The important point is that he didn’t win in a landslide, which is what’s being said all over the place. He has no mandate for the stunts he’s about to pull
My issue is we are over complicating the argument against the claim he had a mandate. No gets a mandate by winning with less than half the popular vote. He won with 49.9% of the popular vote.
So what does this mean has she actually won the popular vote and lost the electoral college? Makes sense of it because it visual isn't popping on my screen and I have to take and tap it just to read what the hell it's supposed to be. Very annoying and I won't even bring up convenience.
Yeah that's what I think's going to wind up happening unfortunately.The key thing is hopefully that House of Representatives flips.It is tight we've got a couple seats in an opening up that can flip for us not to mention all the actual conservative Republicans that are going to be forced to resign
That would be great if we at least got the house. I’m a tiny bit encouraged by signs that everything is not going to just click into place for them. Cold comfort.
Yeah I feel you on the cold comfort. Of course it's not going to click in a place that's to be expected there's always going to be resistance. It's just how far they're going to go especially without the enforcement of our laws against them committing crimes.
Exactly. The Supreme Court giving him immunity says it all. Trump will probably tell the National Guard they need to be violent with protesters. He loves the idea of his detractors being beaten, jailed and killed.
I still feel thanks to the Electoral College and re-districting (along with some help from their friends - Russia & N. Korea), Trump won. I know it's not popular to state this, but the tides were on her side. What else could predict all the bomb threats in blues states? Just a thought.
Harris/Walz should run again in 2028. Start campaigning in January. It will be a horrible 4 years and they should call them out on all of the lies, incompetence, and damage. They would have been awesome as POTUS/VP. We know T-mp campaigned non-stop for 10 years. What's 4 + 100 days for them?
Majority of votes went to a republican president who won the popular vote, majority senate, majority house, majority governors, and for some sprinkles we got majority supreme court, whatever you want to call it your majority is red wherever you go😂🤷🏽♂️
Would someone PLEASE tell me why everyone focus so much on the 'popular' vote? The popular vote is useless. You do not have a country with one person one vote. THAT is when someone wins the seat by popular vote. You have a 'democracy' where certain people's vote count for more.
Why is it important? Trump can’t run again and I doubt if Kamala would run in 2028. So why do the numbers matter? Are you suggesting possible proof that the election was rigged or…?
Why is this an important point? Its not going to matter to Trump or his cronies, and us saying "he doesnt have a mandate" doesnt really move the needle with his supporters either. He won the popular vote, a Republican hadn't done that since '04. We need to talk about how that happened.
In the popular vote, Trump won by only 1.5% or so. I STILL can't believe that OR understand how ANYONE could vote for him. Or, just as bad (almost), NOT vote or vote 3rd party IN THIS ELECTION.
That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinions...but OUCH.
This is very telling, and needs to sink in for those who fail to understand why the Harris campaign mgr failed. He called Bernie’s analysis BS - this says otherwise.
The fact is he won the electoral college, the popular vote and control of congress. I dislike this man with the fire of the sun, but cheering on this small thing does not change the fact that the Democrats lost because of their message did not reach enough Americans to win. Let's fix that.
The problem is the system has allowed him to gain control of the presidency, senate, congress and already the Supreme Court. In this sense he has a free hand for two years…assuming he allows any further elections.
Trump did win the election and by all accounts it was a fair election. The real question for me is, what does this say about our country that so many Americans have willingly embraced hate, violence and intolerance? That is what most scares me.
Trump is coming in as a lame duck, Jan. 20th. Besides dodging legitimate prosecution for trying to overthrow our #Democracy, he will now focus on becoming richer. He has at least a dozen billionaires lined up, who are wannabe oligarchs .
Yay? They don't have a "mandate", they only have control of all 3 branches of govt. Very important.
And IDK, I'd call the win a landslide when you factor in the other 90 million that couldn't be bothered to vote against a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and instigator of a coup, etc.
a victory nonetheless. We the People hafta make sure that all Blue states fight him at a state level, and we have to be vigilant as he drops P'25 on us.
If they do a forensic audit, and it shows that he got 1 more Electoral Vote than Kamala, his ugly orange ass will be in the Big Chair in the Oval Office, and our country is fucked.
"Mandate" or not, he will drive us ALL into the shitter.
Did the maths and if all those other people voted for Kamala instead of the other third party candidates she would have won popular vote by 42097 votes… this is depressing tbh Trumps Misinformation Campaign and endorsing these candidates really hurt our potential democratic win. :/
This is almost exactly what I was going to say. Who cares? It is what it is now. By how much doesn’t really matter. He’s still going to be president, whether he won by a vote or twenty million.
You’re the best, George, but it means nothing. In our system if you win by one vote you get 100% of the power. And his party won both chambers of Congress. I get that people are in the denial stage of grief but if we don’t get to acceptance we will never stop him - and I see denial everywhere here.
but they will say over the next 2 years he won a 99 percent of the vote and they just need to find the one percent and put them in camps to allow them to continue to go after the "enemy from within."
It's shocking that it takes so long for all the votes to be tabulated. And it's concerning that Trump was so convinced he'd win he told folks their votes weren't needed 😧
The margin matters because he didn't get to 50%, so the majority of voters still rejected him. (They just didn't all get behind the same alternative, unfortunately.) So the number of supporters he has is still a minority, and everyone needs to be aware of that as he tries to break the country.
It's not possible for us to divorce ourselves from the EC. Despite the fact that the people want to move on, politicians don't care what the people want.
I don't believe she lost fairly. Wish they'd do a forensic audit in at least one swing state where a Democrat senator was elected. Bomb threats in blue counties in swing states, and him saying at rallies he had all the votes needed is an admission of something. Elon, Putin meetings too 🤷🏽♀️
I doubt very much that her really won at all - but nobody has the courage to look for where he cheated. Guess what? I don't want them leading America anymore, either.
Agree. It was knowledge that Russia was interfering a year or more before the election. Article was ignored. Why I wonder?? 🤔 And why weren't we prepared to stop it!? 😡
(No, it's not quite as simple as that, but it was the gaping wound that the GOP threw buckets of salt in to keep wide open while flooding every other zone with as much shit as possible because they had to win by ANY means possible)
Gonna be interesting if they just sit there and whine and not do anything, or it actually gets so bad that we finally see a real and proper peasant uprising like the past.
We did not have a democratic primary. Harris would not have won a primary. She ran a good campaign but she did nothing to attract Hispanic and white voters.
Hmmmm.....who controls the White House, Senate, House of Representatives? Not to mention seated how many Supreme Court judges....hmmmmm. I wonder. First win of popular votes in 2 decades by a Republican president? Hmmmmm? Increase in votes from Latinos, black Americans, women......hmmmmmm?
Putin made sure his monkey won. The 💣 threats in swing states were for the purpose of evacuation & access to the voting machines. Mark my words, the Math ain’t Mathin’
But that doesn't change anything. unfortunately people believe the first thing they hear. And right after the election, that's what they heard from the media.
Is this that thing they call "cope"? Clinton lost in 2016 and all i heard from fellow lefties for 4 years was "popular vote! ". The magas were "stolen!" for 4 years. Please dont lets keep the "its not FAIR" bleating going on. Harris lost, by BOTH reasonable measures. Accept & move on
A loss is still a loss.
As shameful as it is, Trump won.
What do you want the US voters to do? Give the Harris/Walz campaign a 'Participation Trophy'?
If I was you, I'd leave USA before 2025.
But he’s still going to claim a landslide/mandate and his Fox Followers are going to believe him. He’s got Congress and SCOTUS to back him up. States must resist. Any Republican with a shred of integrity left must resist.
And isn’t that vote for convicted felon trump a minority of the number of voters overall, that is his total number of votes is not a majority of eligible voters, thus not a mandate!
Elections will never be fair until the Electoral College is abolished. In the digital age, where candidates can reach every voter through various media, there is no argument for keeping it over the popular vote. But Republicans never allow as they would lose most presidential elections
Because at the time of confirming the win based on the Electoral College, it looked like one. And based on the Electoral College, it was one. Regardless of the popular vote. It's taken over two weeks for the tallies to reach this point. And somehow not a single state is 100% counted yet.
You don’t call it a landslide when most of the west coast hasn’t counted yet. And 312 in the electoral college is pretty mediocre. Biden won by seven million and they never called it a landslide.
312 electoral votes is NOT a landslide. It’s pretty mediocre. Biden got 308 in 2020 NOBODY called it a landslide. 360 plus electoral votes or better is when you can start calling it a landslide.
Facts are facts. Pretty mediocre. We’ll see just how much when you’re not able to hang onto Congress in two years. Oh and suddenly popular vote is important to you guys huh? And at least Harris conceded with grace. The orange adolescent would never have and you’re here crowing about that.
Easy. The media doesn’t care about the “truth”. They want access to power as that is what sells ad space. The media doesn’t care if they are independent or state-run as long as they make money.
It won't matter. He will claim it's a "landslide" and a "mandate" and his flock of sheep will believe his lies, just the way they believe every other lie he tells.
It seems no one is bothered by Russia coming in and the bomb threats which were made to scare of Democrats, Elon Musk using X to spread disinformation, voting purge, ballots being returned on swing states. Is this what you call fair competition I call it downright cheating and robbery
The last 3 elections dating back from 2016 should have shown red flags that Republicans would not under Trump compete fairly even in 2020 when Biden won they tried to cheat too. You all are being taken for fools by Maga and Trump and Elon Musk
Trump should have lost by DQ given his actions on January 6th 2021. The failure to uphold the constitution and rule of law led us to this. No Trump should have lost and been disqualified and thrown in prison along with all Maga Republicans. Republicans can’t win without cheating
Sadly calling at a landslide or not doesn't change the fact that the Electoral College has the final say and has screwed us all. And you'll only wear yourself out and run out of breath trying to argue it with a MAGAt
It's only a very important point for people who want to debate. "She didn't lose as bad as everyone originally thought" doesn't do anything for us. Are we going to yell "he doesn't have a mandate" as people are being shoved into that camp in Texas? It's a bit of trivia at best.
Okay, let's reverse the outcome. If Kamala had won with the exact same numbers Trump did, would you call that a mandate? My thought is that the left would absolutely claim it was a mandate, and they'd be right.
No, we wouldn’t, or at least I hope people would be smarter than that. In politics, a true mandate requires a -clear- majority of the population in order to be considered legitimate, not a mere 1 or 2 point lead.
That isn’t to say a politician couldn’t claim a mandate regardless of actual numbers, of course—they do it all the time—but only having half your population’s support is a bad look if one’s trying to push that narrative.
Agreed George. But it means nothing since our system is winner take all. And he with his minions are about to take it all, alright. Our side must walk out into the streets and shut it all down.
Sorry to disagree with you, @georgetakei.bsky.social, but respectfully, no, it's not really that important in the grand scheme of things. Sanity lost, chaos prevailed. Celebrating pedantic points only distracts from the uphill battle ahead, imho.
As a Brit, I've never understood the USA voting system. Why do some states have a college vote that's weightier than others?
Isn't it best just to total up the votes for each candidate and see who has the most?
Glad people, & especially the fucking media, no longer know what a landslide is, because this former Hoosier knew at 8 & 12 in '80 & '84. These are electoral, but landslides nonetheless.
It was as close as everyone said it would be. If only about 150,000 to 200,000 people changed their mind and voted for Harris she would be the president-elect now.
While it's great that Harris is winning the popular vote for 2024 it would be great if she won the electoral college votes to reverse the win of Trump for President.
This is one of the few things that gives me any hope right now. Of eligible voters, he barely won. It's sad and scary that he DID win but it wasn't a landslide so I know I'm not alone in wanting to fight to repair our country. Of course we can count on you too ❤️
Pst pst 😱🤫🧐 he cheated using Russian bomb threats and Musk's bribe money. These are documented facts already. What else is going on in the background we will soon find out.
We got Trump because people just didn’t vote. They thought that everything was gonna be OK and that we didn’t either vote. It’s exhausting. These people are too darn lazy to vote.
I still don’t understand how his vote share remains so durable or why people in the US are so unhappy with the economy that they would vote for fascism.
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I can’t believe how sleazy those SC judges are.
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That being said, everyone is entitled to their opinions...but OUCH.
Trump’s victory isn’t a mandate by any metric.
Trump did win the election and by all accounts it was a fair election. The real question for me is, what does this say about our country that so many Americans have willingly embraced hate, violence and intolerance? That is what most scares me.
May we all have the guts to show up next time like Black Women
#BlackWomen have a real beef with e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e involved
The #DNC either needs to put #BlackWomen in charge at all levels , or .d.o. .n.o.t. ask anything of them
And IDK, I'd call the win a landslide when you factor in the other 90 million that couldn't be bothered to vote against a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and instigator of a coup, etc.
If they do a forensic audit, and it shows that he got 1 more Electoral Vote than Kamala, his ugly orange ass will be in the Big Chair in the Oval Office, and our country is fucked.
"Mandate" or not, he will drive us ALL into the shitter.
Truth does not matter to these people, only the narrative.
MAGA posts maps like the one below to claim they are an overwhelming majority. But the truth is, land doesn't vote. People vote.
Others through charity
Surely there are electoral systems somewhere that are demonstrably fair and sane.
UK needs to take note too.
So, remember to RESIST!
What the actual *** went wrong over there?
They're about to get the opposite of everything they wanted, but too late to change that.
Yeah, your hairsplitting attempt at saving face is stupid.
Yeah I said it!
It was big enough to make Democrats powerless for 2 full years. That is more than enough time to rip the country into pieces, and they will.
All he does is divide. Divide, anger and stupify.
As shameful as it is, Trump won.
What do you want the US voters to do? Give the Harris/Walz campaign a 'Participation Trophy'?
If I was you, I'd leave USA before 2025.
Loser
It's kind of like his penis.🤔🤔😊😉
Lost. Now it’s time to resist. Full-stop !
Senate
House
Popular Vote
An unmitigated disaster but, hey. Keep talking semantics 👍🏼
It is a hideous sham of Democracy that should not be tolerated anymore.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/election-results-show-trump-has-lost-popular-vote-majority.html
Isn't it best just to total up the votes for each candidate and see who has the most?