I had a person tell me I was clueless when I posted about why people think trump supporters are crazy. I told her to educate me then and listed several things he has done since taking office that prove my arguments….this has been met with complete silence
I think for a lot of people after the election there was a feeling of “well, I did what I could do” then sprinkled in some wishful thinking to sleep at night.
Trump got in because millions decided voting didn't matter this time.
It's been 10 days. Rights have been removed. He's trying to circumvent the constitution, congress and the SCOTUS. He fired the head of the FAA and then had the first mid-air collision in the US in 15 years?
Apathy is super destructive. 100%. Also, intense desires to keep certain things the same at all costs, or making changes without concern or help for those negatively affected by the changes. Respect for autonomy and its drawbacks is super important right now methinks.
Many people who support Trump hope that he was just using hyperbole when he threatened to do those things. But now that it’s actually happening, they’ll move the goalposts for Trump again, like they always do.
Maybe you're right. Could be right for most. But if there's one of them out there, who has mixed feelings and humility for their error, I hope someone extends a hand and helps them make better choices.
It’s impossible to generalize. Some voted for Trump out of anger at the economy, some voted eyes-open on Project 2025 and some thought it was hyperbole. But, all were fooled into thinking Trump thinks about anything other than himself. .
It's quite easy to generalise when you pay attention to what MAGA have said and what they stand for. There's nothing new in Trump being all about himself; that's been a given since he got into politics.
Those who pretend they don't know this included fascism are playing you.
I get where you’re coming from, but to be fair, people were really angry at the status quo and the Dems (the party that claims to be for progress) couldn’t get their act together enough to both even trying to convince people they stood for any significant improvement to the lives of everyday people
I DO think the courts are going to put the brakes on more than some people seem to assume, but "Trump won't actually do bad things" was always a fantasy.
I love how the replies are nothing but deflection rather than a direct response such as "yes, we DID say that he wouldn't really do this". Instead it's all whataboutism and denial that Trump is worse than Biden.
Yes, yes he is. RADDATZ: And on those detention centers. Do you need more beds?
HOMAN: Absolutely.
RADDATZ: I think there's 41,000 now, 100,000. So where do you get those beds? Do you build more camps? Do you do this -- military installations in Texas and elsewhere?
HOMAN: A little bit of everything. We can build soft-sided facilities. We expand our contracts to outside contractors.
So yeah, we're going to need more ICE beds, at minimum of 100,000.
Congress needs to come to the table quick and give us the money we need to secure that border. Tom Homan interview ByABC News January 26, 2025, 9:25 AM
"Private prison companies—which often do not operate in immigrants’ best interests and have donated large sums of money to President Trump—stand to make billions of dollars from the administration’s policy." Sharita Gruberg June 2024
How about you listen to the progressives who were screaming at the top of their lungs for the last 4 years that if Biden didn't hold MAGA leaders accountable for their criminal actions the end of democracy could happen?
because no elected Democrats seems to listen, or care.
I keep saying this goes back to the both wings belong to the same bird analogy. They know what's happening, they just don't care. They are as much oligarchs as trump and musk.
The democrats in the senate, and most of congress are all going to benefit and profit at our expense. They never cared
Voter apathy occurs when voters vote for something (Democrats to control the House, Senate and White House) in response to the first four long years of Trump horribleness.
And they don't bother to prosecute Trump for his crimes.
Now watch all the good Joe accomplished get reversed.
Absolute bird brain levels of ideas occurring right now trying to equate anything that has happened in the past 10 days to whatever Kamala Harris would be doing lol.
There is no equating. However the shortsightedness on the parties major players is not accidental. We've seen what trump could do and they chose to sit back on it and let it happen. My cat would have been a better choice than trump. And she's an idiot. Even for a cat.
"chose to sit back and let it happen" not sure if you're aware but the Republicans have the White House, Senate, House and SC lol.
And you are equating. You literally said "they are oligarchs as much as Trump and Musk" it's a preposterous statement that is totally divorced from reality.
I'm saying they let the whole situation arise. This was predictable starting in 2020. The failure to follow through appropriately when they had the chance to prevent it. And yes I am equating them as oligarchs. You are short sighted and missing the past 25 years if you think this is divorced
You really thought we were gonna vote our way outta this? Dawg… 🤦🏻♂️. The world’s richest man has my social security number and NOBODY voted for him. Fuck outta here, you have Cenks number. Call him or whatever, it won’t do shit “I told you so” ass Zionist.
So basically just Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian*? I'd also suggest Brianna Wu but she's a pick me shill, so you might have a lot to deal with there lol.
*Not actual progressives, just gassed up on the clout they used to have.
They won't speak. If they at least take this more seriously in the midterms and remember we are not voting for the perfect valentine but a human who will do the better job for all, that will be enough for me and my child who is in danger....again.
Some friends of mine who are progressive and voted for Kamala spoke like this. All kinds of people have normalcy bias and even now some people don't believe how far he can go
I study language and I was saying that all the rhetoric was Nazi and I was told "Come on man they're not putting people in detention camps or anything like that."
Why would anyone not think that Trump would do exactly what he’s doing? He has few guardrails and is surrounded by sycophants. This (thank God) is his last term in office. What he has managed to accomplish is chaos, division and confusion. It’s not over yet.
Only 5 minutes into the thread before we got a "No true Scotsman' fallacy. It's we're how predictable we are, yet how shocked we also are when this happens.
show any evidence the centrists are wrong about anything, or show they disagree with themselves in anyway, and they mash that block button before any thoughts of apostasy enter their brain
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He has a hell of a nerve expecting nonwhites to enter a "multiracial" coalition with bigoted members of the white working class after those same people supported the end of anti-discrimination laws and policies. It's a pipe dream, btw. Bernie Sanders shares that pipe dream.
It’s been my experience the “white working class” is just another nice way of describing racist assholes or at the very least racist adjacent blue collar white folks.
I guess I just wasn’t exposed to that. I heard many progressives saying stupid shit like Biden/Harris are just as bad. That’s infuriating that they didn’t have the capacity to understand what our country was and now is facing. Sorry you had to have those arguments.
I'm not sorry - it's the only thing that had any shot of showing some of them that they were pointed the wrong direction. I'm glad to say that several changed their minds afterwards. Not the majority, I'll admit, but one is a victory, the rest is a bonus.
They're 20 years old, and we've been treating their anonymous social media accounts like they were sages of the age who determine all that occurs We're going to still do this, I see.
Sorry, can't help you. I'm one of the progressives that said, 'I don't think this guy has a bottom in terms of morals, and even if he does, it's not worth the risk.'
What centrist was saying that Trump wouldn't create camps? What centrist wasn't warning America/the world that Project 2025 was the playbook that Trump is now using? Perhaps you should read what centrist was saying vs progressive left who scream Harris & Trump were the same...
He was just joking! Because that shit is so hilarious right? WTF why can't people use their eyes and ears and reason and logic? They say you can't fix stupid, but we gotta freakin try!!! Dumb and angry and scared with a superiority complex = we end up in Idiocracy
They'll call it a prophecy 🫣
Seriously, when Acostas last words are "don't give into the lies. don't give into the fear." the sane people left in the country must come up with a strategy! A peaceful, powerful strategy! Ideas? Anyone? I am not confident in my supreme court or the congress and its all coming at us too fast!
Search the internet for videos and posts from progressives who claimed trump wouldn’t do something, only for him to go ahead and do it. Then tag them in this post.
And don't forget the "good enough leftists" who think Trump becoming president will "accelerate the revolution," even if it breaks a few eggs... metaphorically, of course, because they're getting more expensive...
They won't admit they were wrong, they will continue to say that we're just taking it the wrong way and try to both sides the issues. There are no both sides. There is freedom and there is trump and fascism. There is no in between.
Just call a spade a spade and specify who you are talking about. I guess its Cenk from the comments but its definitely not immediately obvious to a lot of us. And I don't want to go and watch Cenk to confirm.
If you spent the last year spreading the moniker “Genocide Joe” or you refused to vote for Kamala because she is a Zionist (you know, someone who simply believes Israel should continue to exist) or you spread Hamas / IRGC propaganda … congratulations, you elected Trump.
It's possible that a significant percentage of posts about that were bots made by the same people that flooded the zone with "Project 2025 is a liberal psyop and will never happen."
The goal: "Everything is blown out of proportion, don't pay attention. Stay home on Nov 5th"
What progressives were saying that? None I’m aware of. You may be mistaking the sarcasm some were using when wondering why neoliberal leaders did less than the bare minimum (still are) in opposing the MAGA movement given their fear-mongering. Did they not believe themselves? Or do they not care?
He talks like a child, not in a simile way either, he speaks at the level of a 4th grader. That’s why he says thing like that, because he has trouble articulating his thoughts and he himself just found out what Git Mo was thirty minutes before he made the comment.
We lost our chance. I didn’t expect it, bit I was hoping Biden would exercise his SCOTUS given Presidential Immunity and throw Trump and the 5 male Justices into Gitmo. But I was hoping that would happen on 11/6, after Harris won. 😞
Ambassador Sondland had been saying this on @arimelber.bsky.social before the election - - he wasn't worried because either there were too many hurdles or because Trump himself knew it was hot air.
This, reminds me when trump put kids and babies in cages and separated from their parents trump got taken to court over that and had to stop it this is in inhuman
Cenk Uygur is an aging entrepreneur whose business model hasn't delivered the profits he expected by this point in his career so he's changing tack. Also eff him, I never trusted him.
idk imo he has started to turn a lot like Cenk. Every time I watch him I get a very strong vibe of “yeah I’m right, you’re wrong and until you get that you will keep losing”
he seems to think fully embracing the far lefts agenda (and I mean the real far left, not like how conservatives say it) is the only way for “the left” to rally behind a candidate..even though they make up the smallest portion of the electorate and it would alienate middle voters (the largest)
I dunno, I watch Hassan every day (for years now) and the gist I get from him is A: be normal. B: Vote for who you want but be prepared for the consequences C: Lets make basic human needs available for everyone. He's just a himbo Sam Seder.
I don't know that somebody pulled the wool over his eyes I think he went the way of the money just like he's used to bitch it others for doing. Or maybe he just turned hateful who knows
Anyone who thinks a guy that kept a copy of Mein Kampf on his nightstand wasn't going to build re-education, and detention camps and try to weed out "undesirables" when he became the most powerful political figure on the planet, really is a little "under-read"....
@davidpakman.bsky.social I'm a progressive but I knew Trump would do this. It only took the Nazis 53 days to dismantle democracy in Germany. You should be making direct comparisons to that on your program.
Not only them, but maga (mostly women who voted for him) will act shocked when this happens as more nefarious things come out. I can just see them saying “my heart goes for them”, while touching their cross necklace & saying a prayer for them. I guess that’ll offset their vote if they act outraged.
Yes, just like your friend Genocide Joe, Trump is putting immigrants in concentration camps. In fact Genocide Joe laid the groundwork for this development and considered doing it when he was president. The assault on the federal workforce is a continuation of GOP orthodoxy - hardline neoliberalism
Dems have aided and abetted the neoliberal assault for decades. Biden deported more people than Trump and backed a modern-day Holocaust in Gaza that you ignored/supported. You’re a shameless partisan hack
I would love for people who claim we need unity and strategy to defeat GOP propaganda..... to not hold anonymous randos who exist on the same internet as foreign soc puppets and GOP Ai chat bot propaganda, as representatives to be held to account.
Punch up, like actual thought leaders and electeds who need to be shamed into action... do it for a purpose besides feeling self-satisfied... We need buy-in and participation in real resistance, not I told you so's scolds.
Motivate people who thought he was a joke to action, not apathy.
I called it immediately. I know my history. The way he talked was not only man, but a man who has never been accountable.
Also how is Clinton and Trump even to walk in our capital when the Epstein files were released.
Are we back to blaming progressives for centrists losing another election?
Why ignore the fact that the richest men in the world united to defeat Kamala, not progressives. I happily voted for Harris. My vote didn't undo billionaire influence.
HE didn't and his fans still think THEY are in agreeing with him. That's the issue - we just abandoned them to him rather than debate the ones like him who were spouting this off.
I boycott them and all their subsidiaries.. sadly, some of the subsidiaries are damn good content creators. Those I miss, but Cenk and Ana, not one bit.
The problem is, Cenk is representative of a notable segment of people who think they are progressive and will loudly tell everyone else that's what they are.
That's one approach, and it got us here. The other is to seek out people who imagine themselves to be "progressive" and debate their misconceptions so they no longer believe Cenk is right.
Yes. People have forgotten what “progressive” means. But those people who thought they were cool not voting blue? Whatever they’re called, they’re still pouting.
They don’t exist. Dave is trying to deflect responsibility for liberal policies that stem from people like Hillary Obama and Biden that created that created the possibility for trump to rise to power. He’s in denial though that his entire world view is a complete sham.
You’re just gonna ignore Hillary Clinton’s entire existence is the reason trump originally won. She didn’t even support same sex marriage until like 2010. Neither did Obama. Disgusting.
If you're referring to the same people who stayed home in 2016 because "Hillary was mean to Bernie" and argued "abortion is safe and the law of the land" expect crickets.
Of course he was intending to do something despicable, it is and has always been his method of doing things like this, my mother worked at his properties in the 80s in Atlantic City and he was/is nothing short of being a narcissist ; even back then to his employees, let alone the nation.
I think we should stop with the labels: dems, progressives, liberals as if they're are all different, in their own club.
Whoever didn't vote or voted third party using this type of labeling is not a serious person.
What's a democrat? What are their core values? Either a person is or is not.
A Democrat is a member of the Democratic Party, with the right to attend precinct meetings, and vote for who will represent their precinct at the national level, where the policy platform is set every four years by those delegates.
The democrats that sat out the election because of Gaza are entirely to blame for everything. Democrats pathetically shit their own bed and made the world a much worse place. Honestly, fuck em all.
hmmm in the US we have 2 candidates. Usually they both suck. In this election, one was an actual nazi. So maybe this wasn’t the best year to be a self righteous turd.
Im going to keep being a self righteous turd until i get free healthcare and we stop doing genocide, if you want me to vote you gotta be for those things too, sry
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dRUMPfturds, sure. But progressives?! WTF.
It's been 10 days. Rights have been removed. He's trying to circumvent the constitution, congress and the SCOTUS. He fired the head of the FAA and then had the first mid-air collision in the US in 15 years?
Fuck apathy
Resist.
Those who pretend they don't know this included fascism are playing you.
Blame-the-victim mentality and then claiming it to be fair. 🤦🏼♂️
HOMAN: Absolutely.
RADDATZ: I think there's 41,000 now, 100,000. So where do you get those beds? Do you build more camps? Do you do this -- military installations in Texas and elsewhere?
So yeah, we're going to need more ICE beds, at minimum of 100,000.
Almost like they were only there to get him into office.
The ones who didn't vote in Dems but are pointing to lack of current action by the underpowered Dems as proof that they are all the same.
Sorry, if Kamala won, shit wouldn't be as bad.
because no elected Democrats seems to listen, or care.
The democrats in the senate, and most of congress are all going to benefit and profit at our expense. They never cared
And they don't bother to prosecute Trump for his crimes.
Now watch all the good Joe accomplished get reversed.
And you are equating. You literally said "they are oligarchs as much as Trump and Musk" it's a preposterous statement that is totally divorced from reality.
*Not actual progressives, just gassed up on the clout they used to have.
But this time, they decided he wasn't going to do what he said he was going to do and voted for him anyways?
show any evidence the centrists are wrong about anything, or show they disagree with themselves in anyway, and they mash that block button before any thoughts of apostasy enter their brain
https://bsky.app/profile/progatoken.bsky.social/post/3lgxr4sncts2z
They'll call it a prophecy 🫣
Oh wait, he just said that they should forcibly remove the Palestinians from Gaza so Israel can settle it…
I agree short-sided voters put us here, fuck those people.
The goal: "Everything is blown out of proportion, don't pay attention. Stay home on Nov 5th"
*cough* TYT *cough*
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Motivate people who thought he was a joke to action, not apathy.
Also how is Clinton and Trump even to walk in our capital when the Epstein files were released.
Why ignore the fact that the richest men in the world united to defeat Kamala, not progressives. I happily voted for Harris. My vote didn't undo billionaire influence.
"Nobody stopped me."
Whoever didn't vote or voted third party using this type of labeling is not a serious person.
What's a democrat? What are their core values? Either a person is or is not.