1) People like their health ins. 2) Their health insurance actually sucks. You only find out 2 when it kills you, but that doesn't change the politics of 1. - ThreadSky

patriotsnopes.bsky.social • 82 days ago

1) People like their health ins.
2) Their health insurance actually sucks.

You only find out 2 when it kills you, but that doesn't change the politics of 1.

Reposted from Will Stancil

Guys the only way that selection bias of this nature would skew polls about health insurance is if literally tens of millions of Americans were dying due to denied insurance claims or other coverage issues. It’s not plausible

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anniegirl.bsky.social•82 days ago

I moved to Canada long ago and US fam/friends will give me "I told you so" eyes when I have to wait for this or that, but my healthcare takes care of major issues for little more than the taxes I pay while they're paying thousands out of pocket in addition to premiums. But they don't hear that.

pelledge.bsky.social•82 days ago

Yeah, the people that like their insurance rarely use it.

patternrettap.bsky.social•82 days ago

It's a dynamic that makes reform difficult. The current system really and truely sucks. But a lot of people have a lot of faith in it and believe that any reforms will come at their expense. And yes these people are generally healthy, but these are the voters who have killed reform again and again

chriroch.bsky.social•82 days ago

Bad health insurance doesn't mean "Death! Immediately!"

Also, someone's death is going to be noticed by the people in their social circle. Like I'd be a little mad if my family member suffered because it was an "unnecessary medical procedure".

You can see the fallacies here, can't you?

patriotsnopes.bsky.social•82 days ago

Yes, I'm simplifying. Many people intensely hate their health ins. Nevertheless, if you poll a thing and most people like it - it's popular. Intense dislike from a minority is not always enough in politics, as we saw in the last election.

chriroch.bsky.social•82 days ago

How you can you hold:

- Many people intensely hate their health ins
And
- if you poll a thing and most people like it - it's popular

Without wondering about the incongruity? Health insurance is not popular. People saying they are satisfied is not the same thing.

chriroch.bsky.social•82 days ago

Like there is a disconnect here, and it's beyond weird to assume that no, actually, everyone is fine with the state of health insurance in the US. They rated themselves as "satisfied "!

They aren't fine - they accept the statue quo, but that is absolutely not the same thing.

patriotsnopes.bsky.social•82 days ago

I would say being satisfied, accepting the status quo, and being fine with something are all synonymous.

chriroch.bsky.social•82 days ago

And I am very clearly saying that is not correct, and that imprecise language use is causing issues.

internettheo.bsky.social•82 days ago

It doesn’t happen often enough to have that downstream effect. Similarly minimal in politically beneficial terms as antivax people in red areas changing their minds after noticing their unvaxed family and friends dying from covid.

chriroch.bsky.social•82 days ago

Yeah no, this is apple and oranges.

internettheo.bsky.social•82 days ago

You don’t even need to have that counterexample to think through situation alone to see how it doesn’t lead to secondary effects that benefit you politically. Rather, advocate for policies like that because they are the better policies w out feigning “this will win” confidence . Can we just do that?

statsjew.bsky.social•82 days ago

I feel like, since the ACA makes insurance cover preventive care, this has gotten worse. You aren't getting stiffed as often, even with really bad insurance.

ealluia.bsky.social•82 days ago

Health insurance is a mixed bag. They'll cover one thing and not another and it won't make a lot of sense from a medical point of view and the finances of it will be opaque. On the provider end, the charges also can be disconnected from what would make sense. A lot of money changes hands.

ealluia.bsky.social•82 days ago

This experience is replicated to an extent with Medicare too. It's great and then one day you're in a nursing home that has conditions I wouldn't wish on anyone because that's what you can get and maybe it's not so great.

pandabusmaximus.bsky.social•82 days ago

It's a nonsensical process. They approved a costly procedure for me almost immediately but refused to cover a $100 inhaler. I worked in a healthcare facility, and I will tell you that no one outside of the insurance company itself understands the approval processes, and we likely never will.

ealluia.bsky.social•82 days ago

Yeah, this is more in line with the actual experience than those who keep insisting health insurance stiffs you the second you have a major expense. They have their own complicated rules put together by so many people I doubt any one individual understands the system.

sistercurry.bsky.social•82 days ago

People like their health insurance until they get seriously ill.

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