Thiel was trying to carefully say most of humanity needs to die so rich, white people like him can live forever in cyborg bodies, but he didn't know how to do that without sounding like an absolute freak.
Ugh. Rich guy doing what rich guys since agriculture started have always done: “Oh no! I’m getting old! I don’t want to die. Why should I die. I’m so rich I should find a way to live forever. Let me try sacrificing my minions/become a god/ build a tomb and put all my stuff in it/ transhumanism etc”
Today's transhumanists are the same old banal thing that's been around for ages: wanting to stay the same, in power, for ever. No changes but brain gadgets.
Thiel thinks he’s so clever and an original thinker, but he’s just like any other of the rich, bored, aging men through history. So much money they can’t spend it so they start obsessing about eternal life so they never have to leave their money.
It's especially wild b/c Christianity can soothe that fear. "Death isn't the end of existence, there's an eternal paradise waiting for believers, etc." BUUUT, Jesus said rich people can't come!
Rock: death is the end
Hard place: death isn't the end, but I'm not allowed in heaven
Option 3: Robot?
There are certainly no cautionary tales about this behavior! Nope. None at all. My eyes are rolling hard enough to give me whiplash right now, to make the sarcasm clear.
Yep! If only today’s billionaires had read the Epic of Gilgamesh (to the end) instead of letting their money give them an acquired brain injury, then future generations might have gotten Star Trek. Instead it looks like we’re getting the end of Don’t Look Up 😑😒
They appear to believe this is a high-level intellectual and philosophical exchange of ideas that will inform and enlighten humanity, when in reality it's simplistic drivel that would shame a 1st year undergraduate seminar
That's the problem, isn't it? We're stuck in the fanfiction mashup of Hubbard, Heinlein, Rand, and Tolkien written by a couple of college kids who thought the villains were cool.
Agreed. Your average parish rector in Nowheresville has a deeper understanding of philosophy, theology, and metaphysics than these two frauds pretending to be some sort of High Catholic scholar and some tech-philosopher sage.
the bad ideas refuse to die because having oodles of money guarantees that people will take your bad ideas seriously and pretend they are brand new ideas to do so
all the money in the world and he chooses stretched-out-neck brown tshirt. but yeah definitely bro share your opinions on the limitations of cRoSsDReSsInG
Yeah I posted on another post and I agree with you
The tech guys hope AI will bring them immortality in a long lasting robot body and a quantum brain while the rest of society fades away in the passages of time
I want the species to survive, so I want to decrease the population to something more sustainable to the planet. This idiot is searching for immortality which will make that problem worse. Plus he's talking about spare parts, well we can't grow them yet, so where are they going to come from? Psycho.
it's hard for him to answer because he wants to say "not all of humanity, just whites" and he knows he hasn't deported enough "browns" or scared enough whites to get away with it yet
Neither of these idiots makes any sense and they both pretend to understand each other. Also, looking at them, I can see why they’re both seeking new bodies.
Peter Thiel’s nihilistic transhumanism is inspired by Curtis Yarvin’s contempt for humanity, they’re psychotic. Advocating against healthcare while chasing bionic immortality for the few is funny. Humanity’s value isn’t conditional on tech or stagnation. He needs to be institutionalized.
He hand picked someone for each department in the executive branch. His endgame? To dismantle the govt & create a techno-feudalsit corporate dystopia where those who survive the cull become serfs. This isn’t innovation, it’s a call for genocide with a logo attached.
He’s fleeing his feeble present by imagining himself in an all-powerful future, so far from reality that he can’t even articulate it with his impoverished intellect. Pathetically adolescent.
This consistently lines up with their actions. Massive cuts to government science just means their own private entities hire the scientists. They want fewer human beings. It’s the most distilled form of selfishness the world has ever seen.
They’ll need to do a lot of human experimentation too to achieve their goal, so they need loyalist scientists and doctors and 0 regulations. Scary shit. Nazi shit.
That would be sensibly evil, but they're not sensible. They'll hire cranks, not scientists. I know it sounds like an itty-bitty difference, but I'm literally working on a satellite extremely important to landing humans on Mars, and the Administration has asked us to make a plan to brick it.
They’re also embedding themselves in defense. From contracts to tech lords siphoning off tech talent for “ai” goals, getting government to foot the bill.
Exactly. They seek a monopoly on violence. And soon they won’t even need to rely on a warrior class to wield it.
The sadness and emptiness that is at the core of this way of thinking is difficult to look at. We’ve all turned away from God but this is hard to comprehend.
Don’t blame this on a lack of religion. Blame it on the presence of religion. It’s religion that gives us the death cult of wanting to ruin the world in some misguided sense that if we trashed the place, the “second coming” will arrive sooner.
These are people whose development skipped the standard “facing and dealing with your own mortality” segment that most people go through in their teens and 20s. So much is about their being afraid to die.
And Yarvin's contempt for humanity crystalized geometrically when he acted as a self-selected judge over Usenet's talk.bizarre for years, digging for diamonds in shit, only to be steadily overwhelmed by the fallout of Eternal September.
Consciousness is produced by the brain. Imagine a river which is not the water or the channel but the water *flowing* asking the channel. Consciousness is electricity flowing along the neutral pathways. There isn't a consciousness 'thing' which can be picked up and put in a computer or a machine.
He is responsible for flooding the SF Bay Area with TESCREAL think tanks, companies, and propaganda. Through the tech cartel’s VC funds they monopolized everything, including the strategy for AI.
With it came a complete destruction of culture and diversity in thinking.
This monopolization stagnated tech innovation for two decades. We’re locked in time, in an alternate reality they created by controlling algorithms, news organizations, etc.
They claim big visions but deliver anything truly new or novel.
Then they blame the tech stagnation on feminism and “woke”.
Ross is a conservative Christian who believes in the rapture. In another part of the interview Ross kind of alluded to it and said that “it’s the only way you can gain eternal life”. Peter isn’t Christian, he’s playing on that belief so he can manipulate people into killing them.
You don’t think it’s weird that he bolstered his campaign & then encouraged him to become Catholic? Why do you think that is? why do you think JD Vance converted? because he’s clearly the politician Thiel hired to appeal to religious zealots..
happy to have the human race endure without these self-fellating wannabe wise guys and a few more librarians. In fact, I'd swap in 50 librarians for every billionaire, at least.
Every billionaire is worth at least 100 firefighters, 200 social workers, 300 librarians, and 1000 teachers. Probably more than that. Just one single billion dollars is a pretty obscene amount of money.
He’s nuts. And one day, he’s gonna die. Despite his pathological fear of that reality. The only question is how much damage he’s gonna be able to do to the rest of humanity before then.
Thiel believes he and his billionaire brethren should survive, with just enough peasants to do the cooking and cleaning and drudgery work, until they have perfected robotics, and they don't need peasants anymore. He's hesitating and stumbling as he tries to say this without saying this
Skull face, drinks blood, unimaginably wealthy, wants to end humanity. This dude is a caricature of a comic book villain. Just so unfathomably evil he's just having fun with it
I would expect this nosferatu-looking motherfucker to want his feeding stock to continue to survive so I'm pretty sure this entire answer is deflection
thiel should be considered a masterclass on reminding people that billionaires are not, by and large, any more intelligent or imaginative than the rest of us - and are in fact more often than not complete fucking dingbats who simply happened to be on the ground floor of the right startups
cause I sure don't have 22.4 billion dollars net worth, but I have an oral vocabulary within which my most common word choices aren't "uh" "er" and "like"
I think more then his inability to speak is his clear inability to think. He has correctly reasoned (imo) that people should have autonomy over their body, but he's had to tie himself in knots to exclude trans people from that. It doesn't go "far enough"? Fuck off, Peter.
think about how JD vance's senate bid was bailed out by 20 million dollars in funding from this guy, who is even less able to articulate a point or answer a question than joe biden was in the presidential debate
He’s a piece of shit because of his beliefs, not because he has trouble remembering the words. I have ADHD and I can’t remember the words for things sometimes and it didn’t make me a fascist.
I’m trying to say you’re kind of right, but you’re using soft ableism to get there. Don’t do that.
as a person of ADHD myself, I "get" occasionally losing the word you want to use and grasping for it in conversation. my workaround is usually shifting sentence, or subject till it pops in then shifting back. this is also a technique used in some speech therapy for various disorders.
that said, thiel isn't struggling to find a particular word, he's struggling to form a coherent sentence, starting to speak before having planned the sentence out, and also having lost the ability to even prepare his next words on the fly because his stream of consciousness is... barely conscious
be that because he's high off his ass, or because he's a moron.
amphetamines resolve this rather nicely. as a person of meth myself, I "get" how amphetamines can aid in resolving these speech issues. thiel is probably not on amphetamines here. if there's a parTy going on, it's at elon's house.
the reason nobody's been able to crack the code and find the brain trust behind trump and the GOP - it isn't because whoever it is, is so good they leave no trail
it's because there isn't one
they really are just complete idiots stumbling from crisis to crisis
christ watch tom homan answering questions at a presser for a few minutes. guy probably struggles with basic english wikipedia. the plot of bluey is difficult for him to follow. etc
Ok but like, damn, what does that say about the rest of the country though? When a bunch morons and imbeciles can take over just like that, without a plan or any idea of how anything even works and nobody with any brains or civility seems to be able to stop them.
politicians and oligarchs have forgotten to fear the people's wrath if they exploit them too much - because there just isn't any in the USA anymore. until trump
that kid who tried to take trump out during the campaign was probably brainwashed by iranian intelligence, but was just a bad shot
now you got mangione (allegedly) taking a CEO out in daylight and he probably would have gotten away clean if he was a bit more careful. he's a folk hero of the month. mamdani's the current one. the oligarchs want to take him out, I'm sure. if they do it could spark revolution. maybe it's time
there's a few who are intelligent. warren buffett is certainly brilliant at investing and banking. sometimes they succeed in tandem with someone brilliant at something else. steve jobs was a master at marketing. woz made the apple II, jobs got it to market. jobs without woz, you get the apple ///
most are like thiel and musk. general idiots in university who stumbled upon one or two good ideas which took off, made a fortune, big money makes more money when you invest it wisely. musk just lucked out twice, once with paypal and once with tesla, so got multiplicative benefit.
musk was on the edge of bankruptcy with spaceX and was one failed launch away from the end, but the rocket didn't blow up that day, the NASA contract came through, allowing him to get tesla off the ground when it was also near death. all success using other people's money. in his case, the USA's.
that's why musk is worth 10x thiel. thiel starts companies then walks after a while, making out but not taking much risk. if he'd kept a big stake in palantir he'd be worth what musk is right now. but both tesla and palantir are absurdly overvalued. they're all only worth what people will pay.
Humans-Transvestites-transexuals-Transhuman because the Old testament. Is that the progression that of their dream colorless, joyless, flavorless, stagnant dystopian vision. Oh yeah & Christianity something something. Fuck me
Honestly I can’t believe, as someone continually waving his faith as the one true path, Douthat didn’t come back with Hebrews 9:27 “It is appointed unto men once to DIE, but after this the judgment”. Aren’t you supposed to use the sword of the word Ross?
As a Greek Orthodox and student of Orthodox theology, I find their understanding of that philosophy to be totally off the mark. It is like someone calling a piano a wind instrument 🙄
wtf is this even about
theyre talking about furthering gender transition and how christianity views self change and the replies are all about transferring humanity into a simulation
“You know Ross, when I think about climate change— n- now- clime, take for example a climb, you go up, or thyme smells nice, or mesenchyme tissue whathaveyou, which reminds me: Sejm, the parliament of Poland,,,
He has his hands in pretty much every part of the executive branch. I think it’s important for people to understand what his beliefs are and how dangerous he is.
I first came across Theil in Christopher Wylie’s book ‘Mind Fuck’ as one of the early investors in Cambridge Analytica’s quest to disrupt democratic voting systems worldwide. He’s a lot more evil now than back then.
he has this bizare concept that somehow step 1 towards total body autonomy is antagonistic to step 10 rather than accepting that being trans is one of a small few fronteirs towards it
also literally everything he says about christianity is just straight up not correct lmao
like bucko the bible literally says you're not even supposed to get tattoos or piercings. some interpretations straight up prohibit surgery. how on earth does he think it's Pro Transhumanism in any respect?
no that part makes sense; kingdom hearts did a great job of showing the practical ramifications of dualism which i'd argue translates directly to other theologies.
I think there probably is something to the idea that, when you know you will never need to struggle for the needs of survival, things that make us animals (though intelligent), you subconsciously start to see yourself as something not human. Anyway liquidate their wealth and save the planet
I had wondered if he was aligned in some way to the crazy Christians. Now I know. Holy hat fuck. This is what happens with extreme wealth. Deep, all-encompassing mental illness. There is no connection to reality. This mentally ill man is compiling our data.
The *mantle of Christianity is made just for that. Mixed in with the LOTR style, feudal techie states (Yarvin) makes it more insane. I do not equate religion with personal faith.
This is fckn wild. One of the richest men in the world with this psychotic drivel. And people are upset Zohran wants to tax them 2% so the rest of us can eat. Tax them into oblivion.
I have an idea: Upload all thes ghuls like Thiel, Musk or Andreessen to a computer and then switch it of and destroy it. And the good part, no one will miss them 🤭
100%. Thiel coughs up deranged nonsense about cybernetic enhancement and organ replacement, and Douthat interrupts him to split a hair about whether salvation comes by faith or works.
I would think that stripping them of their combined assets and dumping them in a black site in the middle of nowhere would be more a propos. Why give the Russians more money and influencers?
Does the interviewer not know he's talking to a guy who's a billionaire who's rich because he can efficiently target and destroy human life in a cold, calculated, way. On top of that, he could wipe out homelessness and hunger but instead chooses to fantasize about this shit. Tax the rich, bigly
I would think that if I were a Christian interviewing Peter Thiel, my first question would be "You know you're going to burn in hell for creating what you did and not helping humanity with your vast wealth and abilities, right?" and if he said no, I would end the podcast.
he’s playing on the evangelicals obsession with the rapture. I don’t think he actually believes in Christianity he just using it as an excuse to manipulate people into killing them, lol
That checks out. I remember years ago meeting a guy who works in disaster work who said something like "it feels like we're close to the end" and I was like "damn, you seem to be giving up" and he said "no, the rapture is great, i can't wait" and I suggested he change careers like yesterday
i didn't expect trans people to be dragged into this dumb shit back and forth. "I want us to radically transform, um, not like trans people who are only doing uhhh it for sex, i'm talking about doing uhhh so much ketamine i become god"
at least we are getting laid, you leader looking piece of shit
Great example of the dangers of believing humanity is separate from the natural order.
Spiritualism and scientific progress are entirely reconcilable (in macro terms), imo, and all of these factors exist on an interpretive (and imo experientially immediate) spectrum. Not a binary.
Not only does having hundreds of billions of dollars do this to your mind, but we as a society elevate these diseased minds to such prominence you end up with creatures like this.
It's funny when you think about what maga conspiracy theorists have been screaming about Bill Gates/GMOs/5g/whatever the fuck else for the past decade. They were so easily fooled into voting for what they were most afraid of, it's pretty pathetic tbh
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but imo the ability to parse and reprocess ramblings like that into the essential bits like this comes from character limit language skills
Rock: death is the end
Hard place: death isn't the end, but I'm not allowed in heaven
Option 3: Robot?
Billions of dollars give these men acquired brain injuries.
And he’s definitely giving “mad as a hatter” (aka suffering from mercury poisoning) vibes…
Thus, they become #fascists.
The tech guys hope AI will bring them immortality in a long lasting robot body and a quantum brain while the rest of society fades away in the passages of time
Between Thiel and Yarvin there's enough cold, hard, seriously stupid misanthropy to bury Vance.
Someone should fund a campaign to do so now.
The sadness and emptiness that is at the core of this way of thinking is difficult to look at. We’ve all turned away from God but this is hard to comprehend.
He hates humanity on a deep level. He doesn’t see any value or beauty in life. It’s disturbing.
It always comes back to the basics.
With it came a complete destruction of culture and diversity in thinking.
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They claim big visions but deliver anything truly new or novel.
Then they blame the tech stagnation on feminism and “woke”.
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I’m trying to say you’re kind of right, but you’re using soft ableism to get there. Don’t do that.
amphetamines resolve this rather nicely. as a person of meth myself, I "get" how amphetamines can aid in resolving these speech issues. thiel is probably not on amphetamines here. if there's a parTy going on, it's at elon's house.
I assume there's some relatively smart nazis behind the scenes who know how to do think and make all this dystopian shit happen?
it's because there isn't one
they really are just complete idiots stumbling from crisis to crisis
that kid who tried to take trump out during the campaign was probably brainwashed by iranian intelligence, but was just a bad shot
What a fucking pair of dumbasses.
If you believe in a religious afterlife, then maybe it's a non-issue.
But otherwise... The fundamental nature of humanity would need to change.
Things like inequality (of ability)... Can't be addressed while humans are limited by evolution.
Transphobic
Misogynistic
Racist
Ableist
Bigoted
And classist
He is a man who wants to control it all but white and bright and techy.
Ideas made up like a NASCAR Trump Pop
theyre talking about furthering gender transition and how christianity views self change and the replies are all about transferring humanity into a simulation
What do these ideas have to do with each other beside that the words have the same prefix??
Skip: Of Course…
Stephen A Smith: BUT
Uh, I don’t know.
He wields immense power. Owns Palantir which has or will soon have unbelievable amounts of data about everything and everyone.
These are the oligarchs and they are weird as fk and very very dangerous.
also literally everything he says about christianity is just straight up not correct lmao
For context: https://youtu.be/P7XT4TWLzJw?si=-0vUduLE_T8agvUk
Absurd.
Too much money rots your heart, mind, and soul.
The dude is in some sick cult and should seek therapy.
at least we are getting laid, you leader looking piece of shit
(I don’t usually attack people based on looks but fuck that guy… and honestly it could explain some things.)
Spiritualism and scientific progress are entirely reconcilable (in macro terms), imo, and all of these factors exist on an interpretive (and imo experientially immediate) spectrum. Not a binary.