At least a billion dollars. Why are there Citizens of the CPC who hold stock options, trade investments, and own CAPITAL. The state apparatus has absorbed much of the industrial bureaucratic elements into itself, and many party members are millionares.
China's a really interesting experiment because the whole idea is to let in a little capitalism in, enough that the real capitalists do what capitalists do and move production over there; have a few generations where people can get rich, then clamp down. Will it turn out that way? 🤷♂️!!
the moment that commodity production is ended and the state is abolished for the council workers state/association and we give all the kids baseball bats to go after them like some absurd piñata hunt.
While fully acknowledging the utility of violence, I think there's a very understated value in deprogramming and educational correction. They're hateful little freaks, for sure, but there must be something to salvage if they're amenable to Marxist symbology and terminology at all.
they're not. they know nothing about marxism, they don't even have a cursory understanding of it.
not only that, but they are more harmful than you think. these are dangerous fascists and need to be removed. (the influencers I mean, not the followers, but maybe some of them too)
You've been here longer than I have, so you're aware that the near-universal response to the ☭ is complete mental shutdown and a refusal to engage in good faith. I see value in being deprogrammed out of this response, but we need to seal the Browderite rabbit holes.
But if you want a more material answer, then: "When they actually pose a threat to both the general population and the socialist project at all." Conveniently, they've been a very self-containing issue.
I fucking hate Hinkle so much, he's like if a chud took "Nazis were socialist because they called themselves National Socialists" to heart and made it his personality. nazbols get the wall
"GDP per capita of Cuba is way worse than any other Caribbean nation"
I implore you to actually look at the absolute squalor that most people in Caribbean nations live in and rethink that shit. Sure, the GDP per capita is pretty high if you include hotel and casino owners.
Aruba is one of the wealthiest, and also, you can go to the impoverished part of the island where most of the workers live that is built entirely around an oil refinery complex that looks post apocalyptic.
see also Dubai, where the majority of actual labor is performed by trafficked de facto slaves and essentially all the cash comes from resource extraction and international money laundering
In my experience of Cuba (2004) there seemed to be no extreme poverty, but a the standard of living was very low for almost everyone.
The notable exceptions were a much higher standard of living for the "elevated" members of the Communist party
Two economists are walking in a forest when they come across a pile of shit.
The first says to the other, "'Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit. Minutes later, they repeat this, roles reversed.
heard an old one about U Chicago economists. A student walks into class saying “Professor I found a hundred dollar bill on the ground!” and he says “That’s nonsense, surely if there were a hundred dollars on the ground someone would’ve picked it up by now.”
Neither a completely socialist economic system nor a completely capitalist economic system are perfect systems because they fail to take greed into account for different reasons.
Humans have historically and consistently both used fairness as the basis for complaints about other people getting more support than they are, as well as use competition as the basis for exploitation.
Deep down, human beings are inherently selfish, with even selfless acts being borne from selfish intentions (you feel good about yourself when you help others and want more of that satisfaction and dopamine). The ideal economic system needs to take that into account in order to be successful.
marxists disagree with this bourgeois myth. "It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness." - marx. capitalism institutionalizes greed while socialism seeks to abolish the conditions that necessitate it.
Thing is, that is less of a myth and more of a practical reality. Intentional communities fail all the time due to infighting off of the allocation of resources (which is born from greed).
what you're describing is greed arising not from human nature but from material conditions. its scarcity in your example, something often manufactured under capitalism due to prioritizing profit over equitable distribution
If there's one critique I have of socialist societies, it's that they are inarguably worse than capitalist societies in the "Number of people with more than 5 yachts" and "People with their own private space program" metrics
Really?
Prove it.
Show me the data = FACTS to support your opinion.
Otherwise I think you are simply self-deluded.
But it's OK, many pro-capitalists have been known to swallow their own propaganda and still live in fantasy.
the thing you are replying to is a joke. they are literally taking what nerd.jpg said and riffing on it. you read half of it, missed the joke, and got mad.
you don't deserve the courtesy of me trying to help you a second time, but here you go.
Can you not be dicks about a post that reads as sincere because the person posting it made no clear attempt to convey they were being insincere? If you must know an obscure, or otherwise niche, reference in order to understand the post as a joke, then you must also expect some to misunderstand it
What? Do you think it's difficult to understand that only capitalism produces people with more than 5 yachts? It doesn't read as sincere. At all. It's very clear that people stopped reading halfway through and then couldn't just be like "oh shit, my bad."
Additionally socialist experiments of the 20th century have been put upon by their capitalist counterparts. I’m no fan of Stalin, but post-WWII he expected friendly relations with the West in hopes of increased trade/aid. Washington rejected this. They rebuilt alone w incredible success.
Stalin was a fucking Fascist. The dream of Russian Communism was killed in its crib when Lenin had Trotsky's Red Army turn on the Ukrainian Anarchists who were fighting alongside the Red Army in the civil war and then Lenin Shut down the Worker Soviets.
Ok. Sure. They put away communists and anarchists and cadets and SRs alike. And yea, you can draw a line between USSR in practice and fascism. That has nothing to do with my point. The country still had echoes of socialism w labor class having a good measure of protection
its why you have to do it from a Socialistic Lense or Anarchist Lense. I know us Left Marxians and LibSocs can be annoying with "commodity production" "chairman tho" "alienation of labor"
but we're not comparing the small AES nation in the third-world to Argentina or whatever.
Are there "free trading stock markets" in Communist countries?
I doubt it
There were none in the USSR.
Fascist Russia has abused their stock market so badly only "fools rush in".
The Chinese stock market is manipulated by the government, and the biggest "corporations" are government controlled.
Damn, those fucking communist countries (And also, Russia, a very much capitalist country you decided to throw in because you are perpetually trapped in 1973) don't have private ownership over the means of production?
OMGoodness - it's an ignorant USEFUL IDIOT!
Capitalist country?
You are SELF-DELUDED!
Let me re-phrase it for simpletons.
Communism collapsed in Russia in 1992.
Putin was first "elected", then engineered his fascist state of oligarchs (who is Simeon Mogilevich?
Educate yourself - it's free!
1) "communism" did not collapse in 1992. They had already begun dismantling and privatizing before that.
2) yes, communism stopped being the economic system, and it became capitalist. What is your point? Why did you post about how Russia is capitalist as if that proves its not capitalist?
Russia embraced a hybrid system of capitalism (similar to China) after 1992 to attract foreign investment. I worked for a few years.
Then Putin and his mafia oligarchs (who is Simeon Mogilevich?) transformed the dynamics into a fascist "mafia" state, which it remains today.
It is NOT capitalist!
I don't follow the people you're arguing with so I just see you doing the "make up a guy to get angry at" thing except with the haunting knowledge that YOU'RE NOT MAKING THEM UP. It's very ominous.
They have to be, as their lust for profiting from the exploitation of labour and natural resources so rapaciously outpaces the ability of the world we live in to enable those resources.
Anyone who thinks "profit" without extensive qualification is a valid economic metric has never heard of Hollywood accounting. You've heard that a metric that becomes a target no longer works; well, this is also true when it becomes a hazard.
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Socialist societies prioritize security, stability, and access often at the expense of capitalist profit motives.
The two function with different goals.
Listen to pink ball.
Nope, sure didn't.
not only that, but they are more harmful than you think. these are dangerous fascists and need to be removed. (the influencers I mean, not the followers, but maybe some of them too)
he's a literal op and needs to be removed asap.
I implore you to actually look at the absolute squalor that most people in Caribbean nations live in and rethink that shit. Sure, the GDP per capita is pretty high if you include hotel and casino owners.
The notable exceptions were a much higher standard of living for the "elevated" members of the Communist party
The first says to the other, "'Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit. Minutes later, they repeat this, roles reversed.
Good news: their GDP went up $200!
Are you an expert in such a wide area of study? Post your CV?
Sentence 1: "Social sciences aren't real science"
Sentence 2: "Capitalism is superior, that's just basic economics"
Prove it.
Show me the data = FACTS to support your opinion.
Otherwise I think you are simply self-deluded.
But it's OK, many pro-capitalists have been known to swallow their own propaganda and still live in fantasy.
you don't deserve the courtesy of me trying to help you a second time, but here you go.
but we're not comparing the small AES nation in the third-world to Argentina or whatever.
I doubt it
There were none in the USSR.
Fascist Russia has abused their stock market so badly only "fools rush in".
The Chinese stock market is manipulated by the government, and the biggest "corporations" are government controlled.
Fucked up.
Capitalist country?
You are SELF-DELUDED!
Let me re-phrase it for simpletons.
Communism collapsed in Russia in 1992.
Putin was first "elected", then engineered his fascist state of oligarchs (who is Simeon Mogilevich?
Educate yourself - it's free!
2) yes, communism stopped being the economic system, and it became capitalist. What is your point? Why did you post about how Russia is capitalist as if that proves its not capitalist?
Then Putin and his mafia oligarchs (who is Simeon Mogilevich?) transformed the dynamics into a fascist "mafia" state, which it remains today.
It is NOT capitalist!
i knew it was him, somehow. i'm guessing it's not the material conditions of the apple tree that caused it to not be an orange tho
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