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The Google money's just too good to pass up huh... Dunno why you even bothered asking for feedback when it's very very clear you've already made your decision. If this was supposed to be damaged control, you botched it, and your users aren't as dumb as you seem to think they are.
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So, you don't give a fuck about user feedback and are still absolutely implementing Google AI, regardless of how many of your users don't want that, you're just postponing it so you can slowly poison the app to retain as many users for as long as possible while you erode their trust into the ground.
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This was a mistake. You can fix it and not lose your members if you TURN THE GRANT DOWN. I know it's a lot of money and it's a big deal to get the grant. But you should not have applied for this. No one wants it. We are all sick of AI being shoved into every part of our lives. Let us be a community!
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"Most importantly, the community will be involved in the creation of this and any major new features."
The community has spoken: Don't do this. Don't take Google's blood money. Don't destroy the wonderful thing we love.
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"Do more free work, while we degrade the quality of the resource" isn't community-building. It's strip-mining.
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Sure, the Ai content will be labelled. But we know readers don't take that as a warning that the content might be wrong, even though they know Ai can "hallucinate".
And volunteer time that could be spent on IDs must now be spent keeping an ever-vigilant eye on Ai bullshit.
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So: an acknowledgement "many people feel betrayed, disrespected, and without agency". An apology. But no commitment to do things differently in the future or to rebuild trust.
There's an admission that iNat will serve inaccurate info in the future, there's an offer to let users fix it. For free.
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I’m really disappointed in the decision to partner with Google for generative AI of any kind. I love iNaturalist but I will no longer use it if you integrate genAI - the climate and copyright issues are too much for me to stomach. I truly hope you will reconsider the use of AI.
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I think the AI that iNaturalist currently has implemented is sufficient. It’s my belief that we shouldn’t lead iNat to be an AI-based platform, the nature equivalent of people asking ChatGPT to do their homework. Doing this will only make the AI seem more trustworthy to users when it mightn’t be
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I am comforted by most of these points, but I ultimately think that this step is not necessary. I have deep concerns in how much people are trusting AI, and as many others have said a community-led wiki or something where experts write the common ID points would be so much better
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You’ve lost the plot and your community to chase a stupid tech trend. Just don’t work with google, it’s really that easy.
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So your update is you listened to everyone not wanting AI slop and the exploitation of their work and your response is: 'No, you're going to choke down our environmentally destructive AI slop whether you like it not.'
Why even ask for feedback if you're just going to spit on your users anyway?
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collaborating with such an evil corporation is unjustifiable
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It's not "can have harmfull environmental effects" it's "its jugging water and electricity like end of the world machine and producing emissions that we absolutely can't afford to have". You know what will mitigate or actually eliminate entirely the harmfull environmental inpact? Don't. Use. It.
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I think you need to really rethink this choice. You should reject this funding and look for support within your existing community. You are destroying your overwhelming goodwill for honestly not that much money and technology which will poison your dataset. Please do not take these comments lightly.
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Thank you for addressing our feedback. Please continue to do so, and explain specific protections that will be enacted. Your users are overwhelmingly insisting on protecting the integrity of the system because current events have made that integrity more precious than ever. Please keep listening.
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"We've heard what you said and we're still going to do it, in the hope you'll forget or just accept it"
Environmental impact assessments come BEFORE implementing new tech, not afterwards. You of all people should know that.
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you're going to check the environmental impacts after you do it? how is that helpful? the damage will be done, and there's already information out there about how google is hurting the environment with it's generative ai!
i've deleted all my observations and uninstalled the seek app
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You had a clear message from your user base, I read through all of them on this platform and they were unanimous. You’ve officially lost the plot, why should we ever trust you?
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We've posted a clearly marked update at the bottom of the blog post: www.inaturalist.org/blog/113184-...
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I just hope it ends up going away and hopefully gets replaced by a community made alternative
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sigh yeah. i think at this point once the deal is sealed it's probably not so straightforward for them to back out for corporate bureaucratic reasons
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I wish that we as contributors had a real say in this. Not just the peanuts we got from iNat
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I just cannot imagine responding to nature-lovers pointing out that LLMs are incredibly destructive in their carbon footprint with "living beings are worse". What is even the point for these people?
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to be fair it was not a reply to the staffs but some techbros in the replies
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What the actual fuck are we doing at this point if this is even part of the discussion?
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machines too, can download data and memorize them bit by bit, more pixels than what humans can see in an artwork. let's replace the art enjoyers with robots as well, for good measure.
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"I made the maths for you and, see, we should feed my composting robot instead of giving food to human beings, because it's more efficient in phosphorus assimiliation"
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like, are they aware that human beings already exist and live and are not tools we could create in order to produce art or data for us ?
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I've seen this same point raised about artists. like "in fact if you want to lower carbon production, AI art is better than actual human because here is all the carbon production by human being while making art" and I don't know what to say other than just laughing.
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Natev was the one who kept bringing that data up. And I know said person personally. Very disappointing seeing them defend AI.
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This what should have been on the blog post to begin with!!! Still hate that you're partnering with Google though m
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So much that it can't even fly
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Fuck off
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"A Wednesday morning crash in Boyle Heights was being investigated as a possible assault with a deadly weapon involving federal agents who left the scene, authorities said."
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That said, ICE is also typically targeting people in farm fields, meat processing plants, and other places of business. People don’t take their guns into work and ICE knows this.
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I don’t understand how it hasn’t happened yet. Feels inevitable.
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It's one thing for MSM to ignore police violence when it happens to Black protesters, but to ignore when they brutalize white protesters is another level. They don't even care about their own!! Merit...