Musk is so busy reevaluating the situation, you would think he would evaluate himself. Maybe self-evaluation is not a symptom on the autistic spectrum.
If you use normal math, Trumps tax cuts will increase government debt, yet Republicans will undoubtedly use voodoo math predicting mass trickle down from the wealthiest and add that imaginary figure to balance their idiocracies
Campaign promises work at rallies with big words. Actual government requires work.
America had actual government for 4 years.
Now it's looking at a tsunami of incompetence.
Can't remember trump uttering a big word at a rally. Probably for two reasons. 1... he doesn't know any. 2... none of his supporters know what they mean anyway.
What about groceries? Not a lot of people knew that word before he said it, he brought that word into the mainstream vocabulary. It’s a good word, the best word.
With all the debt America has and the shit going on around the world you would think we could table the worthless space program for a while. I'm sick of feeding musk.
Their scam thievery is imploding but their treason remains. I have no faith or trust in the three branches or the institutions. And I absolutely don't trust either party and politicians.
We can find out if our Dem leadership gets a backbone and reminds them Every day in Congress what they aren’t going to do.. the legacy press is useless… but we aren’t…
It's a shame those who voted them in are too ignorant and uninformed to care that these guys are walking it all back. Probably even further validates the whole process is fake in their minds.
It was all worth it for them though. Anything to own the libs....
No. He will use it to defund NASA, deregulate the auto industry, bust the unions, etc., Basically DOGE is there so Elon can get whatever his microscopic black ❤ desires from the government.
The real reason is to privatize government functions in the name of ✌️efficiency ✌️and turn it over to billionaires for pennies on the dollar minting new American oligarchs .
Yes. Trump ain’t stupid. That’s why Trump gave him an imaginary department that exists on X only. If Elon starts cutting, GOP will be out of all the pork’s for their states. 😂😂😂😂
Too many people seem happy to believe what they almost certainly know to be lies because either 1 they are "people like us" (delusional) or 2 because they share a common hatred for "them". Most MAGA supporters won't care if none of the promises are kept.
As long as anyone educated, progressive and/or from a Blue state is hurt, Magats are happy. They don't even care if they get good things, as long as people they are jealous of are hurt. It's the "dog in the manger" syndrome.
Ah, so doge is actually gonna blow up the deficit as opposed to claimed cuts - seems on brand for these robber barons. At least needy kids will lose school lunches to help cover this.
Well, I must ask. What do you think of Elon Musk being in charge of a government efficiency dept? I mean, you know, he is involved with 12 different government supported departments right now. Including Homeland Security.
He’s trying to get brownie points for offering one month free to starlink to those affected by ca wildfires but you gotta pay for the system first. Sounds like drumming up new business to me.
Or maybe let the elderly hunt the billionaires for sport? Any billionaire that gets culled, gets his fortune and future proceeds/profits redistributed to the poor?
He has government contracts. Making him an unofficial government agency gives him the power to suggest things that would directly benefit him. For instance, he wants to defund NASA. He would then own the largest space exploration company and would likely get more gov contracts for it
Republicans only care about those things when there is a D next to the persons name. They want to protect the children, but don’t care about Matt Gaetz trafficking minors. They hated that Obama played golf but tfg played 4 times as much. You can do whatever with the right letter next to your name.
Phony apartheid might not be the best way to describe him. He did grow up during South African apartheid and given how he turned out its influence on him might be the most genuine thing about him.
I worked for a software consulting company. We'd make wild claims and told the clients whatever they wanted to hear.
The name of the game was get the business and worry about delivering later.
Does that mean they will shut down the DOGE shop. Why would it be efficient to support and office that is not efficient enough to do what was created for? Just checking.
The only things that surprise me about this is that:
- they're admitting it at all
- they're doing it before trump's even in office, or DOGE is up & running.
If any of his voters have critical thinking skills - this alone should prove it was all bull.
Exactly. A new department can’t just be created. Congress has to approve all that shit and define their responsibilities and limitations and etc etc etc.
The leaders of a real government agency are required by ethics rules to divest any conflict of interests. Vivek and Elon don’t really want it to be a real agency.
I’ve said before & I’ll repeat: if Musk really wanted to save the US Gov’t money, he’d perform all of his companies’ (StarLink, Tesla, SpaceX, X) US gov’t contracted work for free (lord knows he & his companies can afford it). 🤨 (Spoiler: he will not do this)
Musk will walk away, claiming his real work was in creating awareness, that the original goal was set purposefully high to achieve extraordinary results unattainable without his participation.
Then he’ll leave errand boy Vivek to do the work, so he can focus on being president-unelect.
And being replaced by Grand dreams of expansion. Because that’s what america’s are - dreamers. the largest ever shit show is coming to your town in a few days.
No betting needed! His pressure on the congressional minions to eliminate the debt ceiling (or was it to just raise it) pretty much told the world that the USA government spending will go through the roof.
any time the Rs get in they jack the deficit up a ton, every fucking time. 25% of our entire current deficit is from Orange Twathead's first term, and he was just getting started. he's beaucoup crazier now!
How come they believe in limited government and don’t want politicians telling them how to raise their families, but want book banning, prayer and Bible studies in schools.
Hypocrisy seems to be MAGAs middle name.
Freedom of speech as long as you agree with MAGA.
Freedom to practice religion as long as it’s Christian.
Democratic as long as you vote REPUBLICAN or they will incite an insurrection.
United except for Democratic states.
he was behind Brexit. look up "Arron Banks" to find the Russians' bagman for the operation. and the fucking Tories fell for it, cos they wanted to turn UK into Singapore-on-Thames. didn't work, of course.
Sad to say this, but MAGAts will blindly support President Musk and Dear Leader Dump without question. Especially with the capitulation of social media companies to the orange 💩. He will take everything from them and they’ll clap and cheer.
This guy thinks he's very important and cool, but he will be scorned by history. Yet, he isn't cultured, he doesn't read history, and he has no idea how people of his ilk end up.
This made me think back to the robber barons of the late 1800s in the US. So many of their names have been forgotten. One name that won’t be forgotten is Carnegie bcuz he built libraries. I’ve talked to ppl and mentioned some of the old names, such as the Asters, and people don’t know who they are.
Our era will probably be called the Birth of the Global Community, highlighting how it allowed for unprecedented development, but also that many minds were not ready and it provoked atavistic reactions that clever people took advantage of to thrive and generate dystopia.
Zuckerberg, Musk, Bannon and Trump will be remembered and studied as villains who did great harm to humanity and as examples of what should not be repeated.
If we do not confront them, they will lead us to technological feudalism, a dark age from which it may take centuries to emerge.
It shouldn’t yet DOES amaze me how crazy conflicting AND confusing “they” are. It’s a tactic. Which is why I made the decision early on to remain focused on “the job at hand” while remaining vigilant/informed. Thanks for this post.
You don't have to answer my questions, but you seem to have gone directly to a very strange assumption, which is going to make a conversation pretty difficult if you want it to be reasonable and polite, like grown ups.
Fake news from the first class,
Elon said that he's intention by saying 2 Trillion is the goal in the best scenario because even so can result in at least half of that figure and that's great as well !!!
framing it as if he took back what he said is "fake news and misinformation" !!!
And no republican will complain. And no voter will notice. Quite the opposite, republicans will still claim victory over doing nothing and will blame Democrats for whatever is perceived as failure.
What, man-boy Elon worry? NAAAH! No consequences. MAGATS are stupid and have very short term memories. They'll forget all of tRump's promises, lie about a few more, and then bend over to lick tRump's ass to start another day.
But Elon always keeps his promises or?
* Hyperloop
* LVCC Loop
* Solar Roofs
*Saving the kids trapped in an underwater cave
*Sending two mannen spaceships to Mars 2024
*Battery swap in 90 second
* Full self driving
* Jada jada
soon as I saw the topography of that cave, plus the size and non-bendable shape of Eeelon's supposed rescue vehicle I knew he was a fatuous damn fool. looked him up, he isn't even an engineer, 18 months at uni, FFS.
And I believe it’s because the literacy or illiteracy rate is 54% basic reading and comprehension is the plague on the land. And we older folks are the remaining recipients of the desire to have an edu sys to be envy of the world. Some of our kids got very good edu- but maybe need more
I've tried to politely categorize them giving the benefit of doubt. (1) uninformed (2) underinformed (3) misinformed (4) stupid. No more benefit of the doubt, they obviously fall into category 4...just plain stupid.
The incoming administration won’t stop his government contracts. They’ll probably give him more. He brought 🍊to make sure he gets more of those lovely tax payers dollars.
Of course not. I guess he is crying because he won't be getting as big of a tax break as Trump promised. Love how the uber wealthy don't think they should pay taxes.
Didn't John Oliver do a piece on this a few months back saying you'd need to sack almost, if not the entire civil government workforce to hit that number which is why it was always a nonsense promise.
The MAGAts only care about one thing: Owning the libs.
That is why they are so thrilled about electing a criminal orange conman: They know he upsets us.
The fact that he doesn't have the qualities needed to govern the country effectively has no bearing on their support.
🚀💸 Oh great, @elonmusk thinks he's a budget expert now? 🙄👀 How about focusing on paying your fair share of taxes instead of tweeting about DOGE? 🤑💸 #TaxTheRich #MuskNeedsToFocus 🚫💔
Agree that musk needs to focus or maybe he shouldn’t be doing this job. I really believe they need someone representing the everyday person in DOGE. Especially since they will cut budget for things that will largely affect everyday hard working Americans. We also need transparency into convos.
DOGE is made up BS
It doesn’t exist. Nobody voted for it, or the people who claim to part of it. It’s a silly idea that people willingly recognizing as real. Like the right and their ‘deep state’.
It shouldn’t even be a thing. It’s some weird acronym that actually means something else. As it is, we already have a budget office, we don’t need two wholly unqualified people taking away what we’ve paid into and earned!
They will most certainly only make decisions that will have a positive impact on themselves. For Musk, it’s all about money and power. He doesn’t hold the morals and values of the founders. He wasn’t from this country. Hope he proves me wrong.
That’s the answer but they are just moderating until the Insurrectionist-elect constitutionally ineligible to hold office via the 14th Amendment section 3 is placed into office by the people who swore their allegiance to and defense of the Constitution.
That won't happen. The concept was never about helping the everyday hard-working public. Just another PR stunt for the masses to give the super-rich more money.
Yep. Try to keep up Trump huggers. Pay attention to all his land grab ideas. He has no intention of taking care of you! Oh, but he might want to draft you kids. Do you remember talk about military schools? Yeah......didn't think so.
Not the incentive you were looking for? Shucks.
I came to the conclusion that they were unlikely to fulfill the commitments they had made. Their past behavior and lack of follow-through on previous promises led me to believe that their assurances were not trustworthy.
I can't resist a history lesson bc I think the Dems talk-up Bill Clinton's "best economy of our lifetimes+budget surplus" more. BUT Clinton did the same thing: post-election he had a "summit" (including Ross Perot), trashed his economic platform, & moved to a modest hike on rich/upper middle class.
That's why I wish the Democrats would campaign on "doing what Bill Clinton did" and note how great his progressive moves were (in the face of doomsday predictions from the GOP). My take on Reagan is complicated - there's a line I've heard about Churchill that I apply to him (ctd)
"He was wrong about everything but the most important thing." For all the cruelty in the way he defeated inflation, "starve the beast," attacks on the poor, Iran-Contra, etc. I'm not sure how the world would look but-for his aggressiveness against the USSR. Maybe soviet weaknesses would have (ctd)
We all know they are terrible economic managers so this comes as no surprise as they also lack the balls to stand by there own promises or convictions ....Wimps!
The way he's pissing off the UK, Germany etc for sticking his nose where it doesn't belong, we may not have to worry about him either. Eventually, they both will do/say something so intolerable that it can't be ignored without action. Orange Dump hasn't even been inaugurated & several countries are
I think you'll find he too is doing what he's supposed to. He and Trump are united in wrecking America in as many ways as they can. That doesn't 100% mean they can: if the guy could have cut the whole budget and told the Army to start swimming to Greenland he would've. He can make trouble, though.
Well, whomever does the deed, we sane Americans support you fully ;) it would spare this world from much unnecessary pain. Watching Carter's state funeral seeing that orange jerk there boils my butt! He is the most dishonorable, decorum-bereft idiot in my lifetime!
The idiots have a country next to them with a porous border, full of people that can easily look and sound like Americans, and the best snipers on the planet.
The bullet would have arrived at least 3 seconds before the sound, which means the bad guys were standing there, doing bad-guy stuff, and suddenly one of them dies in a very bloody manner. That had to freak the survivors out.
And, as for Musk, you can damn well believe there are foreign security services looking into options. That is the weak spot in the powerful rich....they think they are above it all. They are not.
Elon probably thought he could fire all teachers and have children teach themselves online using Starlink. Elon Musk is a Colossal A$$hole as well as a hideous, malignant narcissistic douche nozzle
McConnell was satisfied for Trump to pull in voters, so he could rule the Senate. Is that "old school"?
They also see Trump aging and "on his way out" with the very slow rate of changes that Senators consider (they aren't quick to do anything), so they have to prepare for what comes after Trump.
It’s on Democrats to regroup, get our messaging act together, and point out their hypocrisy and how we offer a better choice. Yes, it should be obvious, but most of the electorate is woefully misinformed.
True, but for starters, at the national level, how about we try a simplify and repeat approach focused on the economy rather than the latest distraction. Designate a team to craft SHORT, CLEAR Democratic messages. Focus on one key point at a time, repeated relentlessly across all platforms.
Yes, all true but to disseminate the message we need a reliable medium that is seen and heard by more people. Right now we don't have that. The MSM is clearly in the tank for Trump. I don't think the left leaning substack newsletters and youtube videos are enough. I am frightened for our future.
I am, too. But every day I see Democratic leaders on national news programs who talk on lofty terms, and without clear, concise messages repeated across the board. That’s a start. Simplify and repeat. Contrast with clarity.
The information is out there but because the media is now dominated by RW billionaires the people that need to hear the truth never will and it will only get worse. Think Russian state tv.
Yes, the media domination will only get worse. This makes it important to get involved at the local level. Start getting candidates on local boards (elected and volunteer). Get consistent, EASY TO UNDERSTAND messages out locally via letters to the editor. Publish pamphlets highlighting Dem policies.
Thank you Miss Cami. In our household messaging is at the center of every conversation about the needs of the future. In a red state we are destined for backwaters unless the national party can get it together.
Thank you for your involvement. I’m in a blue state but a very red rural county - surrounded by them, too. I choose to be active in my local
Democratic Party. We do what we can. It’s an uphill battle in these parts, but inroads take time and persistence.
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America had actual government for 4 years.
Now it's looking at a tsunami of incompetence.
https://youtu.be/dXfzU6tS-b4?si=vTVgzzDEnHKUAMSA
Deaf ears, though
It was all worth it for them though. Anything to own the libs....
My sympathy levels continue to fall
Leon is a deadbeat dad…
God, he is such a Moron.
Pronounced DOUCHE.
🙄
Just a heads up for everybody so you can see where this is headed .
I can’t trust Elon isn’t already snooping on his Internet customers so I’m not inclined to have him handle any kind of telecommunications.
Between the licensing fees and the surplus in Social Security - they'd probably get there!
DOGE is a fake entity with no political power designed to placate Elon Musk and let him pretend he is part of the administration.
The name of the game was get the business and worry about delivering later.
What's changed?
It’s almost like it was all nonsense
Does that mean they will shut down the DOGE shop. Why would it be efficient to support and office that is not efficient enough to do what was created for? Just checking.
- they're admitting it at all
- they're doing it before trump's even in office, or DOGE is up & running.
If any of his voters have critical thinking skills - this alone should prove it was all bull.
Anyone that knows anything about the US budget knew you couldn't trim nearly that much.
Now, "I" recommend you cut 2/3 of Tesla & SpaceX budgets (pay your fair share on your income gains) and see how things go.
king donOld the vindictive’s surfs depend on them.
The Apartheid kid with Nazism in his vains opened his mouth again. What the moron said - who cares? 🤮 So filled with inhumanity and evilness... 🤮
trumps presidency followed by the
we told you phase …..
Some of the things I've heard the US media say after the 'Conquer Greenland' press conference was some Tokyo Rose shit. Send them all to prison.
I'm guessing that won't be true in Trump's administration.
Then he’ll leave errand boy Vivek to do the work, so he can focus on being president-unelect.
Freedom of speech as long as you agree with MAGA.
Freedom to practice religion as long as it’s Christian.
Democratic as long as you vote REPUBLICAN or they will incite an insurrection.
United except for Democratic states.
If we do not confront them, they will lead us to technological feudalism, a dark age from which it may take centuries to emerge.
Gosh, they aren't that selfish!
he just wants it for himself, personally.
Con men are swindlers and liars.
It's sickening listening to their BS.
Color me shocked.
I would'st fain eat an affordable breakfast in IHOP.
Elon said that he's intention by saying 2 Trillion is the goal in the best scenario because even so can result in at least half of that figure and that's great as well !!!
framing it as if he took back what he said is "fake news and misinformation" !!!
You FKN MORONS
* Hyperloop
* LVCC Loop
* Solar Roofs
*Saving the kids trapped in an underwater cave
*Sending two mannen spaceships to Mars 2024
*Battery swap in 90 second
* Full self driving
* Jada jada
So he relies on Musk's business credibility to come up with solutions. Then, when Musk fails to deliver, Trump can do what he always does - project.
https://theconversation.com/why-trump-accuses-people-of-wrongdoing-he-himself-committed-an-explanation-of-projection-237912
The public falls for it every time.
That is why they are so thrilled about electing a criminal orange conman: They know he upsets us.
The fact that he doesn't have the qualities needed to govern the country effectively has no bearing on their support.
It doesn’t exist. Nobody voted for it, or the people who claim to part of it. It’s a silly idea that people willingly recognizing as real. Like the right and their ‘deep state’.
Did you forget Felonia bought the US presidency?
Not the incentive you were looking for? Shucks.
😂😂
https://www.historynet.com/small-but-mighty-how-canadas-military-has-produced-record-breaking-snipers/
gets somewhat of a side benefit of Secret Service protection by proxy
Elmo’s just got money.
They also see Trump aging and "on his way out" with the very slow rate of changes that Senators consider (they aren't quick to do anything), so they have to prepare for what comes after Trump.
Democratic Party. We do what we can. It’s an uphill battle in these parts, but inroads take time and persistence.
He’s an unelected person (and the other one) in an unsanctioned, unauthorized uncertified, made up Department …..
WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THIS ???