magnuspharao.bsky.social
- Linguist/Anthropologist
- Scholar of Nahuatl/Mexico/Uto-Aztecan
- Not an historian of ancient empire
- Occasional folk musician in pubs of Old Zealand
- Particularly emotionally invested in Danish politics
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No, I keep being pushed back on because 1. people think I advocate a global retvrn to hunting and gathering which I do not, and 2. because I try to explain people that hunter gatherers are not artefacts of the past, they live here and now. And they're often happy.
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No it is not. Modern day hunter gatherers do have toilets sometimes.
And i am aldo not a proponent of a global return to hunting and gathering as I have now told poor readers like you about 50 times.
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Snd euth that I'm your new reply guy.
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Not in general. But I for you i might make an exception...
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I am not a proponent of shitting in holes for fuck's sake
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As long as bad readers will be well represented among the unfortunate I am increasingly inclined...
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Thats the spirit!
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Exactly, they're not, because they're based on the same source of knowledge about possible human societies: anthropology.
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Ursula le guin did the Anthropological readings for you then
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Which everyone knows, most of all anthropologists, and which nevertheless does not invalidate the argument, that there are aspects of the study of their lives that can inspire and inform us about other ways of life than the one we happen to have.
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Would you be happier if you stopped beating your wife?
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Literally any
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Which i did not fucking claim, would you guys either learn to read or get off text based media ffs..
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No i dont....
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What? Are people in these threads completely unable to muster basic reading comprehension?
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100 procent of morons are morons.
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Fuck the huns, they literally have nothing to do with the argument.
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And so what? They don't have to live in complete isolation and without any commodities of capitalist production for their modes of life to be inspiring.
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Why are you assuming that that is the idea to return? I actually find it insulting that so many people here are attributing me an idea that is so stupid, and in spite of me having now stated multiple time sthat that is not what anyone is arguing.
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That has nothing to do with fact, its pure ideology, seemingly unburdened by any real knowledge of other times or cultures.
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Also hunter gatherers live in the here and now along with us, not only in the distant past.
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Why?
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This is a version of the I-phone fallacy then, "since the iphone is made with capitalism and iphones make us happy we cannot be happy with out capitalism".
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This looks to me like a sign that *you* have a hangup about nuclear power... which I assume you know is not produced by detonating nuclear arms.
The point is we don't just need energy. We need nutritious food, We need clean water. We need healthy spaces for living.
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Have we not?
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As I said, nobody here is arguing for a return to nomadic hunter gathering as an ideal future society.
Seeing that another mode of production can produce equally happy and full human lives help us see that the mode of production we exist in is not the only desirable one.
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There is a lot of energy in nuclear bombs, that doesn't mean they are a sustainable basis for human society... We consume and waste more than energy. Currently, Toilet Based Societies consume the resources of 1.7 planets per year.
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Which she sees, I believe, as having led to the current capitalist system, of unsustainable exploitation of environment and human labour.
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That is exactly the right question. And reading what Hilary says, it is clear that what she means is not that key to happiness is to hunt wild game and gather berries, but the lack of hierarchy and private property.
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It is quite clear that hunting gathering lifestyles work in small scale societies with low population densities.
I really think one would have to be a very big idiot to think that someone else is enough of an idiot to advocate that as the most desirable future for humankind.
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And no this does not mean that I want us all to be hunter gatherers and stop having sewage systems.
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I am not primarily defending a political vision here, I am just defending the main point that modern society is not the pinnacle of perfection we are often used to assuming it is. We could make a lot of things better for human life, and looking at how hunter gatherers have done that may help.
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The toilet-part came up because someone made the silly argument that if we lived in a hunter gatherer society we would carry around buckets of shit. Which is neither true nor relevant.
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I am calling for all toilet based cultures to realize that they are not the only ones that can produce human happiness.
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Cause that's not what I said ... *sigh* I ought to mute you too I guess.
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None of you both are getting anything here at all.
"Anonymous historian" said there was no evidence for anything in Lithuania prior to the hunnic invasion in 1240.
This is false there is copious archaeological "hard" evidence of cultures way back to the palaeolithic. They were not invaded by huns.
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I don't know, did he? Did you look in the replies?
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No, the issue is that you think I am advocating for an absurd societal development, when I am making no such fucking argument at all...
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Honestly, we overeducated morons are the best kind of moron.
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Ok, hvad mener så om den justitspraksis der fører til sager som den hvor Nadine står til udvisning pga af sine ytringer. Hvordan synes du det sammenligner sig med at overdøve justistministeren? Hvad er værst for demokratiet?
www.tv2fyn.dk/nordfyn/nu-r...
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www.information.dk/indland/2023...
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Den regering du støtter og som han er en del af fratager folk deres statsborgerskab for at ytre sig politisk på sociale medier. Så spar mig, plz...
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My participation was primarily:
1. to argue for the love of argument
2. to defend ethnographical and archaeological disciplinary points that were being dismissed by ignorami
3. to defend Hilary from unjust treatment by arguing that she actually has a valid point
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I feel like this whole series of long posts just led up to that point where I coined the term "Toilet Based Society" (now properly capitalized).
"Private property is bad", is definitely not one of my best ones. I should have thought about something better there.
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So my participation was primarily:
1. to argue for the love of argument
2. to defend ethnographical and archaeological disciplinary points that were being dismissed
3. to defend Hilary from unjust treatment by arguing that she actually has a valid point
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If technological development and high economic growth does not guarantee happiness, and is not even required for achieving happiness. Then that means we have more freedom to plan society to provide that which really does bring happiness.
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I believe it is important to recognize that the record of possible human societies is a lot wider than what an average internet bro believes, because recognizing that may help us recognize that there are many possible solutions to political problems and that the current path is not the only one.