sciathan.bsky.social
Traveler, now in Chicago.
Trans. Gigantic reader of politics and trashy fiction. Nerd. Professional.
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I'll work with a lot of people. But I have different goals than other people, different theories of change. So it's got to be working with, not working under.
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That sounds like the exact same patter the whole event used.
And it sounds like you reacted to conservatives using it the same way leftists react to centrists using it.
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It seems like they all are watching Starmer piss away the biggest majority Labour has ever gotten, handed to him entirely because the UK right ate itself, and decided that's exactly what they want for here.
Do they even want Democrats to vote for them? Sure doesn't seem like it.
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Good luck getting your preferences implemented by centrists then.
I hope you support the leftists who will.
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And yet, of the positions you listed, none of the people who share your self-chosen label also share those.
So I think you are in denial.
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The tacticool look came from somewhere. The people LARPing are trying to imitate something. Curious where you think the archetype comes from, if not real operators.
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And if there were no other people in the world, you'd be correct. But we live in a world where the positions you hold determine how left/right you are, not how you feel about other people with those labels.
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Or anyone like me. Yes. We know. You still complain when we don't vote for what you want.
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Ah. Pre-90s career, that would explain it.
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How, exactly, is he an 'operator'?
Because it feels like you have a completely different definition of the word than the colloquial usage.
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Then one of your statements is false, or else you don't pay much attention to reality.
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Right, but that doesn't make you any less left. It just means you are part of the leftist infighting over best implementation paths, and that's been going since before the first Internationale
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That is what I said, yes.
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No point. You aren't interested in us or what it would take to keep us in the coalition.
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Your interest in learning how to bring people together is admirable. (Sarcastic)
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Hi pot, meet kettle.
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Agree there is no need for there to be a difference, not for any political or ethical or self-justification reasons.
But if there weren't physical differences there wouldn't be mental or emotional differences, and there are.
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There was no lie about centrists. The 'you know the ones' policies that are "popular" are about trans people and immigration.
As opposed to the actually popular policies around gun control and single payer healthcare.
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I'm a materialist, so I'm of the position that of course there is a brain difference, since there is a mind difference, and the two are the same thing.
But our scanning tools have a resolution that's probably three orders of magnitude too crude to see anything.
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Surprised you trust yourself, sowing disunity like that.
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Then you are claiming 70%+ of Congress are Nazis. Is this accurate?
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Not sure if you understand what we are saying and are attempting to bloviate your way past it, or if you genuinely do not understand the term centrists.
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Schumer. Pelosi. Jeffries. Durbin. Manchin.
Your question does give the impression you have been under a rock for 20 years, fyi.
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Pity it won't work because health care is by it's nature not compatible with a market system.
Kenneth Arrow had a famous econ paper in i think 1949 about this.
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Martin Luther King's white moderates, if that makes more sense to you.
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Hate to break it to you, but the political class ARE the Democrats. They aren't the only ones, but trying to 'no true scottsman' the actual leaders of the party is a bit of a stretch.
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Do you have a centrist who supports universal healthcare and gun control in mind?
Because it really doesn't look like a straw man to me.
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Trying to pretend it doesn't exist, in the 'everyone who disagrees with me needs to shut up and support my priorities', has been the Dem leadership policy since 2016.
It's made a lot of people distrust anyone calling for unity.
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No, not really. In the same way Reagan is still relevant, maybe, but he won't be modern- he's a generation ago already.
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Yeah, it is. Literally everyone who has pushed it politically gets smeared as communist.
Even Michelle Obama got panned as loony left for trying to make school lunches healthier.
The logic 'im centrist, I support this, therefore it is centrist' only works if no one else matters.
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The left has gotten extraordinarily vicious with outsiders who might be trolling in response to 30 years of right wing demonization and trolling.
I get burned by that quite a bit myself. Always makes me sad when it happens because I'm on their side but they won't hear it.
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If that were true then we'd already have UHC and gun control. And the rich would be taxed a lot more.
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Clinton isn't modern. He was 30 years ago. A 1920s politician wasnt modern in the 1950s.
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Extremely popular among everyone who grew up expecting to get shot at school. Not so much along those who never worry about getting shot at.
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Sorry, but your list of positions are all coded far left. Are you sure you are a centrist?
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Focus on what? The issues the money donors care about? Crypto and M&A?
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...guessing you don't read politico, or watch cnn.
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Congrats, you are a centrist voter who would be a far-left loon as soon as you got elected, without changing any of your positions.
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It's leftist because it assumes that everyone should have healthcare. That's not something that conservatives support.
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I get the sense that most "real" operators aren't actually any different.
Not sure if this is just the wannabes making tacticool lame, or if the 'real' operators are exactly the same but just don't get called out.
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I would ask you where you think the "rejoin the EU" are. Left or right?
Trying to tar the left with the right's sins seems to be a constant theme in the UK press.
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Which somehow makes the example I provided invalid?
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"Biologically" male... Having been born with a vagina and ovaries.
*Sigh*
You've got a fuzzy pic of an unsourced document that shows a condition which affects about 1 in 420 women.
I suppose if I find a guy with XX chromosomes and a penis you'll declare him a biological woman?
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But the results of the system =\= support for the options. That's the point, and that's what was elided.
Also sorry, I was looking for posts to see if anyone has admitted Corbyn was right about Israel and Gaza after what we've seen the last 16 months. Didn't realize yours was so old.
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Yeah, they are. There was one test, unspecified type, done by a since-banned Russian org that only happened after she beat a Russian boxer in their tournament. No other 'evidence' has ever surfaced except people looking at pics and deciding she didn't look enough like a woman for them.
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And yet, by the most honest measure of actual support, IE how many votes he got, he blew Starmer out of the water both times.
But the better distribution of far fewer votes got a 63% majority on 33% of the vote, obscuring the actual sentiment.
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It's interesting that the guy who was harsh on Russia and skeptical of Putin from the get-go has been smeared as white-washing Putin for wanting evidence before accusing him of assassinations on British soil.
Worth looking at what Starmer or the Tories were saying about Putin 2005-2015.
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You must have blanked out the whole 'chicken coup' period, I guess.
Corbyn, ~2016.
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You can clarify *your* thinking, I don't have access to that.