I can't stop someone from believing horrible things, and perhaps that shouldn't be my right. But I can refuse to grant those beliefs legitimacy. I can call those who believe it what they are: racist. That is not only our right, but our duty as moral people. That's what this post is talking about.
Okay so maybe this went over my head. But it's not saying that
for instance, Nazi's shouldn't be allowed to Rally?
Or that someone shouldn't be allowed to speak freely on things that seem immoral or evil?
No, those are legally protected rights. At least in my interpretation, this post is saying not to grant those beliefs anything beyond the legal minimum. No news coverage of their arguments, no public debates, etc. Nothing to legitimize their horrific beliefs.
I mean sure we can get into the weeds on the actions of individuals.
But I'd say most people would consider Nazism to be inherently evil.
But if it's not applied as Law, well then it's pretty benign.
An Evil man will commit evil acts with or without a reason.
Ya but political discourse is rife with ignorance so idk.
That's why I argue whether or not a belief is causal to evil.
I can believe in the most heinous shit but be a real plum guy to be around. Pay my taxes, Pet my dog, Love my kids, be cordial to my neighbors etc.
Actually I moved here from England in 1980 - got a great job husband family . I have lived my dream but I see such inequality and unfairness now. It was underground and I didn’t see it !
Let’s hope he is right. You have certainly been blindsided by a Constitution that is not fit for purpose & left you wide open to abuse. Your political & legal systems seem designed to favour one group. While that is not unique doesn’t mean it doesn’t need fixing.
When will MAGA figure out that this isn’t right Vs left and it’s really just a class war charading as such? I still can’t believe they haven’t got the memo yet.
It’s always puzzled me that the poorest people in America vote in the very same people who have made their lives so difficult. The GOP figured out a long time ago that all it took was to exploit their hatred and use religion. As long as they hate the same people, in their minds it’s a win.
It IS left v right though. Dems & liberals aren’t the left, they’re center right. But to say it’s not LvR is to ignore a huge portion of the population that’s been pushing for class consciousness for years now.
Are you American or Canadian? US Dems are most definitely center left by Canadian standards. I feel like the majority of MAGA (not the 1%) actually want left policies but don’t even know it.. republicans exploit their hatred and fear to get their votes.
It's a short and neat formulation, but dealing with tolerance and evil with such brevity puts me on the alert. Can it be so simple? Is it wisdom or is it a slogan? In any particular case, context is all. That implies a deep knowledge of circumstances, both currently and in the past. Respectfully.
I don't think that errors due to lack of education have been generally accepted as being evil. This sort of categorizing sounds a little academic to me. I can't say more on that, respectfully.
Thomas Mann and his family were fascinating. They were refugees from Nazi Germany—Mann's wife was Jewish. If you're interested in their story, check out "The Magician" by Colm Toíbín. It's a novel, but based on Mann's journals and other sources. It's one of those rare books that you're sad to finish
There is no tolerance paradox. Tolerance is a social contract that only protects those who keep the rules of the contract. Tolerance need not be extended to the intolerant.
My mom (a dem) is up in arms about my refusal to extend compassion to my sister or my niece this holiday season. Like, sorry? I have more compassion for the kids & parents at my child’s school whose citizenship is in question.
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To see evil and do nothing but watch, makes you as guilty as the ones doing the deed. You knew they were wrong and did nothing while there was blood on your hands.
There's alot of guilty dems in congress that should be reminded of this cause it sure seems to me that a lot of them are very, very quiet these days. There really doesn't seem to be any fight anywhere in dem leadership. There's noway I'm gonna work with people that obstruct every chance they get
Mann is not talking about tolerance but rather avoidance of responsibility to divest, boycott, and sanction antisocial behaviour. #stopshopping #bdsamazon #defundthepatriarchy
Tolerance is not a moral stance, it's a social contract. You do not have to play by the rules of a game somebody else abandoned and are now playing a different game entirely
Another way in which the paradox of tolerance falls is if everybody is held to the same rules. “If I don’t want someone doing X to me, then I should not do X (or the equivalent of) to someone else”. Make it into objective, specific laws. Punish people who break said laws. Boom, problem solved.
Really? So easy! Never mind that the opposite rule might apply in some situations? The need is to not be moral, the need is to be appropriate. Morality does not exist.
Exactly. Which is why the ideas of the progressive movement and the democrat party must be shouted down and eliminated from public discourse. Progressivism needs to go the way of the dodo.
For readers in the bunch: May be a good time to plug "The Magician" by Colm Toibin - a fascinating yet "fictionalized" account of the life of Thomas Mann.
These are wise words. Tolerance of diversity is a virtue, the first step toward acceptance and engagement. Tolerance of evil is vile, the first step toward acceptable and engagement.
Tolerance is a social contract, not a moral obligation. The GOP broke that contract with pride. Now cry for the protection of tolerance for their intolerance. Sad. Shameful, really.
Well for my English majors - that often never read that generation (Kafka they normally did) - But Stefan Zweig, Friedrich Dürrenmatt, Max Frisch, Heinrich Böll, Günter Grass - I could go on and on in European writing - when we get to the short stories it gets mad - some many good one ❤️
It's not that simple. And it is not called tolerance, it's call indifference. One should not impose the recipe for the solution that one thinks it is, on the others. And one should not impose his definition of what is "UN tolerable or so evil" to others.
Because each people may appreciate different priorities in life and project its algorithms different that each other person, also may have cosmovision about what is good or bad quite different. Because we are not owner of the true we keep learning from the spirits, we change as we learn.
If people are saying racist, misogynistic, bigoted, hateful things and suggesting that some groups of people deserve fewer rights, I don't listen to them. Sure, it's their right to say what they want. It's my right to decide they're an asshole & disregard them.
Seems to be my day for confession. Had to skim Magic Mt & Dr Faustus in one long night to get a B in a Sr Eng course to graduate. Am great at skimming essential substance...or would never have graduates as an Eng & Econ major.
There is no paradox of tolerance. By tolerating intolerance you are by extension automatically intolerant.
Intolerant people are the aggressor and thus simply tolerating them is enough endorsement. Victims need active support, aggressors have enough from just passive support.
Or we are blinded by group think and fealty to our tribe and virtue signalling into thinking they are evil when, it turns out, it was us all along. Like a light of RIGHT WING ideology (to return in kind).
As an atheist myself, why do you hate their invisible sky wizard so much? It can't hurt you unless you hurt yourself and blame it on "god". Learn, love and laugh my dude. You'll be a happier person.
People with ancient imaginary friends hurt innocents on behalf of said imaginary friend. Nothing has inspired violence quite like this fucking nonsense. These stupid fucks like to call each other good while worshipping one of mythology’s most hateful monsters. Fuck loving these backwards cunts.
If anyone calls themselves good, it is unlikely that they are a Christian (Romans 7:18). In fact, Christians will claim that they deserve suffering (Lamentations 3:39-42), but God sometimes graciously prevents it.
When you reply to a photo of a nazi, please dont ever ask "who gets to define evil". The nazi's are evil.
Any movement that seeks to render another group as subordinate, or exterminate them is evil.
Seriously..
Open a damn book
That’s why I should focus more on the future instead of getting too caught up in an overly idealized version of life right now. If we can’t change other people or certain things, then let’s work on changing ourselves.
I just sent an email to Joni Ernst, asking (pleading) with her to not vote for that pig Hesgeth! I encourage everyone to do the same. It's bad enough America voted for a sexual assaulting criminal as potus. But there's still time to stop DJT from installing another predator in a position of power!
So, democracy doesn't matter then? If the people vote for a criminal for President, then who is anyone to tell them that they're wrong? Do you support democracy or not?
When we tolerate, we become indifferent. When we are indifferent we become inured. Then evil seeps in as something normal and horrible things are allowed to happen.
Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept that suggests that a society must be intolerant of intolerance in order to remain tolerant. Popper's ideas are presented in his 1945 book The Open Society and Its Enemies
Aside from what was mentioned, I'm super critical of most of his other internal policies, like all the pro-religion and pro-family shit. Putin's foreign policy is mostly amazing, especially the SMO. I don't like how he didn't help Assad but his hands were tied by fighting NATO
IMO, we should not use the term "evil" in political discourse. There is no objective evil. Morality is personal or religious. I say this as someone who has been ostracized and literally spat upon for my "evil" existence as a queer person. Those abusive people felt tolerating my presence was a crime.
Considering we use the title of criminal to turn people into indentured workers (read: slaves) you're actually not wrong. Unless you're obscenely wealthy you too can be labeled a criminal and treated like one on word alone. Exploitation is required for continued profits but not for us all to thrive
Case in point. The ceo of Arizona iced tea is worth 6.5 billion. In '92 they released their beverage for 99 cents. 32 years later, there beverage is still 99 cents. Proof that you can make it big without gouge the consumer for all you can.
I watch music videos uploaded by people other than the artist because they haven't cleared copyright and just that is probably a violation of law as well.
I don't think anything of 🏴☠️ what I can't legally buy. It's technically a crime but if they give me no legal recourse to buy it, how is it theft?
And as someone who goes to conventions, I see a lot of fanart of copyrighted characters being sold. Studios COULD do something about it and one could say it’s fair use, but it’s too much work for artists just being passionate fans and it would be bad PR.
I never forgave Metallica for raging against their own fans. Music fans like myself were still buying albums.
Napster just allowed us to see if the whole album was worth paying for (in higher quality than 128 kbps lol) as well as listen to really deep cuts that weren't available commercially.
On the contrary. Lawbooks are so full of obscure laws that many people run afoul of them on a daily basis, especially in the digital age, simply out of ignorance.
It's also naive to assume the concept of "innocence" of a human being. People lie, steal, and cheat all the time because they're human.
Karl Popper said it best in his paradox of tolerance.
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”
I don't think you understand the nature of tolerance. It's one thing to murder someone because they don't agree with you. NOT tolerance. It is another to allow them to live even when they don't agree with you. TOLERANCE. Are you advocating vigilante justice?
Then rephrase your meme to say "unchecked". Refusing to tolerate has implications of forcing others to agree and I don't condone that. Keeping a check on unbridled power is always a good idea. But that is not the same as refusing to tolerate intolerance which is its own brand of intolerance.
Perhaps you find it acceptable. I do not. People are born the way they are born, their brains are wired the way their brains are wired. You don't like the way they were born and the way their brains are wired, take it up with Evolution.
Send this to the Dem Senate & House members attending trump’s inaugural travesty. They still believe republicans are going to “work with them for the good of the country.”
This is an idea that's been lost on voters to give a demagogue and autocrat a national hearing, and treating it as equivalent with long held American values. Evil has no equivalence when seen without its propaganda.
Victorious warriors win first then go to war. While defeated warriors go to war first then seek to win.
They have been planning for decades. Don’t act surprised and say you didn’t see the signs. With each new bill the erosion of rights has been eating away until we have become accustomed to the loss
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It goes against the Foundation of Western Principles.
Anyone can believe what they want no matter how vile.
The fault is on the people who allow it to gain power.
for instance, Nazi's shouldn't be allowed to Rally?
Or that someone shouldn't be allowed to speak freely on things that seem immoral or evil?
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
But I'd say most people would consider Nazism to be inherently evil.
But if it's not applied as Law, well then it's pretty benign.
An Evil man will commit evil acts with or without a reason.
That's why I argue whether or not a belief is causal to evil.
I can believe in the most heinous shit but be a real plum guy to be around. Pay my taxes, Pet my dog, Love my kids, be cordial to my neighbors etc.
"Tolerance does not require tolerating intolerance."
- Star Sage -
Was it really all that beautiful?
Think about it.
Then do the math.
We are a failed experiment, gone horribly, horribly wrong.
We need a new beginning.
Somehow.
Most of us don't, and didn't, 'see it'; as things 'like that' don't happen here, or in the UK for that matter.
But they do.
And they always have.
That's why The Cost of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance.
I only hope that we haven't dropped the ball, as i fear we have collectively lost our way.
Well said.
Sadly.
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
Luigi’s motto:
Scopa e scoprilo
Here’s another historical gem I’ll pass on: The Books of Jacob by Olga Tokarczuk.
Yes, The Magician is a longish book and it was an absolute pleasure to read.
If it's illegal to tolerate evil..what the fuck are we all doing here?
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Lol, what a weird little snowflake.
If you believe people can be trans species, gender, etc then state why.
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
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The rich love polite society, for one.
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Intolerant people are the aggressor and thus simply tolerating them is enough endorsement. Victims need active support, aggressors have enough from just passive support.
I however come to the conclusion that you shouldn't limit tolerance since you can't be tolerant towards intolerance to begin with.
There is no moral authority besides God. He is the other, the perfect judge of humanity.
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
Any movement that seeks to render another group as subordinate, or exterminate them is evil.
Seriously..
Open a damn book
I urge you to look that up. You will find that it’s quite the opposite. But don’t trust me, check the Google.
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So good
I like this as well
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
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That's a mondo crime.
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I don't think anything of 🏴☠️ what I can't legally buy. It's technically a crime but if they give me no legal recourse to buy it, how is it theft?
Napster just allowed us to see if the whole album was worth paying for (in higher quality than 128 kbps lol) as well as listen to really deep cuts that weren't available commercially.
It's also naive to assume the concept of "innocence" of a human being. People lie, steal, and cheat all the time because they're human.
“Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.”
This very reason.
I do however worry for the lack of talent that surrounds him.
But i think that, as far as his administration was concerned, he wisely surrounded himself with highly competent professionals.
However, i would agree that his campaign staff were woefully ineffective, as was the DNC and the so-called 'liberal' media.
But Joe did well.
Ideas can be evil. But there is no THEM, only US.
And: aren´t there some evils, like errors due to lack of education, which we nevertheless should tolerate?
So: where is the borderline between tolerable and intolerable evils?
Me, upon reading this *shrugs*
They have been planning for decades. Don’t act surprised and say you didn’t see the signs. With each new bill the erosion of rights has been eating away until we have become accustomed to the loss
They benefit from it. They encourage it!
December 4th was a moral realignment.