5thturtle.bsky.social
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(sorry, alt text should read “representing a new leash on life,” obviously)
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Yeah. Even if you’re causing problems & pissing folk off, it’s only b/c, say, the Biden admin won’t effectively address the Palestinian genocide. Whether folk knew about that b4, or care about it for the right reasons now, enough protests makes it everyone’s problem.
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Depends. If you mean Jesus’s teachings, sure. If you mean the movement, it’s pretty in line w/ most of it since Constantine. Maybe not Muntzer, Winstanley, Tolstoy, et al, though.
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Yeah, I tried talking w/ him too & he’s got nothing compelling to say. Maybe he’s just frustrated about Palestine & lashing out, so I’m not gonna engage more. But sorry for weighing in, wasn’t trying to dogpile you along w/ whatever he was trying to accomplish.
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Probably it ought to be enough to say the censorship is anti-Palestinian, & ignore the obviously bad faith claims of antisemitism. But it’s unclear what approach makes a difference.
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& the student arguing it’s *because* of their Judaism (centering Jewishness) makes the strongest case for anti-Zionism not being antisemitic.
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It’s centering Jewish identity against the claim that anti-Zionism’s antisemitic, b/c that’s the grounds being used to shut down protests & persecute protestors. Maybe saying “some of them are Jewish” isn’t the best defense against charges of antisemitism, but it’s not Zionist.
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2nd, a kind of antisemitism. Finding anti-Zionist Jews contra the shared antisemitic & Zionist assumption, “Jews = Zionism/the state of Israel,” already takes that assumption as a rule in its focus on finding exceptions to the rule. Both might be unfortunate but necessary side effects, though.
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Don’t know I’d phrase it the same as the other poster, but I can see how prioritizing Jewish anti-Zionists on the topic does evince 2 inadvertent kinds of bigotry. It seems to answer “who’s the moral authority here” w/ “the ethnic group Zionism centers, of course.”
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But in truth, it’s not hypocrisy. It’s like an atheist telling a Christian they should or shouldn’t do something because the Bible says. They aren’t betraying their own philosophical commitments by playing off someone else’s.
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Yeah. Free speech & being against antisemitism are things Liberals are supposed to care about, so it’s rhetoric the Right uses on them. Like when they reference MLK, despite hating him. It’s actual virtue signaling/political correctness.
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For a counterpoint, read Jonah, where the punchline is G-d chiding the prophet for lacking mercy for all the repentant cows in his vengefulness.
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It’s a fictional account of killing off slavers’ heirs from the POV of the enslaved. & follows the same slavers killing off a generation of the enslaved Hebrews’ children. & in a multivocal compilation w/ different characterizations of G-d.
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You waste effort on holdouts instead of rationally pushing the administration. & if their vote is a bargaining chip, it’s not rational for them to guarantee it w/o securing demands. If you think they don’t hold that leverage, it’s irrational to bother w/ them.
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Folk who’re protesting Biden over Palestine don’t know less than you. They aren’t low-info swing voters or apoliticals. You have no new info. They’ll either vote for him of their own accord or won’t. Or he moves on the issue, giving incentive.
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You could get similar results if you were the only one who could drive a car. Kids in far-off countries checking both ways for you, the only driver.
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So, sorry for the fire hose, but simple answers here have been misleading. Which is the problem under discussion, & not easily remedied through a skeet. Like, what I said about sex as a social construct is oversimplified. Hence the book rec.
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& also obviously expression is mutable, but ID can be fluid too. It just can’t be reliably, externally controlled. What I esp. like about the Serano explainer is the emphasis that trans folk happen in different ways, none of them “wrong.”
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Sure, though the 2nd rec was to muddy the waters on the difference. Modern medical sexing was largely invented to lend scientific legitimacy to gender roles. Sex is bodily, but also part of the social construct of gender. & expression (& probably ID) are partly bodily, too.
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Also try reading Leah DeVun’s “The Shape of Sex” for the historical development of it.
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Here’s Julia Serano on it: youtu.be/ZymYiwoRoC0?...
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Oh man. I agree your post wasn’t especially ambiguous, but I read it totally differently. Thought you were talking about owning your own IP as an artist.
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Think folk get mixed up on senses of “performative.” Butler meant gender was performative as in “performative speech” (an umpire saying “you’re out” in baseball enacts what it says) not the sense used for “performative allyship.”
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Being scum?
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The complaint’s not even coded, it’s explicitly bigoted. Do only straight white conservative guys have distinct viewpoints from each other?
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Jesus gave the example of a son who brown-noses but disobeys, & a son who bad-mouths & complains but ultimately obeys, & said the latter was preferable. So that’s a distinction between kinds of respect.
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Think the folk who composed the text would have seen them as mostly synonymous, though again there’s early complications presented, & it certainly doesn’t stay a static idea in Judaism or Christianity.
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But also, the Hebrew Bible already presents these complications. Rachel’s met with narrative comeuppance for stealing her father’s idols.
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He’s saying how are you supposed to obey your parents & worship only the Christian god if your parents want you to practice a different religion. Ignoring that they’re commandments for 1st millennium BCE Jews, & not a globally proselytizing Christianity.
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I’m leaning in. I wanna hear this guy out.
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Sea people = “outside agitators”
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youtu.be/QW06pWHTeNk?...
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Well: is called the messiah; self-sacrifices to overcome sin universally; becomes ruler of earth; & grants everyone eternal life. So…
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Maybe not Chapelle’s intent, but transphobia developed in part to justify anti-Blackness, & the policing of gender that follows transphobia falls harder on Black folk.
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🙄
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She funds & platforms folk who do call for their deaths. She called trans folk Death Eaters, after her Nazi analogue. Wrote a book about trans women “invading women’s spaces” to murder.
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You’re willing to extend her grace for getting aggressive w/ her detractors, but not trans folk getting aggressive in response to her attacks & funding of hate groups. Your sympathies lie w/ the wrong party.
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So colonization by the English & despoiling of the highlands retroactively didn’t happen to folk in Scotland, wasn’t the point of wars for independence, b/c a Scot inherited the throne & oversaw them settling elsewhere? I know they were colonizers. That was my point.
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If Biden needs the pro-Palestinian vote, that’s a whole demo. You don’t get all of it by nagging each holdout. If he addresses their grievance, that gives them all reason to vote for him.
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Again, the folk you’re talking to know Trump’s also anti-Palestinian. You’ve no new persuasive argument to make to them. Your beef’s w/ Biden if you want him to persuade them.
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Conversely, if you don’t want/need their votes, then again, you’ve nothing to say to them.
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If their votes stop Trump, & Trump wins w/o them, you’d best get Biden to earn their votes.
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From what I’ve seen, all of the boycotting’s been protests about Palestine. Biden’s anti-Palestinian, & they’re facing genocide. Seems like an entirely reasonable objection. Get him to stop committing a genocide against them.
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You’ve nothing to say to Biden-boycotting Leftists. You want their votes, but they’re at least as informed as you. They’re not swing voters or apolitical types. Either you get Biden to court them, or they decide to vote for him on their own.
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I was agreeing w/ you that Israel isn’t so peculiar.
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Except it sometimes is. Scots displaced the northern Irish after being displaced by the Brits, & again the Scots-Irish displaced Natives in the US. Or local ethnic hierarchies get set up by colonizers, like the Belgians did w/ Rwanda.
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All the old ladies w/ blue hair I know are gay.
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Conservatism has no place in proper politics. It’s been allowed one b/c of the content-neutral stance of Liberalist pluralism, which has caused the proliferation of fascism.