I think it's sad that a 'homeless' person was murdered just for his words. The CEO I don't have much to add on that..healthcare needs a complete overhaul...
Politics? One choked a guy to death when all he needed to do was restrain him. But no, hatred of the poor, the homeless gives him a pass. Mangione. Killed a family man for nothing. Insurance parasites going to change because of this idiots insane symbolism? Politics? Honesty. They shall never meet.
No matter what we think about corporatism and the nastiness with that Health Care gangster racket. Murder is wrong and it can't be accepted as a means of solution. But I KNOW which of the two will have the full force of the law and the book thrown at them. And there is the genuine issue in the end.
Sorry Don, but it’s not an issue of politics but of morals. They both deserve to pay for the cold-blooded murders they committed. If anything it’s rank classism that makes folks think either of these two criminals are heroes! And of course, the fact they’re White helps both of them tremendously.
Yes. Both are murders. That’s the point I was trying to make. That is until all these fake accounts start at me. Both should be in jail. Enough FAKE people!
No good has come of either act of violence. It’s concerning that individuals believe this behavior will change things. In most cases it makes the situation worse. I understand the healthcare system is broken. That CEO’s death is not going to achieve nothing but more pain and disregard for human life
Don, why would this depend on politics? Not everything is political. Some things are moral and ethical. Politics is not usually about morals or ethics, at least not anymore.
Not politics question for you
Truth teller
if your daughter or mom or husband, we’re on that train would you Check your political identity before instinctively being thankful someone intervened on a crazy person who could’ve killed them and threatened to do so
Disagree that being frightened on the subway and ripped off and mistreated by health insurance companies boils down to a political stance, sorry. These problems are universal.
If you have to resort to the “Help me Mommy” strategy to defend yourself, then YOU ARE NOT FIT TO DEFEND THIS NATION. And you certainly shouldn’t lead the Defense department. He won’t be respected, at home or abroad — which puts America at risk.
The 2nd killer also may have stopped a mass murderer. It’s not politics, but it might be vigilante justice. The 1st killer is a psycho who should rot in prison without a doubt.
Nothing political about seeing another executor of a Black man taking advantage of a white judicial system with no regard for Black lives! It's a human issue.
Daniel Penny: I was a US Navy Hospital Corpsman, and I know how marines the need to protect.
He was trained to deal with issues the way he handled it.
I am sorry for the loss of life.
Life in the civilian is mentally though. He needs mental health treatment and support.
Luigi Mangione: a bit sad to see that he lost his grandparents due to the “delay, deny, and dispose” healthcare system.
He maybe psychologically messed up. Hopefully, all angles will be looked into before judging him.
No one with a healthy/clear mind will do what he did.
It’s not hard …one was a hero fighting for healthcare for the middle class due to billionaires profiting off pain….the other killed someone who was struggling and homeless it’s a big difference between the 2.
Most Americans have never been to another country & seen how they police their people Shooting to disarm & disable instead of killing practices are used everyday except America our municipal PD have literally no de escalation training or skills they enter into situation as an armed insurgent
Most municipal PD don't know or comprehend the legal statutes they're enforcing let alone the actual constitution any cursory review of any random PD would find that in most cases of daily activity there is a literal life threatening absence of critical thinking involved killing of citizenry
A huge majority of our society no longer has a moral consciousness nor respect for human life. That is a more dangerous trend than I think we can currently conceive. I'm afraid that there may be no turning back.
How I feel about these accused killers has nothing to do with my politics. The MURDER of ANYONE is reprehensible, whether you have a grievance with their business model or their ideologies. Self defense, however, is another matter entirely.
I was curious so looked at the evidence presented in the first one. I find the verdict puzzling, but I accept it without agreeing with it. Luigi may or may not be the right person. I'd like to hear what he has to say before jumping to any conclusions.
This is about morality not politics. And most people agree killing a mass murderer is justified when all else fails. It's just that his weapon was corporate power to deny life saving claims from behind closed doors he stepped out of before meeting with his investors that morning.
It's a shame because you know they're going to do everything they can to throw the whole book at Luigi. Because money is all that truly matters. #BrokiesUnited
In my opinion there were several older women fearful of death on the subway. Penny did in my opinion over react but not egregiously. Luigi Mangione is a giant rich baby.
It's probably wrong, but I do feel bad for Mangioni - who I believe to be a passionate and caring individual- I think someone close to him was going though a bad situation by looking at his Facebook and CEO is a silent killer of many! The greed in healthcare has to stop!
Kinda like In the Joker movie, when Joker said if those rich kids on the train killed him nobody would care but since he killed them everyone would care. Some sentiment here.
don, you better hope here is a daniel penny around if someone attacks you. somehow, i don’t see you protecting yourself (or trying to protect anyone else).
The disparities in racial justice and healthcare are glaringly obvious in both cases. A white man is celebrated and exonerated for murdering a black severely disabled man (without appropriate healthcare) by the same media calling critics of UnitedHealthcare’s gross greed and inhumanity ‘monsters’.
Queen Consort Elonia could’ve paid for health insurance for 27 929 Americans for a year with the $250 million they ploughed into buying the presidency. Turns out they were always out for themself not you.
First Lady Elonia’s unearned, grifted $500+ bill would cover all the known 26 million uninsured Americans for 2 yrs. It could’ve treated Jordan Neely’s schizophrenia & prevented him from encountering undue force & his untimely & unjust slaughter. It could have helped a lot of people: but he won’t.
While none of us should be championing this violence, it’s understandable that some find extremity is the only way to shake the world into change. It’s not surprising when people feel hopeless about the future anyway. Those who are properly elected can’t even make the changes they ran to impact.
Both deserve jail. First one had training knew when to let up but didn't second one literally went after a specific person. No comparison other than being white. First is a victim of moment/circumstance and second was premeditated. Why are you trying to offer these two for a story?
I am more interested in understanding why or what triggers young white men to believe that they have to be the protector of us and at all costs- even taking the life of another? 🤔
The one that got found not guilty for killing a black man is insane and is only gonna get worse in the next 4 years and Luigi is not the killer he’s the fall guy imo
Riiiight. Penny is only free because a black man died. It had nothing to do with Neely threatening to kill everyone on the train that day. It had nothing to do with the drugs in his system or his mental illness. Right?
If Penny was black you wouldn’t even give it a second thought.
Let’s see one killed a homeless man… soooo big piece of shit.
The other killed a multimillionaire over his mother being denied/delayed access to critical healthcare that she jumped through multiple hoops to even attempt to obtain…
I have no capacity for sympathy towards the rich. #upvsdown
I have to admit, part of me hoped the CEO killer would not be caught. I think they will have trouble finding a jury who hasn’t been harmed by the for profit health care industry.
One guy chokeholds to death killing a poor, homeless, defenseless black person who hurt no one; the other kills a multimilionaire CEO of a multibillion dollar company who refused medical care to suffering policyholders bc.. PROFITS. One killer is a 'hero' the other a 'murderer'. Hmmmm. You decide.
Both are wrong for the deprivation of the life of another. The overall public reaction to one brings to mind the reaction to the Simpson verdict, but whiter. The reaction to the other brings to mind the reaction from the masses of growing income inequality and the constant rise of corporate greed.
The first killed a mentally ill homeless man who was verbally threatening the train but who knows if he was an actual danger? We do know there were less lethal ways to apprehend him. He got off scot free
The second killed a heartless man who let millions die or suffer for money-Why are they compared
Rather than merely disabling the threat, Penny became the threat. It wasn't the only way to ensure public safety. In fact, while presumably trying to prevent violence, Penny inflicted lethal violence himself - which arguably makes him no better than the person he subdued.
When someone threatens to kill you and is acting in a very violent manner, you have the right to defend yourself. You don’t have to wait for them to strike first.
Glad Luigi M's a rich, educated crmnl instead of a poor blue-collar 1 cuz he's the kinda crmnl tht cld totly b Prsidnt 1 day! Hvng such strng exmpls n the WhiteHouse'll be SO hlpfl 2 all the yung, asprng crmnls jst strtng 2 figre out the uniq kinda prdtrs, frods, conmn & conwmn they're hopng 2 bcom!
Glad Luigi M's a rich, educated crmnl instead of a poor blue-collar 1 cuz he's the kinda crmnl tht cld totly b Prsidnt 1 day! Hvng such strng exmpls n the WhiteHouse'll be SO hlpfl 2 all the yung, asprng crmnls jst strtng 2 figre out the uniq kinda prdtrs, frods, conmn & conwmn they're hopng 2 bcom!
I notice companies are fined for causing irreparable harm to the American people but settlement never goes to American people. I strongly suggest that this payment be banked and once per year send a check to every American on record to make up for the harm that has been unwittingly done to them.
Politics has nothing to do with it. Poor black lives don’t matter. Rich white lives do. Had the subway killer been black he would have been convicted. If the United Health killer has been black he would’ve “resisted” during his arrest and been shot dead.
If the roles were reversed, the white victim would have been a “troubled young man” and the black vigilante would have “resisted” arrest and been killed by the cops.
All we can do is hope our justice system prevails. Although the recent ruling is very concerning. Not to mention the shift in our court system to putting an additional blindfold on justice for white people.
Stop lying Don! Daniel Penny did NOT kill that "homeless man" -- check the autopsy. You are showing your ignorance. Just like you in calling Trump a "convicted felon" -- which is not, by the way, according to law.
I disagree. I’m a liberal and I believe Penny was correct in his actions. Both the system, and his family, failed Neely long before that incident.
Anyone who’s been attacked in the subway would agree
So he deserved to be killed? Are yall okay, He was unarmed and he wasn't hurting anyone because he was restrained and yet he deserved to be restrained to the point of death bc well his family failed him. Yall are sick ppl.
The one who murdered a black homeless man got away with murder because the victim was a voiceless man and the second one( a hero to me) allegedly murdered a millionaire so most likely he’s going to be found guilty.
Uh they shouldn't be in the same picture. Penney was trying to help people while Luigi was a flat out killer. This is why you are on Bluesky now. So you can post garbage like this.
Penny’s the villain trying to play the misunderstood antihero, but there’s no redeeming arc. Meanwhile, Mangione has the allure of a dangerous rebel—hot, bold, and unapologetically shaking the system. One gets the headlines; the other becomes a cultural obsession. Mangione is Trump 1980.
If Penny was a black female police officer, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Let’s say she had to put Neely in a chokehold to subdue him because he was threatening to kill everyone and she needed to wait for backup. Then Neely had a heart attack. Should she be charged with manslaughter?
How is Penny the villain, other than to black people and white liberal women? He was a man riding the subway minding his own business until an unstable person threatened to kill everyone. People were scared for their lives. He subdued the actual threat. You think Penny wanted to kill him?
The only difference between Penny and Luigi is that one killed a Black man......He's Free and being treated like a star and Luigi killed a White man and probably will spend most of life in Prison. One life matter and one life don't🥲
both are guilty of murder and should face consequences. i’m skeptical that a New York jury will convict Mangione, but if they do, it’s a sad statement that he will finally get free health care.
Killing homeless people is wrong and disgusting! Killing men who are mass murderers for profit and gain is some honorable shit. Not all hero’s wear capes!
The color of the victim is irrelevant. The color of the accused is irrelevant. If either* deliberately (or thorough willful negligence) killed someone they should go to prison.
*i suspect the only innocent person is the homeless guy.
I stand with the hero that protected the ppl of all races on the subway. I would never stand with a coward that shoots someone in the back. He is definitely a yellow bellied coward!
One murdered a man who wasn't a direct threat to anyone around him, and the other is a hero who stopped a lunatic from possibly murdering people who weren't a threat to anyone... Once again by Donald Lemon, failure of truthful journalism.
They both did the wrong thing - used excessive force and killed. Context and backstories can blur objectivity and facts, as can subconscious prejudice and perceived ‘character’ of offender vs the victim. Murder is murder; a victim is a victim. We let feelings confuse facts too often.
That CEO reported to another CEO in same company, a board, investors...etc. who have equal or higher levels of responsibility. Other insurance companies, hospitals, others are also part of the same system. I get the anger with the system, but murdering people is not ok? Where do we draw the line?
Don, it’s just as plain as the nose on your face! It’s the unmitigated disasters of the justice system here in the United States of America. Like so many of our laws and judicial systems they continue to fail us. The Tale of Two Americas!!!
The first one is a murderer and should be in prison. The second one is only guilty of self defense on behalf of all the people past, present, and future who the ceo killed, and should be freed.
It’s not about politics, it’s about right and wrong. Luigi is a cold blooded killer, who killed a man for No Reason, Penny stopped a raging lunatic from hurting anyone on the subway. See the difference
I think America has no moral compass. The country elected a criminal. Why is it surprising as a whole the country is having difficulty with the concept of right and wrong?
Personally, I think the first guy had some good intentions, and an ill but violent man is dead... and the second guy hasn't been proven, but a legally sanctioned killer is dead.
I shan't mourn for the second victim— denial of mental health care may have helped kill the first.
Why must we distinguish between these people. Both found themselves dealing with a failing health care system that places profits over people. Each person responded differently. Still two people are dead, and the lives of two other people have been deeply and irreversibly affected.
Excellent point. I think chock holding somebody to death should land you on death row. That poor man didn’t kill anybody. He needed help not have some jerk deliberately kill him and get away with it?
Yes, the person in the picture will be my president in just over a month. Not you pretending to be him on a FAKE account. He has his own platform. Why would he be on here?
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The photo on the left did not murder anyone. The one on the right might have, TBD.
Truth teller
if your daughter or mom or husband, we’re on that train would you Check your political identity before instinctively being thankful someone intervened on a crazy person who could’ve killed them and threatened to do so
If you have to resort to the “Help me Mommy” strategy to defend yourself, then YOU ARE NOT FIT TO DEFEND THIS NATION. And you certainly shouldn’t lead the Defense department. He won’t be respected, at home or abroad — which puts America at risk.
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He was trained to deal with issues the way he handled it.
I am sorry for the loss of life.
Life in the civilian is mentally though. He needs mental health treatment and support.
He maybe psychologically messed up. Hopefully, all angles will be looked into before judging him.
No one with a healthy/clear mind will do what he did.
Not really political
I won’t celebrate either. But one planned it and the other responded to an event.
The other killed a rich man; he’s getting thrown to the wolves.
No politics here. Just reality.
If Penny was black you wouldn’t even give it a second thought.
The other killed a multimillionaire over his mother being denied/delayed access to critical healthcare that she jumped through multiple hoops to even attempt to obtain…
I have no capacity for sympathy towards the rich. #upvsdown
The second killed a heartless man who let millions die or suffer for money-Why are they compared
Anyone who’s been attacked in the subway would agree
The other put an end to actual intentional mass murder for profit. Luigi is a hero and hot.
*i suspect the only innocent person is the homeless guy.
Penny was right to intervene. However, we have the manslaughter law for a reason, and he killed that man accidently: manslaughter.
Once again our founding sins are writ large: the law protects wealthy white men.
I shan't mourn for the second victim— denial of mental health care may have helped kill the first.