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I mean....a lot of them? Like a lot of the people on the right.
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Thats kind of a bad example. There will not be a top down purging of american society the way we got.
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Where are you from?
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A reliable longterm Partner for us either. If the US Manages to safe itself its pretty likely the old Nato Block will realign. Its not going to Look the same as before but i think it will happen (again, provided the US does not turn into a consolidated authoritarian regime).
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We are somewhat at a loss for good alternatives. There is no going back to the Status quo ante, but we (europe, i am german) frankly dont have the strength to make our own way easily and we and a democratic US have a common interest in shaping World affairs. And its not as if China would be
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You may. The economic and natural Position and Ressource advantages of the US is insane. And while the american lead World order is gone, i do think Nato still has significant communality of interest...if we can beat back fascism.
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Hang on to that thought and revisit it in a decade :).
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Every empire is fragile if the Center is stupid enough and this was not an empire but a hegemony so they are extra fragile against themselves.
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And like Rome its extremely self inflicted
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Hmmm...also man kann Präsident des mächtigsten Landes der Erde werden und gleichzeitig die eigene Wählerschaft so auf linie bringen, dass man die Verfassung untergraben kann.
Das man mit Lügen nichts erreicht ist einfach falsch.
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There will be. The Main question is how rigged it will be. Rigging elections from the federal government is kinda Hard and risky.
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And then the entire modern system with Planes and Tanks was mostly developed out of a desire to not do the Trenchstalemate again.
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Thats also kinda unfaire though because technology, tactics etc dont change as quickly in the pre industrial era.
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By causing the Trench stalemate in worldwar 1 which was everyone realising all previous doctrines were worthless all at once
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Prompted the developement of the modern tactical system based on rapid maneuver and combined Arms.
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I mean...kinda? And eh. Atomic bombs had an impact more on strategy than tactics.
If we actually want to by strength AND SPEED of impact the objectively real answer is high explosive indirect fire artillery. Its what in the span of 25 years totally invalidated massed infantry as a tactic and
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And if we are allowed to use such a case the answer is really "Pack behaviour".
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The issue is that thok is not actually a modern human.
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Interestingly not immediately.
I would have gone with "agriculture" myself.
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Yep. Was just a point. (I deeply hope it does not come to that).
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But if you are going for an insurgency the tactics and approaches are very different than for a protest. What you should not do is do a protest, then cosplay as an insurgency because that is both going to turn the public against you, while also having basically no hope of winning on the field.
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To be entirely clear: i think effectively any amount of violence is acceptable to prevent the lasting transition into a consolidated fascist state. Up to and including violent insurgency. This is not about morality, its about what will be effective in the current climate.
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Everyone reading this can personally try to hold back. And mostly its going fine so far
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For all their flaws and how imperfectly they implemented their Vision, americas founders would have Zero issues understanding what is currently happening. Trump is exactly the sort of tyrant they tried to proof their republic against. If you are genuinely conservative in the us you cant be maga.
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(Christian, uncomfortable with gay marriage, pro guns, generally anti welfare state, generally sceptical about alternatives to patriarchical family structures and gender norms) and who still understand that a government ignoring checks, Balance and due process is an existential threat. Hell...
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Tbh not necessarily. The United states has a strong republican and individual rights tradition that is a fundamental Part of its political history. Which is enough to be opposed to the regime. Maga is a revolutionary movement.
You can be (and i know some folks who are) legitimately conservative...
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The Main question going forward will be if the rest of america plays Ball with their plan or not.
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Yes. He still used non violence as a specific Tool.
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I mean mobilizing people allready onboard with you definitly is a function too (though that too is messaging to the public, you can put them off as much as Mobilize them).
And i would say more like...a persuasive example.
I do btw think the Protests in LA are mostly doing this well.
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Lets say its the only one this particular one is going to.
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Honestly this is more of a "things to keep personally in mind when your in a protest". The fact that they are not centrally organized means central planning is not a thing.
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Because messaging to the public is the only way a protest actually creates Momentum towards its desired outcome.
And as for why they should worry about that...i assume because they dont want to live in a consolidated fascist state? That really sucks.
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I mean if you dont think we can Wrest a majority back from the fascists then you ought to either leave the country or prepare for an insurgency. Its really one of the three.
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Which means in the given case, interfereing with their ability to Arrest people. If their detention and Deportation machine runs smoothly they have no reason the beat down Protests.
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They will need to impose enough friction to actually make them use force.
For the civil right protesters this was somewhat easy because the plethora of racist laws gave them plenty illegal things to do the police felt like it needed to stop. You need to find an activity they cant just ignore.
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Of Arrests is a thing you should do because it is right and the weight of moral duty compells you.
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This is predicated on the idea that it will work. That there are infact enough people in the us who care enough about Immigrants that there is a level of force seen as illegitimate.
And the counter, of course, as you noted in a big picture sense in one earlier post, is that resisting these kinds..
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Then you prepare to go down fighting while inflicting as much damage as you can.
Thats not a protest though. Thats an insurgency with hopes of a civil war and you should decide early on which of the two you are doing because they have very different approaches.
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Unless you are willing to do monsterously cruel things you wont get these people back. Because no matter how badly you treat non White people, you wont compete with "deporting people with no due process to third World horror prison camps".
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To be entirely honest i am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the issue is that about a third or so of your population have a comittedly, if not fascist, then atleast fascist adjacent worldview who mainly want monsterously cruel things...
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Tbh, Nixon was a fucking Amateur at illegality. Like...i would have taken Nixon over both candidates last election.
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I dont think you will get a nuanced historically literate conversation here.
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CK and Vicky get you stoned in the paradox community.
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This would Spiral quickly into a discussion of the wider arc of human history. One way or another we are about to see the end of american hegemony and emergence of a multi polar World. Both in cultural and political terms. I think we will not like it at all.
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Towards anyone else necessarily.
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I actually think american influence was a net positive in the World but thats a separate discussion.
You can be both republican minded and brutally imperialist. Look at rome, or Athens or the later time of the british empire.
Wanting Limits on government power internally does not imply goodwill
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I mean so was the entire upper and middle class of every european society. They were noticeably less authoritarian and more comitted to universalist ideals than the average.
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If they lived today we they would have grown up in todays Environment so we have no real idea what their politics would be.
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Also then more wars of Expansion.
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Yes. I think you can be both appreciative of the New concept and Vision america represented and how badly and incompletely the idea was executed. In fact you kinda have to. And i think its worth shouting from the rooftops that Maga is not actually conservative.