Two disturbed guys rent trucks and commit public acts of violence to deliver explicit ideological messages: one gets the scare story about who radicalized him, the other gets a sympathetic, nonpolitical account of his trauma - ThreadSky

tomscocca.bsky.social • 143 days ago

Two disturbed guys rent trucks and commit public acts of violence to deliver explicit ideological messages: one gets the scare story about who radicalized him, the other gets a sympathetic, nonpolitical account of his trauma

Reposted from Tom Scocca

Come ON

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night-prowler.bsky.social•143 days ago

Clearly all these people are terrorists that hate freedom! /s

blackstone22.bsky.social•143 days ago

One white, one, ummmm, not?

elsiejay.bsky.social•143 days ago

Gee, I wonder what may have been different about them.

mraryeh.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/mraryeh.bsky.social/post/3lesqcnkapc2n

dustyknews.bsky.social•143 days ago

One killed people. One only killed himself.

snogg3.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sounds about white.

warmwestwind.bsky.social•143 days ago

The vegas guy's manifesto was a lot scarier btw

tomscocca.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yep!

warmwestwind.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://starfuel.bandcamp.com/track/immortality

warmwestwind.bsky.social•143 days ago

Goes to show.

davidshipley.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yeah. One fought terror groups. One joined a terror group.

kba26.bsky.social•143 days ago

They pretty clearly both joined terror groups. The other one's just not as well-defined as ISIS.

dodgerfanla.bsky.social•143 days ago

He literally called for a terrorist campaign in DC and blew himself up. Also both were vets and served in Afghanistan

markh59.bsky.social•143 days ago

You might want to read what the guy wrote..

quasarfunk.bsky.social•143 days ago

Actually, they both joined the same terror group.

justinhousman.bsky.social•143 days ago

Thing is, both of these statements can apply to both mean equally

bartleby6316.bsky.social•143 days ago

That’s your take on the guy who called for a “purge” of Democrats? Sheesh.

davidshipley.bsky.social•143 days ago

That's my take on why on the surface the reactions are different by many to the two cases. I didn't say I was pro either act of terror. A question was asked, an answer was given.

bartleby6316.bsky.social•143 days ago

That’s an excuse for the disparity in coverage, not an explanation. It’s quite obvious that both men were radicalized by extremist ideology. If the media create a different narrative for the brown Muslim than the white Xian, it’s because the media are biased not because the cases actually differ.

davidshipley.bsky.social•143 days ago

Media analysis is one thing, public reception is another. Media narrative does drive the second, but not exclusively. Also, body count likely playing a role in both media coverage and positioning.

matunos.bsky.social•143 days ago

I have a crazy idea that newspapers should investigate a little beyond the surface, rather than just regurgitate back to us what we can already see on the surface.

davidshipley.bsky.social•143 days ago

Fair enough but newsrooms have been devastated and the industry lacks the attention to detail it used to have (not that it was ever perfect)

matunos.bsky.social•142 days ago

the New York Times has the resources to do better

rowyourbot.bsky.social•143 days ago

Somehow it doesn't count as 'scary' if a white guy kills people.

yellowstoneten.bsky.social•143 days ago

in this case the white guy in Vegas only killed himself, so i think a lot of people are interpreting it more like a particularly flashy act of self-immolation than a terrorist attack

but i have no idea if that was intentional on his part, or if we just got lucky on the timing

rowyourbot.bsky.social•143 days ago

True it can be seen that way but he intentionally created a life-threatening situation. So I don’t think it’s the whole explanation. His views, and the views of many of these shooters and potential bombers are a *real threat.* ISIS isn’t going to get take over the USA. But these people could!

mistygedlinske.bsky.social•143 days ago

I can’t qWhite out my finger on why these two people were treated differently. 🤔

aguasdemarco.bsky.social•143 days ago

One is considered a terrorist attack (perpetrator of Arab descent); the other one is considered a suicide (perpetrator white).🙄😒

matthewdownhour.bsky.social•143 days ago

Seems relevant though that one killed a bunch of other people and the other didn't

johnignatiusriley.bsky.social•143 days ago

He’s the bigger threat though. We’re going to have some level of Islamist terrorism in this country, probably indefinitely. But the real threat is people like Livelsberger, whose manifestos channel MAGA, represent the lion’s share of terrorism in the country, and could morph into something worse.

knomercy.com•143 days ago

not fucking really

jedilaw.bsky.social•143 days ago

MAGA started the Civil War, lost it decisively, then spent 160 years whining like bitches about it. Meanwhile making life miserable for as many people as possible.

You don’t think this MAGA shit started with Trump do you?

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•143 days ago

If that "manifesto" is real, he called it a VBIED. Seems to imply an intent to do harm. And he injured 6.
He just wasn't very effective

matthewdownhour.bsky.social•143 days ago

Extremely ineffective, which is odd considering he had a ~7000 lb vehicle and a bunch of explosives and also was a special forces soldier

dconrad.bsky.social•142 days ago

Did he have any explosives training? Special forces, and all military, are very... specialized.

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•142 days ago

IDK. Green Berets are specialists in training local forces, including in guerilla methods. But that doesn't mean bomb maker necessarily

natespeed.bsky.social•142 days ago

It almost feels like the bomb was an afterthought. Like he had resolved to kill himself in a cybertruck in front of the Trump hotel, but on the way down realized that alone probably wouldn't get his message out. So he whipped up the quickest, easiest bomb he could with a bunch of off-the-shelf buys.

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•143 days ago

Special forces boasting comes up empty again

johnignatiusriley.bsky.social•143 days ago

If the manifesto is real, he didn’t want to harm anyone directly—he did want to start a pogram of Democrats however.

iwillrobyou.bsky.social•143 days ago

“Former green beret shot by terrorist before his Cybertruck was set ablaze”

whats-his-name.bsky.social•143 days ago

I imagine the PR Firm he has on retainer was busy that day.

edwoodk.bsky.social•143 days ago

As long as the terrorist could have once delivered your paper or played h.s. football as a child( in your all White subdivision) his actions are misunderstood, hardly killed anyone, should have received Better Help®️.

blueirisqualm.bsky.social•143 days ago

“even within his local muslim community”

infiniterest.bsky.social•143 days ago

Are you saying a black guy would have blown up a Bentley?

adriana1o5.bsky.social•143 days ago

Don’t even have to wonder which one is WHITE

caruddy.bsky.social•143 days ago

You nailed this.

wildthingthree.bsky.social•143 days ago

No mention of eliminating democrats, shutting down roads, wtaf?

mikeginmd.bsky.social•143 days ago

Oh the cybertruck exploded, adding insult to injury, I suppose. Poor guy can’t catch a break

markbare54.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sounds about white

peacenotwar2024.bsky.social•143 days ago

Very insightful. Trauma had to have played a role in both, and since wars have become perpetual, we need desperately to understand the impact of PTSD on our soldiers and, consequently, society.

oldcoach.bsky.social•143 days ago

Both ex-military, both seemingly traumatized or otherwise harmed by service in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Maybe the headlines should be about the damage we have done to our troops and our failure to help them sufficiently post-war.

paulbijhouwer.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/paulbijhouwer.bsky.social/post/3lexsteyacs2r

sometimeswemnit.bsky.social•141 days ago

Feels like the main differences between ISIS and MAGA is that one has a clear ideology and the other has a lot of access to capital.

mattbellviolinist.bsky.social•142 days ago

If you were expecting honesty from our media, you haven’t been paying attention since 2015.

Trump sells newspapers.

That’s all you need to know.

mushroomsoupowl.bsky.social•143 days ago

White dudes are considered "boys who just needed help" even when they're well past 35 year old.

ruthz.bsky.social•143 days ago

From my just posted rant…
https://bsky.app/profile/ruthz.bsky.social/post/3lewtp65y7c2k

ajsgray2.bsky.social•143 days ago

One terrorist was radicalized by ISIS, the other by Fox News, Donald Trump, & Vladamir Putin.

jhmustapha.bsky.social•143 days ago

Both ex-military too.

jamackinn.bsky.social•143 days ago

Nearly a year ago Aaron Bushnell self immolated because of the violence in Gaza and didn't get half the interest that Livelsberger has gotten already.

incompetusrex.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yeah, the double standard is bs. The Cybertruck guy was calling for purges.

mpchlets.bsky.social•143 days ago

I wonder why?

tmzinnen.bsky.social•143 days ago

As Sonny and Cher noted, The Beat Goes On—here in Bsky

tmzinnen.bsky.social•143 days ago

Amen.

Remind me: Which one was black and Muslim and which one was white and Christian?

mikeingl.bsky.social•143 days ago

Maybe because the one guy only killed himself while the other guy murdered a bunch of innocent people? Seems important.

soniqstylz.bsky.social•143 days ago

The Guardian did almost the same sympathetic headline for the New Orleans attack.

imperatorgabs.bsky.social•143 days ago

Both veterans, btw, which the greatest predictor for attacks of this sort, but guess that's only mentioned when you're white and it serves as a mitigating factor and nothing more. Weird.

marthanh.bsky.social•143 days ago

One killed as many people as he could in the process, other one just himself. You could make an argument for compassion for number two.

tubbles.bsky.social•143 days ago

The one that only killed himself still injured seven people and they only lived because he was incompetent at bomb making. Failing to kill a bunch of people because you're an idiot does not mean you deserve more sympathy.

marthanh.bsky.social•143 days ago

All that is true. I look at the two cases, and the outcomes, and still see enough difference to explain why they would be treated differently in the press.

tubbles.bsky.social•142 days ago

It's 100% just the color of their skin. The pattern of white guy killing his entire family before killing himself only to get treated in the exact same sympathetic way as this terrorist who wants to kill every single Democrat still holds.

jlwhitaker.bsky.social•143 days ago

All you need is their names to understand those headlines. Pictures will work as well. America is living through cursed times. Let's hope it ends before it self destructs.

dv8.bsky.social•143 days ago

Racism, I forgot. Thanks for the reminder. Clearly the main difference is that one guy was white and the other wasn't. Here I was considering the flag and the acts carried out. If they are downplaying anything, it's the political optics of Vegas because the media is afraid to speak out of turn.

tinks333.bsky.social•143 days ago

Hmmm. Could race have anything to do with it?

idogcow.bsky.social•143 days ago

We're never going to be a normal country again, are we?

dell.bsky.social•143 days ago

post-columbine levels of recklessness

torontowill.bsky.social•143 days ago

It's a kind of unconscious bias that is really pervasive, not just in media but in law enforcement and the justice system. If you see someone "like you" (white, middle class, Christian, etc.) do a bad thing, you seek explanation for "what tragic circumstances forced good man do bad thing".

torontowill.bsky.social•143 days ago

If you see someone not like you do bad thing, you are in threat assessment mode. You don't wonder "how could someone like me be bad?!", you wonder "how could I become the next victim". How can I know what other people around me might be equally dangerous.

gealto.bsky.social•143 days ago

Explicit ideological messages?

1. Running down people in New Orleans is fun since I hate everybody because 2nd wife dumped me.

2a. Went on camping road trip with Cybertruck, battery started burning, fireworks ignited, got locked in cab and killed self.

2b. Suicide with fireworks with my Gods.

fffanatic06.bsky.social•143 days ago

it's a sad situation when the Daily Mail paints the less flattering picture of the toxic right wing white guy

lisalarue.bsky.social•143 days ago

They were both radicalized and no excuses.

tehmud.bsky.social•143 days ago

As usual our large media continues to be a joke.

I'm gonna put on tinfoil hat and suggest they are pressured from the higher ups to spin things a certain way

rtp4th.bsky.social•143 days ago

Both Trump supporters.

thebookwizard.bsky.social•143 days ago

Qwhite interesting

tubbles.bsky.social•143 days ago

I hate this fucking country and the absolutely diseased state of the media.

tomscocca.bsky.social•141 days ago

Mad Enough to Blog It™ https://defector.com/how-crazy-was-the-las-vegas-cybertruck-bomber

headdoc35.bsky.social•141 days ago

Both served on the same North Carolina Army base, but one was white. So-there’s that.

chickpea7.bsky.social•143 days ago

what could account for the difference

rodeonew.bsky.social•143 days ago

One killed 14 people brandishing an Isis flag and died in a shootout. The other killed himself and set off fireworks. 🤷‍♂️

jmcrowell.bsky.social•143 days ago

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-are-publications-sugar-coating-livilsbergers-political-minifestos

booktweeting.bsky.social•143 days ago

read the manifesto

he wanted to fuck everything up, he was just bad at it

rodeonew.bsky.social•143 days ago

Read it. I also read that as a green beret he received training on how to kill people. His family confirmed that he knew how to kill lots of people if he chose to. It wasn’t that he was bad at killing lots of people. He didn’t try.

tubbles.bsky.social•143 days ago

He hurt seven people and his bomb was incompetently made. If he were less of an idiot he would have killed those people.

booktweeting.bsky.social•143 days ago

he wanted to inspire mass killings, and he failed at that

rodeonew.bsky.social•143 days ago

I guess I’m sympathetic to people that commit suicide because I was close to a friend that died by his own hand. They seem tragic to me and it doesn’t surprise me that their thoughts can be very anti-social. But their actions matter to me and I find it significant that the guy didn’t harm anyone.

booktweeting.bsky.social•143 days ago

it’s great that he didn’t succeed in harming anybody but himself, but his manifesto spells out that he hoped to trigger the death of at least 75 million people with his action

scbrownaa.bsky.social•143 days ago

It’s racism, and the adopted Muslim name-that’s all🤷‍♂️

jasonmendoza.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sounds about white.

intowalls.bsky.social•143 days ago

Guess which one was white

ccvo.bsky.social•143 days ago

One guy killed 15, the other killed only himself. Suicide is more sympathetic.

antifagurl.bsky.social•143 days ago

Same domestic terrorism. Just a different religion

kanna-banana.bsky.social•143 days ago

so whoever said we were seeing the school-shooterization of terrorism was off the mark

instead terrorists are just cops now

tpshea.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

micheil.bsky.social•143 days ago

Why wasn't cyber truck guy a terrorist? Once you start exploding stuff in a public place with an agenda... sure sounds like terrorism to me.

ucgoldenbears.bsky.social•143 days ago

jedilaw.bsky.social•143 days ago

Gee, how are the two men different? What could it be?

*ponders*

gauchohaulic.bsky.social•143 days ago

It’s gotten to the point where I have a visceral reaction when I see that particular NY Times font in a screenshot.

crs1.bsky.social•141 days ago

"I just work here and repeat the narrative memes we turn into stories. I don't have any power to CHANGE this structure..." -- NYTimes & WaPo editors

gdinwiddie.bsky.social•143 days ago

«We can’t have double standards when an attacker is a white MAGA supporter versus when it’s an [African American] man who converted to Islam like Din-Jabbar. I don’t say that just because it’s unfair. But more importantly, it makes us less safe.»
https://deanobeidallah.substack.com/p/vegas-bombing-was-an-act-of-maga

afbourque.bsky.social•143 days ago

Oh wow, I'm sure there's no sort of economic or social difference between the two--WAIT, WHAT???

myidolbillhicks.bsky.social•143 days ago

WaPo’s story had a bunch of wistful quotes from his ex-girlfriend lamenting that he was the one that got away

lornrocks.bsky.social•143 days ago

Hmmm gee. Now why could this be? 😒

queenattolia13.bsky.social•143 days ago

What else is new?

jay-baller-reborn.bsky.social•143 days ago

Linking things to Islamic terrorism is like a warm blanket for white people

womanatmile0.bsky.social•143 days ago

Racism

sirschming.bsky.social•143 days ago

Typical

anton-symeth.bsky.social•141 days ago

What shade the skin?

wurzle.bsky.social•143 days ago

volcanojess.com•143 days ago

Came here to look for this. Not disappointed.

wurzle.bsky.social•143 days ago

Squeeeee my fave vulcanologist commented....

volcanojess.com•143 days ago

Excited you have a fave volcanologist and honored to be that person! 🌋

wurzle.bsky.social•143 days ago

Volconologist ffs

gartmartin9.bsky.social•143 days ago

NYT also goes over the top trying to link to ISIS. But if you read the piece, he never attended mosques, showed no interest in religion most of his life (his father's original last name was Young). He fits mass shooter profile not political terrorism. Angry guy who is mentally unsound.

tomscocca.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yeah they've been banging away on the ISIS thing, doing explainer coverage about the current worldwide status of ISIS, and there seems to be zero evidence that this guy was anything but a deranged person who thought the ISIS brand was cool

gartmartin9.bsky.social•143 days ago

100%
While his mass murders should of course be A1 and be deeply reported--for the NYT to leave out the Vegas guys call to use the military to take over DC, remove Dems by any means necessary etc--sounds like a very deliberate choice. And a dishonest one.

147852bb.bsky.social•143 days ago

NOLA attackers niece went on Hasan abi twitch and said his life was a mess and second divorce put him over the edge. Also huge financial issues. Kids didn’t talk to him.

natespeed.bsky.social•142 days ago

People planning to commit suicide often end up self-isolating, deliberately driving away friends and family to lessen the sting of their own death.

I'm wondering if the ISIS bits were part of that - that this wasn't a genuine follower, but someone trying to make sure no one would miss him.

147852bb.bsky.social•142 days ago

Honestly that is the feeling I got too. “If I’m going out better make sure they listen … oh ISIS would make them put me on the news for a week!”

bigpoison.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yep. He’s just a garden-variety violent misogynist. The white dude is actually the radicalized extremist.

gartmartin9.bsky.social•143 days ago

Josh Marshall pointed out the sanitizing by big media of the Vegas guy. His manifesto (see below), called on removing Dems from govt (by any means necessary). Full on angry MAGA. Supports Trump & his boss Musk. NONE of this in NYT--already going full Vichy
https://nevadacurrent.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/PO-003a-01-03-25-Livelsbergers-Letters.pdf

radlein.bsky.social•143 days ago

tbf, there IS a SIGNIFICANT difference between killing a shitload of people and dying in a shootout with cops vs. a public self-immolation that kills no one else

blues82.bsky.social•143 days ago

He parked a truck in a hotel driveway and blew it up. The fact that no one but him died was pure luck, not a point in his favor

zeroisanumber.bsky.social•143 days ago

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

positivesubway.bsky.social•143 days ago

They like Trump and it would be bad if people knew that the Vegas bomber supported him https://bsky.app/profile/joshtpm.bsky.social/post/3lewhne7o7c2y

priyachand.bsky.social•143 days ago

Exactly this, they'd have to admit it's trump who radicalized this man.

lolamina.bsky.social•142 days ago

To disturbed native Americans did this. Just because one of them bought an Isis flag off of the Internet does not mean that he is any more or less radicalized than the other one.

calicoprincess.bsky.social•143 days ago

just like you can only be a “patriot” if you’re a republican. usa is so twisted and corny in their narrative. Al Gore,Vietnam Vet….yet, george w bush “patriot” …corny as hell🙄.

calicoprincess.bsky.social•143 days ago

EXACTLY. I picked up on this immediately 😒

pchidel.bsky.social•143 days ago

And this is why we Dems KNOW the Corporate Media has been bought by Trump’s buddies. The Fourth Establishment has failed us.

renajane.bsky.social•143 days ago

Still waiting to hear about the "assassination attempt" on Donald Trump. *crickets*

bocckob.bsky.social•143 days ago

When folks post ridiculous headlines, it would be helpful to include the source so I can verify it's real and then ignore future articles from them.

poundsterling.bsky.social•143 days ago

So I don't disagree with you, but I'd like to mention that one of them was flying a literal ISIS flag as he killed people.

rustybertrand.bsky.social•143 days ago

He was a US born veteran. He can't read Arabic.

Merch.

poundsterling.bsky.social•143 days ago

Ok? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I don't speak Arabic either but I understand what an ISIS flag means even if I can't decode the specific glyphs.

realturkana.bsky.social•143 days ago

And people from which demographic attacked the Capitol four years ago Monday? And a man from which demographic attempted an assassination last summer?

Nothing to see here. Move along.

nalyd620.bsky.social•143 days ago

🎯

docbs.bsky.social•143 days ago

What could possibly explain the difference????

serenedip.bsky.social•143 days ago

How many people did they kill?

johnbrownwasright.bsky.social•143 days ago

Why does that matter?

serenedip.bsky.social•143 days ago

Is killing people worse than not killing people?

johnbrownwasright.bsky.social•143 days ago

You realize people are in prison for life for attempted murder? Happenstance is the only reason the Tesla wacko didn't kill more people. Look up the definition of terrorism and get back to me.

serenedip.bsky.social•143 days ago

I think he wanted to go out with fireworks.

I think it's unsurprising that people are less focused on him and his motives than the NOLA guy who killed other people.

johnbrownwasright.bsky.social•143 days ago

Because he is white. If the situation was reversed the number of people murdered wouldn't even be brought up

futureed.bsky.social•143 days ago

Is that what determines what the motivation for a terror attack is?

serenedip.bsky.social•143 days ago

Only one was a terror attack.

futureed.bsky.social•143 days ago

How so? the Vegas guy wanted to radicalize people to purge democrats.

serenedip.bsky.social•143 days ago

By committing sparkling suicide in Elon's hideous cybertruck

futureed.bsky.social•143 days ago

Being bad at terrorism doesn't mean it's not terrorism

nowhereman007.bsky.social•143 days ago

Always a huge assumption that mentally ill is a reason to explain mass murder. It’s not.

bigpoison.bsky.social•143 days ago

Yep. Weird how that happens

chico-and-boots.bsky.social•143 days ago

You mean the black guy got different treatment than the white guy? Shocking.

dubsww.bsky.social•143 days ago

The trauma slant extensively relies on quotes from 1 source- an ex-girlfriend who hadnt really been in touch for years. The scary slant has quotes from at least 3 different folks (half bro, neighbor, mosque members). Ergo the writer’s bias and limited sources led him to center “trauma” as the cause.

rotortorture.bsky.social•143 days ago

One is white, another brown

kaboombox.bsky.social•143 days ago

steinlaus90.bsky.social•143 days ago

Well it is a real thing that moslems and black people that do something like that are handled worse in the media than white people, but i think in that instance its a lot about one guy killing a lot of people and the other guy only himself.

datashade.bsky.social•143 days ago

"writing this article about how Luigi Mangione has white privilege suuuuuuuucks"
"well good news, Bill, we're putting you on the domestic terrorism beat"

reinemargaux.bsky.social•143 days ago

They were both radicalized. That needs to be repeated.

carriewhet.bsky.social•143 days ago

I can’t stop thinking there is another story as to the motives of the Las Vegas guy - disturbed or not the “spectacle” he chose to create does not match his stated motivation. Seems like a re-worked narrative to me.

foreverambre.bsky.social•143 days ago

“This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles
and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?”

How so?

carriewhet.bsky.social•143 days ago

That Americans only pay attention to spectacle is undisputed. But a “stunt” doesn’t match up with a “suicide” and why in a location that draws attention to those you supposedly support rather than your targets? Yes, I realize that logic doesn’t always follow.?

foreverambre.bsky.social•143 days ago

Drawing attention to Trump and Musk this way is a positive to his intended audience. He gave his life for his ‘cause’. He wanted the optics of self immolation for his protest but took the easy way out. Things don’t need to make sense when you’re fvcked in the head.

jaymarose.bsky.social•143 days ago

Its pretty clear, from all the time they spent in diners and cafés, the New York Times has decided that culling Democrats isn’t a radical ideology.

Domestic abuse & a generation with PTSD from SCHOOL, then the army to pay for school, then for voting or walking on a crowded street on New Year’s Eve.

patricjreynolds.bsky.social•143 days ago

I only regret that I do not have another NYT subscription to cancel.

premonitions.bsky.social•143 days ago

Sounds about white

socalbookish.bsky.social•143 days ago

infamousmat.bsky.social•143 days ago

They should have used a more fair & accurate headline: Both these terrorists suck shit.

watchdogprg.bsky.social•143 days ago

Both men were captive to extreme dogmatic thinking. They get locked into that box with no escape as their thinking did not comport with reality. Frustration sets in, then anger, then they chose a violent exit.

funky16corners.bsky.social•143 days ago

Green Beret wanted to lock down DC by force and eradicate Dems. No big deal…😳

supaterryrules.bsky.social•143 days ago

I know but one guy killed a bunch of people and the other guy just killed himself. They were both assholes.

jmski80.bsky.social•142 days ago

Both of these men were terriorist, they become terriorist the moment they planned and executed their plans to use violence to commit an ideological political act that was intended to create terror beyond the initial damage.

jmski80.bsky.social•142 days ago

The reason why they became terrorist is not relevant to the act or reporting the act, only to preventing future radicalization and future acts. The media and politicians need to get this point.

photonicsmarketing.com•143 days ago

Which one of them was a person of color?

togop.bsky.social•142 days ago

Random acts of violence followed by totally predictable and expected acts of racism.

sefrench.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

knitchic73.bsky.social•143 days ago

📌

booktweeting.bsky.social•143 days ago

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emmadramaturgy.bsky.social•143 days ago

I will autodefenstrate, I am sick of this shit.

dtipson.bsky.social•142 days ago

guy one was trying to... idk, there's no real plausible purpose to a one off ISIS attack here in the US.
Guy 2 was trying to explicitly spark The Purge happening in this county, a far more plausible danger, given that it's linked to a powerful MAGA, militias, and entire propaganda networks

existential-joy.bsky.social•142 days ago

To be fair, one of them only killed a known domestic abuser, so maybe it's like Dexter. Sigh. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-are-publications-sugar-coating-livilsbergers-political-minifestos

pdxamy.bsky.social•143 days ago

Two sides of same coin and they are so caught up in their own hate and anger that they can’t see it.

billiejsweeney.bsky.social•143 days ago

An example of how the nyt consistently puts its thumb on the scale. It’s in the framing, the stories covered v those ignored, the sources used v those dismissed.