So Pierre Poilievre just promised not to cut any programs that people like. So does that mean conservatives have cut programs in the past. E.I. veter affairs offices, OAS veterans disability pension, scientific investigations...
He makes most of the dim bulbs I work with in construction happy. They seem to hate having service provided to anyone that isn't them. Figure it's stealing their tax dollars. Can't tell them that when conservatives shut down programs and give tax breaks to the rich, that is stealing their tax dollar
A big investment in building up our military using Canadian steel and aluminum would be a boon to my city Hamilton's local economy. We're Canada's steel capital and 28K jobs rely on the steel industry here. Quebec's aluminum industry would benefit, too.
There's a huge difference between war and defense.
Canada must have a bigger, stronger, well-equipped military to *deter* any attack against us or attempt by the US to "annex" us as Trump threatens to do.
It's peace through strength. Otherwise we're sitting ducks.
Hamilton steel should contribute.
Public money should go towards public infrastructure, health, education, ownership, etc. Not f-35s so we can bomb teenagers in yemen or whatever else is demanded by the US imperialist project.
Canada's not going to bomb teenagers in Yemen. We need to build up our military purely for our *own defense*, and Canada is looking to invest in our own defense industry, not America's, to build what we need here in Canada or to acquire equipment from our Australian and European allies.
In peacetime I'd agree with you that we should invest in our public infrastructure, healthcare, education, etc., but we're suddenly facing, through no fault of our own, an existential threat from Trump and the US.
PM Carney is wisely that threat seriously. And we better be able to defend ourselves.
We literally helped the US bomb teenagers on Yemen...
Are you a real person? Are you a working class Canadian? Because what you're saying is verbatim copy from weapon manufacturers. Easiest money on the planet
Let's build airplanes as well. We have the resources. We have the technology. It just requires investment and focus.
Sell jets to Britain. Then make them.
Would be great if we created a Buy Canadian policy(ref to Buy America policy). If you are an American company in Canada you have to sell a certain percentage of canadian product or have product manufactured in Canada by with Canadian materials.
With tight MAGA ties today and Indian leadership election interference that bolstered him in 2022, it's no wonder that Pierre Poilievre does not want to undergo a security check. ✅
We need to spend more on defense to help protect ourselves against the US? We need to be a member of NATO to enact Article 5 against the US? It all sounds so goofy. What doesn't sound goofy is declaring our automotive sector dead, eliminating the tariffs on China, and joining BRICS with Mexico!
Add Canadian software. Canada needs to set up a stable domain management system so software companies can safely move and store their data in Canada, especially for military equipment. At present, it appears there isn’t a dependable one guaranteed to last for years. Maybe create a Crown Corporation?
@markcarney If you don't want to increase foreign workers please ensure you provide funding for thousands more 🇨🇦men/women. We need them in every trade!!! Offer apprenticeships and low cost tuition!
If you want to support growth of Canadian industry, pls do it within a planetary boundaries/ ecological economics framework, build into RFPs to prioritize companies that are more like cooperatives or b-corps that are not just growth of profit mandated. Also integrate project EA valued components
into ongoing project compliance monitoring scheme with a more transparent, streamlined central social / ecological data management hub that integrates data like air & water quality in a more user friendly way so ppl in neighbourhoods see effects better so you get less susceptibility to misinfo.
Could you please stop privileging Canadian workers over others? Widen the ambit. It's workers everywhere who need to benefit, not just the 'Canadian' ones.
I think we lost the timeline of having a good leader in 2025 back when Bernie got iced out by the established Dems. So sick of my best option being 90s Republicans but painted blue...
Canada first, eh? Although hdle is liberal the sounds just like The Orange Fuckface's rhetoric for America first, which is just protectionist speak for wanting full authoritarian control. Circling the wagons becomes a circular firing squad.
You get debacles through corruption and mismanagement. Building with domestic resources develops stronger Canadian industries. Higher costs end up absorbed by other benefits such as broader employment, tech development and increased taxes revenue.
California High Speed Rail’s buy American rules mean that the CAHSRA had to hire an entire engineering team to develop a train set as a ground up effort when Bombardier (Canadian) and TVG (French) and Shinkansen (Japan) already knew how to build and engineer the systems. This wasted at least 40B.
There can be a difference between requiring domestic production and requiring a new domestic design. Buying licensing for a proven design to build allows domestic industry to develop. At the end you have increased capability, transfers of knowledge and the capacity to do more yourself next time.
If your country doesn’t have any places that build the equipment you aren’t just paying for design. You are building factories from scratch. It’s enormously expensive and wasteful. If you want to create jobs, why don’t you replace bulldozers with an army of men armed with teaspoons?
US steel makers can’t make the right steel needed. So CAHSRA had to help the US bridge company in Gary Indiana upgrade its factory. Wasted at least an additional 10B.
Not to mention, because CAHSR wasn’t allowed to build internal engineering capabilities, more billions were shipped to Parsons and KBR to do the work at a huge mark up and duplicative administration.
No, you get debacles because you force the purchase of domestic goods that are way more expensive and not as good as places that have what is folks in economics call a comparative advantage.
when we do this bigger projects it can make it so more provincies get involved thus have a stake in saying YEA lets do this cause jobs
and more jobs to a govt = more in da taxes = more services and maybe a tax cut can happen and less need a debts
simple very very simple
a bigger navy means alberta and others get more sales to govt for powering them
or if nuclear subs then once in while the place we dig that up gets jobs
As an American, I am begging you to not back down. There's some things we're relying on those outside the country to do to support us from the outside, because there's only so much pressure we can add from inside. Especially to those set to benefit the most from the tariffs.
Isolationism isn't the answer. Making a pariah of one goblinmoron country works, but cutting Canada off from raw material trade with the rest of the world doesn't.
It's not even close to the Dictatorship of Trump. Your blanket statement comes from a place of hate that has been stirred up by 🇷🇺 disinformation fed to you by X and MAGA. Carney is the Canadian patriot that we all need during these times.
He just had a big trip to the EU to secure trade and strong relations. Dude used language normally reserved for the US in reference to France. There's open talk about Canada being a mfg centre in EU's rearmament effort.
This msg is a signal to our steel industry that they aren't forgotten.
Mark, this is the first of your posts I've stumbled across on here and I gotta say i like the pro domestic stance on labor and materials. Let's do the same with fruits and vegetables, yeah? Local first?
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RESCUE US FROM OUR LEADERS 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I completely agree if a country needs new warships they must be built using that countries dry docks, skilled workers (train more) and materials manufactured in that country all will stimulate their economy we do not care about "cost"
Why not whatever is the cheapest steel and aluminum source without reliance on unreliable sources like the US? Cmon you of all people should know international trade economics well
And Canadian owned... We don't want American plutocracy anymore. We don't want their wealthy to get any wealthier on our bluenose dime. We don't want their politics, we don't want their elite to fund their campaigns of hate off us. Our hands should be clean.
I have no personal experience with cooperatives AFAIK. However, on the surface yes, democratically controlled business seems like a good idea. More of us will have a say in where profits lead, or how often we sell out to the USA bids on Canadian companies.
There are many studies that cover cooperative enterprises. The aggregate findings are that they improve economic resiliency for workers and communities. Increases in worker satisfaction, productivity, and employment stability are often found when comparing them with conventional ownership.
We have enough pipelines to provide our refineries. No new pipelines to sell our fossils to enable other countries to pollute our shared atmosphere. Fossil companies can shift to produce electricity and slow down O&G production. Stop all single-use plastics.
The pipelines that supply the east run through the states so to get us through to electric autonomy, there might have to be a few more to tide us over plus refineries that can handle AB tar. And no we shouldn't be selling it to other countries. Just enough domestic production to bridge the gap imo
Line 5 is a disaster waiting to happen into the Straits because it is old and unsecured. There could be a way to transfer the crude to rail to move from the Canadian side to the refineries in Canada and thus not go through the US at all. If oil production is reduced we would not need more refineries
There's a lot to be thought through and with so much chaos going on at the same time I only hope as we fix the problems we don't create more in the process.
Build for the world. Just as the American South was too bound by slavery to win the Civil War, America, bound by Republican enslavement of Americans can win nothing except a race to incompetence.
That being said, I do acknowledge that most of the biggest producers of raw materials are not politically aligned with the policies I would want the federal government to support.
Trade relations are based on trust. The US political system seems to be capable of breaking that trust on a whim. I think we'd need to see some political reforms in the US to increase political stability there before we could trust the US again.
Can we at least first confirm that the Canadian people/firms contracted to do this work are qualified? As I recall, we've had some bad experiences in the past.
And benefit the Canadian citizens the most. It is their resources and once gone they are gone forever. Tax the rich out of existence; universal healthcare, education and minimum/maximum wealth laws. For the people Mark, for the people.
Well I'm just a consumer - I don't use steel, remember? You say things that aren't true or make bad jokes like in this clip because you think it makes you look good in the moment. The truth is it usually ends up being cringe, and then you get worked up when the media calls you out. What a mess!
You’re damn right we should be using our own steel and aluminum.
We should be building our own ships, subs and aircraft as well. Time to return to Canadian manufacturing, and to stop allowing American mega-corporations to buy out everything we create.
Yes use Canadian steel and aluminum in Canadian manufacturing, but maybe more efficient and less cost to let European ship-builders use our minerals to build the hulls for us - Irving has not been on-time or on budget so far.
Mr Carney, Mark if I may, please have a word with @albomp.bsky.social about dealing with the USA. Australia is committed to a wasteful submarine project that will require loads of aluminium & steel. Perhaps you can give Albo some ideas on new subs, rather than 2nd hand American junk we've on order.
Scouring the replies for someone with a brain, and there you are 👏
I understand the urge to divest from America, but all-around protectionism isn't the answer. Trade should be as free as possible.
When is “enough” $$$ considered to be enough? Constant growth and profits are making the poor poorer and the wealthiest too selfish for the most part. Some still have charitable givings and support many but why are there so many billionnaires in the world?
There isn’t really that many billionaires in the world. They make up about 0.0000004% of the world’s population and it’s a fallacy that because they are rich, other people are poor. It’s a useful focal point for govt to create a blame culture, but not much else.
It’s is not that they are earning all the money on an equivalency basis. That is the effect of a marginal tax system. Even where income is more equally distributed, as in Norway, they top 10% still pay half of all income tax.
just saying that I bought a new dishwasher - it's Canadian - and that's because the last one lasted 14 years and it was from the same Canadian company!
Which company? I'll be in need of a new washer very soon, unfortunately and would love to buy Canadian. I have a Canadian made couch and loveseat that look brand new and they're 13 years old! Our stuff is much better made.
Yes, of course, I have an Danby outlet near my house. Bought a dehumidifier there last year and an AC unit. Very pleased with both of them and way cheaper because it's an outlet store. Thanks for reminding me!
In the long haul, thorough involvement in the worldwide economy will best create economic prosperity. It has, for the past 80 years, and will again in the future as we create a common cultural reaction to the problems and opportunities we all will share.
I get what you're saying, Mark (given the rhetoric from Washington) however why not just not use steel from the USA?
Otherwise this becomes a race to the bottom between nations.
It's how most countries should work, it's dumb relying on other countries for things you need and produce yourself, invest in that, make it as cheap as buying from China or who ever.
Just nationalize the production and pay the workers a more than living wage and it will be as cheap as it needs to be. Cut out Corpos and you'll find that costs remain relatively low.
If you really take this line of thinking to is logical conclusion everything costs less and people get paid waaay more. You start realizing why the right spends so much money to propagandize the working poor to stand up for private Corpos and vote against their own best interest.
'Canada has also made clear it wants a tighter security relationship with the EU. The Commission on Wednesday also floated greater defense cooperation with Australia, New Zealand...'
David Frum says Canada can certainly have defence relationships with Australia, NZ, UK, trade with Europe, but insists that the US is the backbone of trade with Canada because of proximity, just as the UK must get back to trade with Europe. He sees practical issues with supplying Europe's gas etc.
Yes, we do need to keep trading with the US but we can't depend on the current government for our national security...Trump is our biggest threat at the moment.
And PP says: "I want a foreign policy that stands up for this country, this country alone," he said. "Our own interests are primordial..."
Agree. I'm not sure I agree entirely with Frum on the trade matter. But he was not saying to rely on the US for defence, on the contrary. Personally, I'd like a wall. I've never liked the US and it's going down. I'm not sure anything can save it or the fracturing of the global financial system.
Canada should NOT engage in tit for tat tarrifs with USA. It harms Canadians. Trade wars are conducted to SAVE a trading relationship. Cut this one off at the knees and trade with Europe, Mexico, and China instead. Rather than tarrif, use the time to renegotiate alternative trade partnerships.
I'm from Germany, but a number of my relatives live in Canada. I remember times when that sounded weirdly exotic – not anymore today.
While I realize that a full integration of Canada and the EU isn't likely to happen anytime soon, I think that a very close relationship is the only way ahead.
Dear @mark-carney.bsky.social, as relations with your neighbours are somewhat tense of late, how about another act of resistance by spelling 'aluminium' properly?
Humphry Davy, of the Royal Institution, isolating it, initially called it first Alumium in 1808, then settled on Aluminum in 1812.
So that seems fine to me.
William Woolaston described the experiments and suggested ‘Aluminium’ in 1811 just because it sounded more classical.
So, not a hill to die on.
If movies are made by American studios using American writers and directors they should be filmed and posted in America. Nobody cares about nationalism when money’s involved.
Also our food security should be enhanced by limiting white corn for ethanol and canola for oil limited and replaced with tangible interprovincial food items.
More over Canadian oil, lumber, pulp, should be upgraded, refined, processed in Canada. An investment in Canadian industry is an investment in our security. Not foreign investment.
Canada is hosting the G7 summit this year in June. No border guard in Canada would allow a 34-time convicted felon who continually threatens our sovereignty into the country. We have lots and lots of affordable eggs here and will be pleased to share as many of them with Trump as we can throw.🇨🇦
Too early to boycott the Olympics. Don't worry though, by the time trump is done destroying the world only USA, Russia and China will be at the Olympics.
Just think if our orders were more than just dollars sitting in the US treasury but actual equipment…
How do you increase spending each year when you’ve yet to see delivery of equipment?
Or when we spend millions and more for systems to be built by the US and delivered from the US for Ukraine…1/
But when the US is the supplier for the NATO nations (nice hustle there) and collects that $ from all of us, and hands those insane procurement deals among their ruling elite, who hold stake in all of these projects…
Their GDP contribution is easily covered by all of our spending…3/
But based on what? If it has no rational backing, it doesn't help much. I am very sympathetic with argument that we collectively need to spend more on defence and cut the US out. But when setting targets, we need to ground them on facts.
Does Canada need to spend 3% on defence? Maybe it only needs 2.2%. Or maybe it actually needs to spend 10% in order to ensure it can defend itself from the US.
The same goes for Europe. These values have consequences on people's lives and we can't just play around and throw random numbers.
How would building icebreakers protect us against Russian nuclear submarines? Invest, yes, but to truly defend ourselves, not in empty announcements like this.
Thank you Canadian Government for Savannah billboards I saw tonight. “tarrifs are taxes on (groceries, gasoline , etc)”.
Since many Americans are not educated or informed I truly appreciate your efforts here. I’m truly sorry for the idiots running our country!
Supper well done !!!!
agreed. too much of our online presence is either stored on US based servers or routed though US servers where they can intercept it even if the origin and destination of the data is in Canada.
Also that. Information is even more important than ships."The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.” Philip K. Dick (How to Build a Universe...)
And we must keep our cherished CBC, a Canadian Crown corporation, not defund and dismantle it as Poilievre vows to do. How un-Canadian of him. He wants us flooded with US right-wing propaganda like Fox "News".
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C'mon, Ontario and QC, vote Liberal & Carney!
https://www.canada.ca/en/innovation-science-economic-development/news/2021/07/government-investing-in-hamiltons-steel-industry-to-support-good-jobs-and-significantly-reduce-emissions.html
It'll reduce emissions equivalent to taking 1M cars off the road. I'm glad as a Hamiltonian for lower pollution, too. It was bad in the '70s.
Canada must have a bigger, stronger, well-equipped military to *deter* any attack against us or attempt by the US to "annex" us as Trump threatens to do.
It's peace through strength. Otherwise we're sitting ducks.
Hamilton steel should contribute.
PM Carney is wisely that threat seriously. And we better be able to defend ourselves.
Are you a real person? Are you a working class Canadian? Because what you're saying is verbatim copy from weapon manufacturers. Easiest money on the planet
Sell jets to Britain. Then make them.
Poilievre the "crybully" thinks the Indigenous people are lazy crybabies.
Mark Carney sees the truth: Indigenous people are capable and valuable partners.
Poilievre plans to steamroll them into agreements without consultation.
They are so compatible that they were a common-law couple for a decade.
Don't let Poilievre tell you he's not MAGA.
🚨MAGA is a security risk.🚨
#CanadaStrong
🗽⚖️🤘🤨🤘⚖️✌️🤓✌️⚖️🇺🇸
#RESISTandPERSIST (AF!)
New Ministry of Foreign Executions and Interference
and more jobs to a govt = more in da taxes = more services and maybe a tax cut can happen and less need a debts
simple very very simple
steel where we have it
and ya gonna need more food so more planting and use of our own potash
logistics are a thing
or if nuclear subs then once in while the place we dig that up gets jobs
Or annex WA, whichever!
This msg is a signal to our steel industry that they aren't forgotten.
Which makes sense, because it's more democratic, less authoritarian.
Nobody needs to be shipping resources across entire oceans to be rendered.
Now cut off Alberta oil and bring the cur to heel.
But let’s not waste billions if we can buy the best stuff at the best price from reliable allies
That being said, I do acknowledge that most of the biggest producers of raw materials are not politically aligned with the policies I would want the federal government to support.
And shipping is expensive.
Me!
Pick me!
Mark, when we get rid of this Trump clown, I hope you'll forgive us and we can negotiate sane trade relationships again
You’re damn right we should be using our own steel and aluminum.
We should be building our own ships, subs and aircraft as well. Time to return to Canadian manufacturing, and to stop allowing American mega-corporations to buy out everything we create.
#FuckMAGA #FuckTrump #FuckPutin #ElbowsUp
https://youtu.be/xqdUjZxA1D8?si=XKT95pt72rh6UjrI
Algoma Steel can do it and others should join them.
My hometown is pretty much entirely dependent on Algoma Steel in some capacity.
ABSOLUTELY protect the interests of Canada and Canadians but global trade between allies (not usa now :( is important.
I know you got burned. Don't close yourself off.
I understand the urge to divest from America, but all-around protectionism isn't the answer. Trade should be as free as possible.
You're never going to be like them, champ.
I wrote them two years ago to tell them how happy I was with their product - and I'm really happy with the new one - cleans so well
Otherwise this becomes a race to the bottom between nations.
'Canada has also made clear it wants a tighter security relationship with the EU. The Commission on Wednesday also floated greater defense cooperation with Australia, New Zealand...'
EU slams the door on US in colossal defense plan (Canada participation)
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-freeze-us-multi-billion-defense-plan-arm-makers/
This would be the greatest thing.
🇨🇦 🇦🇺 🇳🇿 + 🇪🇺
🇬🇧 🇮🇸 🇸🇪 🇳🇴 also if they want in on it.
And PP says: "I want a foreign policy that stands up for this country, this country alone," he said. "Our own interests are primordial..."
But I don't think we have to worry about the US starting a shooting war on it's own 5000 mile border.
Who needs a wall...
https://theconversation.com/why-annexing-canada-would-destroy-the-united-states-249561
Language!!’
We share the same values, we're pursuing the same goals... and we even have the same adversaries!
While I realize that a full integration of Canada and the EU isn't likely to happen anytime soon, I think that a very close relationship is the only way ahead.
We need one another, and this will only increase from now on.
So that seems fine to me.
William Woolaston described the experiments and suggested ‘Aluminium’ in 1811 just because it sounded more classical.
So, not a hill to die on.
Don’t let our delegates in either.
Should be a special brand
#CANADA - 🇨🇦 Get serious on National defence
NATO standard is 2%
"We need to catch up to where we are and where it's going.… Canada's behind (1.37%). We need to catch up, and we need to show that we're serious."
We need 3% on defence!!!
#MOG8
#ElbowsUp
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/national-defence-canada-election-1.7490509
How do you increase spending each year when you’ve yet to see delivery of equipment?
Or when we spend millions and more for systems to be built by the US and delivered from the US for Ukraine…1/
And yup, not delivered on time to Ukraine either.
Canada provides boots on the ground, training, support, security…peacekeeping…which just doesn’t have those big $$$
signs.
2/
Their GDP contribution is easily covered by all of our spending…3/
When the US starts to see the NATO nations not handing them that profit?
Guessing that, when they have to write a cheque from their own gov’t funds, they won’t be so quick to increase the GDP% to 5% this year or next.
The same goes for Europe. These values have consequences on people's lives and we can't just play around and throw random numbers.
May I suggest a grand project, maybe another coast to coast travel artery? Let’s bury our grid, instead of leaving it open for sabotage.
We need to infrastructure north as well. A long plan, of 🇨🇦 handshakes & support.
Be well, John
Since many Americans are not educated or informed I truly appreciate your efforts here. I’m truly sorry for the idiots running our country!
Supper well done !!!!
Elbows up 🇨🇦
You’re not alone.
I don’t think Canadians are stupid enough to need a message This blunt.
The foreign trading partners won't take it seriously because the comment wasn't aimed at them.
Postmedia always has an antiCanada slant
Smells like propaganda
Canadian media should be owned by Canadians.
And we must keep our cherished CBC, a Canadian Crown corporation, not defund and dismantle it as Poilievre vows to do. How un-Canadian of him. He wants us flooded with US right-wing propaganda like Fox "News".