lmacneill.bsky.social
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As long as you promise to make your OF name “Steve Booty”.
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Its not even like Steve disagrees that Poilievre is worse either lol
All these particular Liberal supporters are doing is making it less likely that progressives will accept the “lesser of two evils argument” the next time around.
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Dems have always been a bunch of spineless do-nothings. There are a few notable exceptions like AOC but don’t expect the leadership to do anything that requires actual pushback.
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Me neither. This fucking app doesn’t help either when every other reply (not you) is someone literally screeching at me in the DMs cause I didn’t use their exactly preferred terminology.
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*your
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Fair, you’re original comment could have been interpreted otherwise, but it could have been an issue on my end too so Im not casting blame either way. Apologies for confusion/unintended hostility on my end.
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Im genuinely going over each comment in our chain and Im kind of at a loss for what our original disagreement is tbh. Can you please point out what I said that made you think I disagreed with you (I dont) on this matter?
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Yeah and thats totally reasonable and I agree with that? Where exactly in my original comment did I imply that wasn’t true or a non factor, Im very confused why you started off with a semi-argumentative tone..
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Feel free to elaborate then, Ill wait
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Im not trying to “win” anything, I simply stated I did not get that from your original comment. I never said anything about dismissing your knowledge in a very important field so I have no idea where you got that from
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What you are describing is arguably more so a result of social isolation (largely b/c of large houses in suburbia which discourage community connections being seen as the “default” for upper class status). Its a set of unique problems thats adjascent to but seperate from working class decline
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I am more than happy to engage in what you are talking about, but I did not interpret your original comment as wanting to have a separate unrelated dialogue about the phenomena you are talking about, which is more-so a problem among upper-middle class suburbanites who are close to or at retirement
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The original subject of the thread was literally about material conditions affecting political attitudes. You are injecting with something else entirely and acting shocked when I cant follow along because Im going off the assumption we are talking about whats being discussed
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If wages have kept pace with productivity and cost of living, then we literally wouldn’t be in this conversation right now. You are essentially ceding to the notion that the only one who decides your economic worth are CEOs which is an incredibly harmful attitude to have.
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Dismissing economic decline by comparing it to patriarch attitudes is being extremely disingenuous. Are you saying that factory workers don’t deserve to have an adequate standard of living and should just “learn to code”? Because frankly attitudes like that are exactly whats increasing the divide
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Resistance to change only becomes politicized when large chunks of voters feel like their concerns aren’t being acknowledged by the status quo.
If you are working the same job as your father, where he could afford a house and you can barely pay rent, then no shit you’re gonna be resentful.
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Resistance to change happens precisely because said change has led to chunks of the population being left behind.
It’s isn’t validating racist or luddite attitudes to acknowledge that the average non-tech worker is objectively in a worse-off position than they were decades ago.
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I think theres an argument to be had that Layton leaned too hard into the electoral side of things while Singh neglected it too much in favour of (still good) policy wins.
An ideal leader going forward is someone who could combine the strengths of both, whoever that may be.
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Agreed, especially regarding the grassroots. The sheer number of centrist dems I see online still blaming literally every group but upper-middle class white people for Kamala’s loss is enough to make my f**king head spin.
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I just think that thinking in terms of morality and good vs bad in a political context is a part of how we got to this problem in the first place.
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I agree on the specific condition that we’re talking about those specific segments of American Democrats.
If we start borrowing tactics from the likes of Schumer or Jeffries we might as well just throw in the towel to the Conservatives right now.
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I agree, I just mean its not so much a matter of morality in how we treat them interpersonally (if they are being an ass then that doesn’t make you a bad person to tell them to f off) rather its simply ineffective in our ultimate goal of beating back the ideology.
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Its not even about how we treat them per se, so much as we need to understand the material conditions which led them to becoming radicalized (unchecked neoliberalism) and fight against that.
Look at how a huge chunk of Bernie and AOCs rallies in the USA are those who voted for Trump in 2024.
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You sound incredibly annoying so I'm not surprised he blocked you tbh lol
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Exactly. We can unequivocally condemn all white supremacist ideals while recognizing that we should have a different approach for bad-faith propagandists/trolls (guys like Peterson, Tate, etc) vs disaffected teenagers. Doesn't mean we should tolerate any abuse but its not a binary either.
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Im genuinely starting to believe that the left would be better off decoupling ourselves from social media and moving back to purely IRL engagement as our primary organizing space.
This shit clearly ain’t working.
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How dare you forget about us Vancouver Island seperatists. The glorious peoples army of Cascadia will never forgive this grave insult.
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At no point did I say any of that. Im saying that there are a non-discernible number of online liberals from Ontario who want to blame all of Canada’s political problems on “the west” even though a lot of the same problems which exist in Alberta politics are also present in Ontario. Thats it.
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When did I say “all Ontarian’s”? The majority of folks Ive met in that province are nice. Im talking about the economic sectors led by CEOs who want to divide and conquer to distract from their economic plundering, and the handful of online trolls who want to shift the conversation away from that
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You getting overly defensive at extremely passive criticism of Ontario is not helping your case btw
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Maybe “entire” was a tad hyperbolic. Im just saying that as a west coaster who’s spent extensive time between both provinces, there is definitely a tendency for leftwing online Ontarians to reflexively ignore their own problems and focus on Alberta/the West.
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Y’all just get to deal with mennonites instead of rig pigs. Here we get boomers who own multiple properties.
Basically its a game of pick your poison no matter which province lol.
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“My exploitative economic sectors which are increasingly fucking over everyone who isn’t uber rich are SO much better than your exploitative economic sectors” is genuinely not the flex you think it is.
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How is it a poor assessment to say that a huge chunk of your economy is dependent on the auto-sector, which it objectively is?
Did Doug Ford freak out at auto tarrifs for absolutely nothing then?
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…different from the prairies. It just seems like a lot of Ontarians want to cast aspersions at other provinces even though they arguably have the exact same problems which they refuse to acknowledge.
Also the left in Alberta (the actual left) is imo a lot better mobilized than in Ontario imo.
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Id argue thats more a consequence of Alberta politics being more polarized than anything else tbh so you just notice it more.
As a west coaster I dont really have a dog in this fight one way or another (although I never appreciate how were always lumped in with “the west” even though were….
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Sure, but next time maybe just say “rural” instead of singling out a specific region as though it’s not a Canada-wide issue. Also fyi some of the biggest right wingers in Alberta politics are usually Ontario carpetbaggers making life worse for those actually born there.
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Funny how nobody ever wants to talks about how Ontario built its entire economy on car dependency but somehow Alberta is the only problem, almost as though they need an easy target to feel better about their own situation.
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Ive spent plenty of time in Rural Ontario and its no better, don’t give yourselves too much credit.
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Congrats Philippe 👍
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I have a friend in that riding who interacted with her while door-knocking, and although she seems nice I can’t say I was too impressed by her answers. Every response to my friend’s questions was basically just “well that sucks but you shouldn’t vote split”. Not exactly inspiring.
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Possibly a hot take, but in my experience hardcore NDP partisans are way more of a detriment to their own cause than LPC partisans, and thats saying something.
Honestly it makes me mad because an ineffective NDP just means the LPC can pivot to the center without substantial pushback.
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I guess I just think theres a better way they could have handled this in terms of PR. After all, are the kind of voters who wouldn’t vote liberal because of perceived wokeness on this matter really gonna be persuaded to the degree they can make up for a dampening in support among progressives?
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If this is true, then I feel like they could have saved themselves quite a bit of headache by simply stating such. Also if the goal here was to differentiate themselves from Trudeau (which fair) I feel like reassuring voters by emphasizing past support for the issue sort of defeats the purpose.
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I understand where those sentiments come from but liberals often (conveniently) forget that Kamala lost far more support than just progressives. Every single voter bloc aside from university-educated millennial urban voters saw a massive decrease in support compared to Biden 2020.
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Steve I was okay with you criticizing Carney but your disrespect of Count Chocula is where I draw the line. You have just made an enemy for life.
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Libs when Steve criticizes Poilievre & Singh: “You are literally my favourite person ever and I want to donate my life savings to you ❤️”
Libs when Steve criticizes Carney: “You are literally Hitler and I hope your children get polio”