Stephanie - thanks for doing your part to protect democracy. I think you’re getting a lot of guff on here because you’re criticizing an approach that is different from yours. Let’s respect all paths of resistance to the authoritarian regime. El pueblo unido nunca sera vencido.
Shouldn't have said it out loud because it's finger pointing at allies...and I think that's wrong.
I do hope people stay safe out there tonight and I hope this ends in a beneficial way for the community.
This is awesome. People rarely look in the mirror and admit that perhaps they could’ve done something differently. Thank you for doing that. I have been guilty of pointing fingers at allies and it distracts us from the real enemy.
Not the first time I've made a mistake....won't be the last. Now I will just sit back and survive the flurry of attacks coming my way - nothing I can do now.
Why would I do that - because I was wrong? I don't hide from my mistakes, I take accountability and own up to them.
Or maybe to censor people? Naw - I believe in their right to their free speech, even if I don't like it - even if it's against me. They are angry - it's okay.
I'm tougher than that.
Ya know- you're right. I don't agree with it and think it hurts THEM and THEIR COMMUNITY- but you're actually right that I've been saying we need unity and not finger pointing at each other.
And that's what I've done. I stand behind what I SAID, but I see now that I shouldn't have said it out loud.
How much actual violence happened by protesters before he called in the National Guard and Marines? And how many non-violent protesters have been drenched in tear gas and hit with rubber bullets?
He's currently lying like it's 1992 or 1968 in LA when it's not. Stop being afraid of him lying about anything when it comes to what you support or want to believe.
I have a list - including getting a governor impeached.
But the important question right now is - what do you actually think that these car fires and destruction of downtown LA and looting is going to achieve in THIS instance?
why are you commenting on protesters and not the police firing tear gas and rubber bullets? on them dragging people off bikes? why are you worried about property damage more than people's lives? or are they not people to you?
Really? Because I have heard about all of the protests going on, especially local to myself. You should follow some of the MANY groups organizing protests in your area.
But you should also keep it peaceful.
ask yourself why they had low attendance, and why everyone around you was over 50.
those protests didn’t have any impact. These are having an impact. Spontaneous protests around specific moments are always more impactful than something planned 2 months in advance, and only lasts 90 minutes
Protesting, shouting, dancing, waving signs/flags.....are a beautiful thing that symbolizes some of what is best in America.
I've been watching live footage for days - and that is NOT all that is happening. I applaud those things, and also condemn the violence.
Telling protestors to keep it peaceful doesn't mean you don't want violence, it means you just want to see police inflict violence with impunity and will blame protesters for defending themselves and their hood.
When the boot-throating kills you, maybe someone will give a shit about your protests?
Ah yes just stay out of the public eye, don’t chant loud and walk single file down a sidewalk being careful not to disturb the joggers. That’s how you take down a fascist regime. You’ll show them! 😂
Hence why Trump thinks you're weak and a push over. These types of protests are the types that makes him back down and retreat. He's a bully. He wants to dominate. He doesn't want an actual fight. When you fight him, he backs down, especially because he lacks the numbers & logistics to win.
I'm not wrong. He's a bully. He can throw a punch, but he can't take one. If you do "peaceful" protests, he'll keep punching you because there's no consequences for doing so. But if you punch back, he retreats. Global leaders have learned this, why haven't Democrats?
You're a fucking dipshit of epic proportions. Trump and Stephen Miller are laughing and high-fiving each other right now. They're not intimidated by what you stupidly think is a show of strength. They're celebrating all the free content you're giving them.
a reminder that the majority of protests during the civil rights movement had a negative opinion. neither party fully supported them. the only reason they succeeded because the other side went apeshit.
I disagree- in fact, I think there's a GREAT chance the violence is coming from MAGA instigators (though the vitriol I've gotten for posting makes me rethink that)
He wants an excuse to invoke the insurrection act. He wants to lock us down into a 100% dictatorship. I believe he wants to end things.
You are right...you are completely right. I actually don't have a different way to offer, it just makes me sad and it feels like it's hurting THEM (via their own community) and makes me sad/scared for them....
But you're absolutely right. I don't even know of a different option to suggest. *sigh*
I know you are right, I know it- I just hate seeing it. I hate everything about this..what these citizens have been through that has brought them to this point, that I can't even think of a better way, that it has all come to this, that what Trump is just getting worse and worse..everything.
Yep - I'm pretty sure I know my own beliefs.
And I'm pretty sure you don't. But if name calling makes you feel better, I'm happy to take it. (and I mean that sincerely - the level of anger, fear, etc....I get it)
I, however, am not your enemy.
No - this is a perfect example of what I thought we were supposed to be about. Uniting, preventing the destruction of our country, embracing each other to fight the ACTUAL enemy that is threatening us.
Not a car...or a building...or small businesses...
Hard to embrace each other after the cops start firing tear gas at you. If you use your brain and notice the timeline, you'll find that these Waymos got set on fire after the cops started shooting people.
Y'all's iteration of respectability IS passivity, that's the point. Whinging to whoever doesn't leave quickly enough about how the other side (wink wink and nudge nudge and whatnot) keeps breaking the rules of a game they stopped playing years ago.
No. I think it's all the fault of this current administration. I know that people can't read every comment to a post - but I've apologized for the finger-pointing, admit that I don't have a better option to recommend....
But didn't delete the post because I don't want to censor people's voices.
Quick question: have you ever asked in the past 4 months: when will somebody do something about this? When will the people stand up against Trump’s lawlessness?
It’s happening now- people are doing something. They are standing up. Did you think Trump wouldn’t fight back?
breaking my heart and I made my post in a moment of intense sadness for all of us and fear of what's to come. Are we ever REALLY ready even when we see it coming?
You're right.....and my post was inappropriate to post. But now I will sit back and take my punches from the responders - I deserve it.
Point well made. That's an excellent point - I've felt that way even when writing, calling, protesting, boycotting, blah blah fucking blah. "Nothing is working!"
Your point is heard - and it's a good point. I KNEW this was coming and prepared for it - but watching it is breaking my heart and (cont)
okay better do nothing because [checks notes] somehow the fascist who did all this other shit was suddenly unable to make it worse until he had an excuse
what you're really saying is you didn't want to take his side until he had a good excuse. you just want to wash your hands of the whole affair.
well - that's quite an assumption, and one that I do not believe applies to me. I've always been socially liberal - but was economically conservative (which is the opposite of this administration).
Started the conversion under Clinton..who was more fiscally responsible than any republican I'd seen.
They're going to call it a violent protest no matter what and if there isn't violence they're going to make sure the cops perform violence upon the crowds. I have zero issue with the public doing property damage on the capitalists.
I suspect that a lot of the violence is coming from MAGA instigators. (the attacks i've received makes me reconsider that to an extent)
I have zero problem with people fighting for their rights (and lives) - but I hate seeing them harming their own community. It does feel rather inevitable, though.
Don't do this Stephanie. It's bad form to casually cop-jacket people. The cops literally use this accusation to foment strife within social movements. See the Cointelpro Papers by Ward Churchill.
PS. The reason I didn't delete my post was because I don't want to censor everyone who already responded, I want their voiced to be heard (even though most of it was ugly towards me, that's okay - I'm not a snowflake, I can take it)...I want people to be heard.
Thanks Stephanie. Sorry I need to learn to keep my place in a thread without getting lost. Don't let people being mean bring you down. They're frustrated with respectability politics.
Don't be sorry - you were right.
And I don't let mean people bring me down - they don't know me. They are angry, frustrated, hurting - and I get that. It's not personal - but I appreciate your words.
Salud my friend. Keep safe out there.
I know that VERY few people have the time/energy to read all comments of course- but I've apologized 3 times, agreeing that I can't think of a better alternative, that it's finger-pointing my own side which is wrong, and that this was just an expression of my own fears. Again I say, you're right.
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I do hope people stay safe out there tonight and I hope this ends in a beneficial way for the community.
Or maybe to censor people? Naw - I believe in their right to their free speech, even if I don't like it - even if it's against me. They are angry - it's okay.
I'm tougher than that.
And that's what I've done. I stand behind what I SAID, but I see now that I shouldn't have said it out loud.
But the important question right now is - what do you actually think that these car fires and destruction of downtown LA and looting is going to achieve in THIS instance?
But you should also keep it peaceful.
those protests didn’t have any impact. These are having an impact. Spontaneous protests around specific moments are always more impactful than something planned 2 months in advance, and only lasts 90 minutes
I've been watching live footage for days - and that is NOT all that is happening. I applaud those things, and also condemn the violence.
When the boot-throating kills you, maybe someone will give a shit about your protests?
And ran again in 2024 - with almost nobody voting for him.
He wants an excuse to invoke the insurrection act. He wants to lock us down into a 100% dictatorship. I believe he wants to end things.
But you're absolutely right. I don't even know of a different option to suggest. *sigh*
"They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!"
Media: "Both sides"
Fuck off, fascist sympathizer
And I'm pretty sure you don't. But if name calling makes you feel better, I'm happy to take it. (and I mean that sincerely - the level of anger, fear, etc....I get it)
I, however, am not your enemy.
the shitlib credo
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Not a car...or a building...or small businesses...
It's not WWII anymore. There are no good guys with guns.
(There's a related gender bias ideology at play, which is also fascinating)
not the ice thugs throwing flash bangs and tear gas and violently apprehending parents who've been showing up to all their court appointments?
burning 3 waymos isn't the ammo anyone needs but you seem eager to let trump off the chain
But didn't delete the post because I don't want to censor people's voices.
Government escalates.
“Don’t give them an excuse to escalate further.”
Government escalates.
“Don’t respond. It’s what they want.”
Government escalates.
“Just stay calm. The troops will save us by disobeying orders.”
Government escalates, troops obey.
Etc etc etc.
It’s happening now- people are doing something. They are standing up. Did you think Trump wouldn’t fight back?
You're right.....and my post was inappropriate to post. But now I will sit back and take my punches from the responders - I deserve it.
Your point is heard - and it's a good point. I KNEW this was coming and prepared for it - but watching it is breaking my heart and (cont)
there's no such thing as an ex-republican.
what you're really saying is you didn't want to take his side until he had a good excuse. you just want to wash your hands of the whole affair.
Started the conversion under Clinton..who was more fiscally responsible than any republican I'd seen.
I have zero problem with people fighting for their rights (and lives) - but I hate seeing them harming their own community. It does feel rather inevitable, though.
Salud
And I don't let mean people bring me down - they don't know me. They are angry, frustrated, hurting - and I get that. It's not personal - but I appreciate your words.
Salud my friend. Keep safe out there.