I feel like it would have been a bit of a harder sell when the government had big signs up everywhere asking people to give every piece of scrap steel and copper they had, but I’m certain there were some!
But damn it if we didn’t do a much better job of communicating what we were trying to do back then. We would have a much smaller disinfo problem if we were playing Magyar videos and ATACMS strikes set to some thumpin’ euro dubstep in the middle of the trailers for every movie coming out.
In the void of history, some mortals whispered of elites weaving the threads of war, casting blame upon distant factions. Yet, the cosmic reality of WWII was felt by all, rationing, sacrifice, destruction, leaving no room for falsehoods. The climb, unwavering, continues.
I recently read Robert Kagan's, "The Ghost at The Feast" and "The World America Made." An American perspective for sure but I saw what we are experiencing now. Europeans may have another take.
They had a different view before and after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Before that, they didn't want anything to do with the war in Europe. And there were no social media. Space for dissemination.
Communist should be very much against collective guilt. And even if we were going to generalize Ukrainians in ww2, 6 millions fought for Red Army while cca 150 000 fought for nazis. Read a book instead of using communism as an aesthetic.
You obviously dont read, lmao. If you have ever read anything about communism in your life, even a wikipedia article, you'd know that my comment is right. Youre an angsty teen trying to use communism as an aesthetic. Go read Lenin and stop embarrassing us actual communists
You havent read any theory at all, you're a poser. If you had read any military history of communism, you'd know that Ukrainians probably contributed the most to the fall of nazi Germany out of all worlds nations. If you had read any political theory of communism, you'd know that (1/*)
Good question. I think that it's social media and mass propaganda paid by Ru and China that is distorting the reality and truth. And people are very stupid, they really like conspiracies, magical thinking and easy answers.
Yes. Conspiracies were rife then. Fun fact: the American civil war was also fueled by the slave industry. I found that kind of shocking, reading about that time. It really reminded me of modern day America. White supremacists are not well, no matter the continent, no matter the century.
The average people weren't about it but marshal law allowed the military to come into small towns and cities to change the minds via re education, these were for the ones that weren't convinced Jewish people were their reason for their poverty when it was WW1 reparations
i highly doubt you even WANT to know, given the history does you not favors in particular and all
but there are two versions of fake war theory
the first version is a Wag The Dog style complete fabrication with lights and production that wasn't technologically feasible at the time, total rubbish
the second version addresses a conflict (or the second part of one) completely manufactured to colonize Palestine, murder communists, and sell supplies to everybody on the premise the nazis were supported too
so much more material support went to fascists, it removes any doubt really
The tough thing about Chamberlain is that looking back, it’s obvious to us now, only because we are living in his future. But at the time, it would have seemed that peace was possible. Even if there was ample evidence to suggest otherwise, the hope of peace is very alluring. We just know better now.
Just stop defending Chamberlain already. He was indeed arrogant and ignorant. He called the situation "A quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing”. This is precisely the kind of nonsense you hear from idiots and Russian shills about Ukraine.
I've got some sympathy with him but from a personal viewpoint, I was critical of the red line crossing in Syria and so on and so forth (somewhat analogous to prelude to WW2). So I think the line could've been drawn earlier.
Ironically the West did a worse job this time of gearing up for a war imo
Believe it or not, America had a Nazi party during this time that was pushing for isolation. The Germans thought they could turn the American public against the war in Europe and assumed they'd ally with Germany after Europe was under their control. Japan said, "Hold my beer," The rest is history.
Recent. War was a more common occurrence back then. People were far more used to violence being visited upon their lives. That's why so many people left Europe for the US.
Every family had loved ones lost or away fighting. Families did without in order to feed our troops. Gas,food rations.
There were people who disagreed with the wars but supported troops.
Government for next 4 years are already Russian assets and only care abt applause and grift.
I studied that period extensively. Short answer? No. I never came across that sentiment. There was a slice of domestic sympathy for Nazi aims, yes. But people relied on 3 networks, radio, and major metro news reporting which was often quite jingoistic and always hyper-patriotic. 1/2
My grandfather a 16-page full-color insert from the Chicago Sun-Times from that era discussing the state of the war with maps and graphics. That level of coverage was typical.
Add to this the millions who left their families to serve, the rise of the domestic war machine, and rationing. 2/3
Plus USO tours, returning wounded, letters from the front, newsreels, TV shows, books and movies. It was impossible to deny and rare for one's family to not be directly impacted on several vectors. 3/3
I think that it is not a coincidence. When Hitler came into power, he made sure every home had the latest communication devise, the radio. He filled their heads w/propaganda. Our congressional leaders have provided little to no guardrails for the internet in regard to propaganda.
Yeaaaa. That right there, is one of those comments that sounds so probable, I can take it at face value lol.
There's evidence here, how hooked society was on radios when they came out. I imagine if the common had the power to put out their own programming as easily as we post, it'd of been similar
Whole families sat around listening. After the war, we actually advised them on how to keep that from happening again with guardrails around free and fair speech. Reagan undid all of this for television, & nothing has been done about the internet. Mass communication can be dangerous.
Hoping to hear people far more intelligent than me gave these discussions. But again, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that fascism gained traction as the social media platforms rose.
I’m thinking more concentration of ownership. Used to be laws limiting how many tv, radio stations you could own. The hard conversations needed around such communication are simply not had in the halls of Congress. I agree, double edged sword, & yet we do have limits to free speech.
There were plenty of folks even in Germany poopooing the notion of concentration camps as slaughter houses.
The US only entered the war after Pearl Harbor, because it "Didn't affect us," and there was no real concern over Hitler in much of the country.
That extended to Congress and Senate.
Doubt it, but there were undoubtedly those who would blame the UK and France for starting the war. Unfortunately the delusional only have more of a platform and medium to spread their trash in the 21st century
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Yes this isn’t new
There were war skeptics before WWII, but from what I have read, nothing close to the branded ignorance we see today.
America didn't want to start a WWII and was determined to leave Europe by themselves. The movement was called America First.
but there are two versions of fake war theory
the first version is a Wag The Dog style complete fabrication with lights and production that wasn't technologically feasible at the time, total rubbish
so much more material support went to fascists, it removes any doubt really
Ironically the West did a worse job this time of gearing up for a war imo
After all, if 2024 were the best-case-scenario future predicted in 1970, we'd be on Mars, but we'd have no Internet, no feminism, and no LGBT rights.
There is the case of Axis Sally who did propaganda in english from germany, she was American.
There were people who disagreed with the wars but supported troops.
Government for next 4 years are already Russian assets and only care abt applause and grift.
Add to this the millions who left their families to serve, the rise of the domestic war machine, and rationing. 2/3
There's evidence here, how hooked society was on radios when they came out. I imagine if the common had the power to put out their own programming as easily as we post, it'd of been similar
I do think at least having the capability to verify things is a step up. If we could just get people to check sources, we'd have peace on earth!
The US only entered the war after Pearl Harbor, because it "Didn't affect us," and there was no real concern over Hitler in much of the country.
That extended to Congress and Senate.
The big WW jewish Plot ?
=> Conspiracy Theory
Mostly, these were businessmen who were fine with Hitler because he put down his country's labor unions.