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I am not a huge fan so I am ignorant about her new music and era, but this era is reminding me a lot of when Gaga first became popular. I am loving all of it. 🔥
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Nah. I ain't about that part of the BeyHive. When people start insulting people in arguments, it is just useless on both ends. I really think aside from any bias, we do have a disconnect on how a song or album can be justified under a specific genre. That is my best guess here. This was fun 😆
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Hahaha Very
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I mean maybe you don't think so, but there is absolutely a trend of artists attempting to have a different sound and it failing miserably. Beyonce has managed to do it so successfully album after album. I can't escape my bias, but I genuinely can't see how it is not ground breaking
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And that is totally okay. I wanted to dive deeper into it. I think there is still a misunderstanding somewhere, but this has been interesting nonetheless.
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Well only 1 was a direct cover, the other was obviously Jolene but completely rewritten. And it is ahead of its time, because no one is combining genres to that extent. She has wins in the most genres for that very reason.
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Ok so then because it is not 100% country sounding, it doesn't deserve Best Country Album. This is where art is really interesting, because it can be changed. Her using the foundation as country music and giving a lesson on the genre is definitely enough in my book.
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Interesting. Cowboy Carter may have some pop, but it also has country, it has opera, it has hip hop, it has R&B. So now using Beyonce as the example, how would you award it? Country was very clearly the foundation of it and inspiration. I think this genre bending is just to ahead of its time for you
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Hahaha I think you are failing to understand my attempt to generalize. Forget Beyonce and her album. In general, you are taking into account other things outside of the music to define that music.
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Again, ignoring Beyonce. She blended genres, so yes, Cowboy Carter is not purely Country. But if any artist does a different genre, you think it isn't actually that genre since they didn't start out that way.
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Okay, correct me if I am wrong, but I think I am understanding the disconnect here. You don't seem to acknowledge music on its own as music, but rather by who creates the music and why. This isn't what makes genres of music, but you are far from the only one.
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Hypothetically, even if this wasn't Beyonce. Why is a country song or album NOT country because the artist didn't start country?
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You stated earlier that Dolly released a Rock album. Under your logic, this wouldn't be a rock album then because Dolly is known for country. So the rock album is only eligible for country category awards?
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Her background is music at this point. But going along with it: I fail to recognize how, even if the album were claimed to be a country album, why the album/music would be any less country on its own merit just because the artist did not start her career with country music?
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I mean I see that still as an incorrect mentality. Again, maybe biased, but while the two arguments are different, I think they are equally incorrect. And besides, as I said, Beyonce isn't trying to be country anyways. She is very much avoiding being 1 thing.
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I mean that is nothing new for the media. Much like why you think a country artist is one that does only country, our society is very set on an artist/album have to be one genre. So when someone goes against these rules, people don't know how to classify it.
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Correct lol. If there was a Best "blended genre" album award, I am sure it would qualify under that. But she, herself is not trying to be a country artist, nor did she claim it to be a country album.
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Interesting. Claiming false victory definitely isn't new with Trump, so that I can easily believe. Then another perspective I am curious about: While they agreed under Biden, was anything actually being done? And now Trump has found a way to force them to take act on their pledge?
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It is, however, influenced and inspired by Country. It is a history lesson, reminding us who started Country music even though today it is predominantly a white space. But if you listen to all of it, you will realize it is not 100% country. She blends genres as always.
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Oh so this goes back to this ideology of "a real country artist only does country." She is very against being one thing or doing one genre, so she is just ahead of the times for some people. In her defense, she said herself this is NOT a country album.
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Oh please, you do not owe me an apology. I am a HUGE supporter of the idea that not everyone has to like an artist or album. Awards are not given to projects only I like. But I guess knowing how deep this album goes myself, I can see how deserving it is.
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I mean that is definitely another point I disagree with. I definitely has bias and I acknowledge that. But facts alone, Beyonce is literally from Texas. Her and many of her ancestors are Country. I don't understand why she still faces backlash of not really being Country.
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Interesting. So under no scenario do you believe Beyoncé truly won on the merit of the album. This was all fear and.... guilt I guess? Or maybe just fear...
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I mean there is no denying Jay and Diddy at least used to be very close. And trust me when I say I could care less about Jay himself, but Beyoncé has done her time with so many losses. I think it is not a coincidence she finally wins and arguments like this still come up trying to dismiss the win.
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Okay. Apologies then. This stance though is very odd to me. Of course, you are allowed to your thoughts and I genuinely am not trying to change your mind. I was curious about the logic though since I have seen this argument more than once.
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It still doesn't add up to me. Why after 25 years of her career, 8 solo albums are they finally "scared enough" to give her the biggest award of the night? I mean Lemonade got a whole Peabody and still lost AOTY. This isn't just me saying it deserved to win because I think it is good.
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She is very meticulous absolutely, but this is where you haters become comical. She announced the tour well before the Grammy Award show. So already, I am questioning how much more you think you know?
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This was also discussed in the intro The Weekend got right before his performance; Beyoncé is not the only BLACK artist snubbed by the Grammys Academy. Genuinely asking for logic: If they are so scared, why is she barely getting her first AOTY? 🤔
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Interesting take. I keep hearing this argument involving Jay-Z and am genuinely confused by it. It was shared during the live show that the academy voters were finally changed and more diversified. It seems pretty clear the real reason why she finally won AOTY.
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I found out that Trump has used the threat of tariffs before. Could it be just a strategic bluff to invoke alternatives? It seems like Canada and Mexico caved to avoid the tariffs. Sure, China isn't so I guess it didn't work 100%, but just trying to see some objectivity on this topic....
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Oh, it was not directed at you. I took your post as generally speaking about general people. Sorry for the confusion.
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You are absolutely correct. Was just sharing some perspective. Not that you wrong about racism being a factor.
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A pet-peeve of mine I have learned is the mentality of "I don't like it, so it is inferior and undeserving." Like please think a little. 😭
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For me, it raises the question of relevancy. I love when my friends say how bad the album is, because (1) they struggle to remember even the album name, and (2) I had no control over her win and I am a huge fan. Why do you think your statement changes anything? She still got AOTY. 😂
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Obviously, race can be a factor, and I absolutely don't doubt it is. But I also think it is just as dangerous to always believe it is due to race. Music itself is subjective; There are black artists and legends I do not like, and not because of their skin. People are allowed to not like your fave.
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I actually saw her walk in, next I hear her name. I thought it was hilarious. Beyonce would time it perfectly. I dont think people realized this when seeing her shock on her face. I literally laughed knowing she JUST had sat down. 😂
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Of course, all of this in addition to the normal Beyonce hate and people wanting to "be different," and disagree that an artist can really conquer and be good at MULTIPLE genres, and all the fake fans or haters who don't keep up with Bey and her art, and so on and so on.
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Honestly, music is super subjective. Some people genuinely think they need to understand and relate personally to the music for it to be "good;" Some feel like if they have no urge to want to listen to the music on repeat, it isn't "good." So this type of argument really should not surprise anyone.
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Oh I didn't think of only albums nominated for AOTY. I was thinking AOTY worthy albums hahaha In that regard, I understand now
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Not including 4 is crazy lol. But herstory nonetheless. 👑
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So long overdue. I still feel the injustice done for her Self-Titled album and Lemonade, but Cowboy Carter is just a deserving. Congratz to the Queen of Music. @ Beyonce
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Haha Well actually, if you watched any of the show, you would know they finally changed their Academy voters to be more diverse. So, this album for being as black and country as it is, was finally one that could be seen and understood by the academy.
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Taylor gave her best country album. The firefighters gave her AOTY :)
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I definitely noticed. These performances are not disappointing at all. Grammys stepped it up 🔥👏👏👏