just kidding - it’s easy to be as awful as MAGA. Be kind, folks.
I hope the former. The reply is heartless.
Who did he vote for...so I know what outcome to pray for.