I get the point of all the "whether or not Elon *actually did* a sieg heil, he knew how it would be interpreted" takes, but I just need it on record that yes, yes he did, there was no ambiguity, did it twice to make sure we saw it, and anyone saying "maybe he meant something else" is full of shit - ThreadSky

innuendostudios.bsky.social • 32 days ago

I get the point of all the "whether or not Elon *actually did* a sieg heil, he knew how it would be interpreted" takes, but I just need it on record that yes, yes he did, there was no ambiguity, did it twice to make sure we saw it, and anyone saying "maybe he meant something else" is full of shit

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innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

like I get you're trying to show you're right *regardless* of the facts, but the facts are obvious, were obvious on purpose, and no one was confused

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

feels like "I don't need the facts to be right" is ceding a bigger point that you're willing to admit, and the "maybe I didn't just see that with my own eyes" crowd is not gonna be won over by your well-reasoned second argument

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

what are we doing here folks

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

normalize telling people to shut the fuck up

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

what a year this week has been

toothsweet.bsky.social•32 days ago

Tired of weeks where decades happen tbh, i want a decade where a week happens

knilb.bsky.social•32 days ago

And it’s only Tuesday

stuff31.bsky.social•32 days ago

Never has that old turn of phrase been more apt.

lorddimwitflathead.bsky.social•32 days ago

Normalize punching people in the teeth

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

unfortunately I can't do that over bluesky

jsharrold.bsky.social•32 days ago

It was very freeing when I realized that none of these losers believe a goddamn word they're saying, and I don't need to waste time arguing with them.

orvil-pym.bsky.social•32 days ago

I see your point, and I feel your frustration, however unfortunately there are a bunch of liberals who have convinced themselves that it was just some unfortunately awkward gesture of "sending his heart" (or some such idiocy). Genuine, theoretically we'll-meaning liberals, not actually Nazis (cont.)

orvil-pym.bsky.social•32 days ago

... or Elon-stans. And unfortunately it's a sensible estimate that there are currently far too few for revolution or Dem party reform or electoral reform or anything without swaying a solid portion of those liberals to move to the left. (To be super oversimplifying, of course.) Assuming this (cont.)

orvil-pym.bsky.social•32 days ago

... is so, we can either convince them that Elon is a conscious, intentional Nazi, or he's such an idiot that he's a massive danger even if you give him the benefit of the doubt. (We're regularly doing this dance about Trump and almost every other right wing a$$hole.) And I'm not sure if (cont.)

orvil-pym.bsky.social•32 days ago

... it's tactically worse to grant that he _may_ have done it unintentionally, than to lose them on their _moronic_ "but you can't be sure" formality/civility obsession.

innuendostudios.bsky.social•32 days ago

those liberals are not well-meaning, any confusion about what they saw is self-inflicted, they are refusing to see the truth and no amount of arguing will sway them

orvil-pym.bsky.social•32 days ago

Do you know that? I'd love to toss them overboard, if we had a vast revolutionary army behind us. But as things stand, we don't. Considering what's at stake, it seems a bit cavalier - if not smug, tbh - to just give up on potential allies because they're annoying.

sariasayan.bsky.social•2 days ago

It feels absurd. If he knew it would be seen as a sieg heil and did it anyways, then he knew it WAS a sieg heil and didn't see a problem with that, therefore it was a sieg heil, period.

sariasayan.bsky.social•2 days ago

I really don't see any message he could have wanted to pass that had no other way of being passed than "so close to a sieg heil you'd think it's one" 🤦‍♀️

Come on. He did a sieg heil. He wanted to. And he also wanted to see people find him excuses because they're not ready to accept he just did that.

sariasayan.bsky.social•2 days ago

I mean he barely even defended himself ! He lets people find him excuses, he does not care that people think he did a sieg heil, because he did one *on purpose*.

Like, if anyone mistakenly thought I did a gesture that hateful I'd be out there putting my whole energy into setting the record straight

sariasayan.bsky.social•2 days ago

The simple fact that he is passively letting people believe he did a sieg heil is for me yet another proof that it's exactly what he did, and he knew it.

hollowmatron.bsky.social•32 days ago

There were even people doing it right back to him in the audience. They knew, too. We all know what we saw, and anyone saying otherwise should be told to fuck right off and never be taken seriously on anything.

broman.dev•32 days ago

“no he didn’t” isn’t worth arguing with, like you’re arguing the sky is red

godofcloud9.bsky.social•32 days ago

He did, thinking he could play it off, and I think it's going to work. Disgusting.

char0lastra.bsky.social•32 days ago

This event and its ensuing discourse is almost certainly being used to cover up something far more sinister happening in the background

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