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These aren’t really the same kind of thing. XMPP for sure, maybe over websocket as a transport if you’re in a browser. (http://sngpl.ma/t5c80)
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Hmm, not sure where that idea came from. It’s still the same one it always was every since circa 2005, and is essentially the same thing that became WebRTC also (http://sngpl.ma/t5bt0)
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@quillmatiq.com Let me introduce you to my friend the pirate bay… (http://sngpl.ma/t5ba0)
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Snikket
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What features are you waiting for? (http://sngpl.ma/t5aw0)
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snikket.org is great, but otherwise you might check out Quicksy or xmpp.is
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ads are not very lucrative either (http://sngpl.ma/t5aa0)
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Why do you need high adoption? So long as your contacts can follow an invite link and install an app that’s all you need for yourself right? (http://sngpl.ma/t5aX0)
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As someone who has used XMPP on mobile continuously since 2010 and now maintains one mobile client, I’m wondering what you current find lacking there which we could improve? (http://sngpl.ma/t5aT5)
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Hi (http://sngpl.ma/t5aT4)
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You may want to check out https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.cheogram.android/ for replies, custom emoji, and other fun stuff. e2ee options for reactions are specced and being worked on, just takes time to get things implemented with a small group of devs 🙂 (http://sngpl.ma/t5aT3)
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some of us never left
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I think used is an overstatement. They had a half-built gateway, but it wasn’t part of the main product anyone used (I used it, but their main apps did not) (http://sngpl.ma/t5aT1)
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Unfortunately this is largely mythological. There were very few efforts by major players towards truly adopting any standard or even open API. (http://sngpl.ma/t5aT0)
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Nothing nearly as big but FOSSY is organized on similar principles. (http://sngpl.ma/t5aM0)
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As a protocol and whole family of tech, I agree XMPP isn’t something to directly recommend. Inviting to my Snikket server or suggesting Quicksy goes much more smoothly. (http://sngpl.ma/t5aH0)
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Ah I didn’t notice those pages were using my old date format. I’ve updated to my new normal year-dayofyear (http://sngpl.ma/t5aF3)
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Yes (http://sngpl.ma/t5aF2)
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Gajim and Dino are both pretty good depending on what you need and what you like. I use Gajim. On mobile check out f-droid.org/en/packages/...
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What platforms?
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Facebook never federated chat. They did federate messages via email a loong time ago, but never chat. Google did. (http://sngpl.ma/t5a81)
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Messenger never used XMPP and never federated. They had a half-baked gateway to allow third party clients for awhile as an experiment, but that’s all they ever did. (http://sngpl.ma/t5a80)
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As a client developer, happy to hear feedback on existing clients and what you think is needed for 'good'
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Still does (http://sngpl.ma/t5a50)
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luckily neither of those things was destroyed and both are alive and well 🙂 (http://sngpl.ma/t5a40)
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Snikket if you want simple, or prosody if you want flexible.
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Both. Jabber is the network. XMPP is the protocol. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_w0)
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It’s true that in the *very* long ago Jabber was also the name for the protocol. These days we in the community use Jabber for the network and XMPP for the protocol
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Ah ok, that makes sense. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_e5)
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Some day 🙂 (http://sngpl.ma/t5_e3)
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It wasn't a change per se, those are names for two different things. Jabber is still the name of the federated network. XMPP is the name of the protocol (like for email it is SMTP).
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joinjabber.org/tutorials/in...
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Not sure what you mean? It’s just XML, there’s no ‘XML in XML’ escaping or anything like that. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_e0)
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You might be interested in Quicksy or Snikket (http://sngpl.ma/t5_a1)
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Happy to answer any questions. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_a0)
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that one is not very popular, this one has 10x as many downloads: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.siacs.conversations (http://sngpl.ma/t5_X2)
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In what way has email centralized? Just because most users happen to be with one of a few players? (http://sngpl.ma/t5_X1)
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Except that most blogs still have feeds and the most popular XMPP client is on mobile? (http://sngpl.ma/t5_X0)
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Is there a set of steps I can give to my Threads friends to make it so I can follow them from atproto? (http://sngpl.ma/t5_S4)
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This is a pretty unfair description of what happened. Google was *always* the majority of the network, from the moment they joined. They contributed a lot to the ecosystem for awhile, then they got bored and killed the product. They kill products a lot. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_S1)
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What issues do you have with the XMPP based apps you’ve tried? (http://sngpl.ma/t5_S0)
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Not sure how deeply you’re looking for. I would say I know enough (http://sngpl.ma/t5_Q0)
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While I prefer non list reforms (STV) it is possible do hate the *current* party system while being ok with reforming instead of removing it. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_G0)
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Personal domain names are an essential part of any decentralized identity on today’s internet. They were super common in the blogging era and I expect things like Bluesky will help that be the case again. (http://sngpl.ma/t5_E1)