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- Introvigne, M., Satanism: a Social History
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- Luijk, R,. 2016, Children of Lucifer
- Faxneld, P., 2011, Contemporary Esotericism
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Oh hi! (Sorry for late reply, I barely check Bluesky)
Yeah, I still have those screenshots
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OMG YAAYYY!!!
It's such a perfect song and video π₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ήπ€π€π€
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youtu.be/4a2YH2ZRw2Q?...
This is one of my many favourite songs :3
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We don't call it supernatural, either. We're materialists.
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A ritual act in itself β magic. However, using rituals with religious trappings to focus your 'energy' and emptions in order to obtain a desired outcome is essentially what satanic magic is.
What's the difference?
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In a few places online (her instagram & website), she uses the term 'magic', 'witch', 'witchcraft', 'power', and channelling your energies. So, she is somewhat blending the two concepts - and is not completely unlike how the CoS views these things (though there are some differences)
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But it shows the foundations on which it was built: that it was a joke that some then fell for. They're still using satire to troll Christian Nationalists for political aims, and its leaders (or at least one of them) have said that the politics are what's important, not religious belief
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That's not quite right. You're intentionally skewing the narrative and throwing in some insults along the way. There's no need for that
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Im not here to cause a huge argument or shit storm, so I won't elaborate unless you ask any questions. But I just wanted to provide the 'other side's' answer to balance things out
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Spread by outsiders who try to misuse the term. We see Satanism in that way. We see the religion of Satanism as being the religion founded by LaVey. No one treats other religions like they do Satanism, telling us we have to accept separate ideologies that dont use our founding texts/philosophy
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My response would be that, when you care about something you belong to, you don't like people misrepresenting it or applying it to something it isn't. People constantly bastardise the term 'Goth', to mean any celeb wearing black lipstick. I care about my subculture and dislike the misinformation
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Yeah. I've definitely been in arguments with TST members quite a few times. But I do my best to focus on the points and treat the people as individuals. I may dislike TST in general, but I certainly dont hate every member. Also, some people come across as quite rude when talking online
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That's exactly right. It's lovely seeing how humans consistently use these things
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Of course! Im always happy to talk about these things or answer any questions.
I also hope I've helped you see that not all CoS members are assholes π
(im sure you didn't exactly think that black & white, but still)
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Also, rituals take up a veeerrry small percentage of a Satanist's life. I haven't done one in quite a while. So, people need to stop trying to make it seem like a bigger 'issue' than it is, or that it's all we ever do. Far from it π
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Yeah, right?! Trivialising this as 'just psychodrama' misses out some quite important aspects to all of this. It's a fascinating topic that deserves to be approached properly π im so glad I could have a mature and good faith discuss with you on this
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That's not to say we're all exactly the same and dismiss the differences present across these cultures. But they can be both similar and different from us, and each can be very rewarding to look into and realise.
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People in ancient Egypt 3,000+ years ago had the same/similar core motivations and issues, and used similar methods to deal with them. Combining ritual acts with symbols, words, metaphors, etc., is wonderful to see.
Their love spells and curses are particularly great π₯°
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Yeah! There's just something about ritual acts that scratch a primal itch and helps us deal with life. It's also just fun.
Im a postgrad Egyptology student & focus on their ritual magic. It shows how these concepts, in their basic form, are present in humans, spanning milenia and cultures
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Exactly!
Ik you didn't mention it, but my only caveat is that prayer is often more passive (you just leave it to some god), meanwhile, after a ritual, it's still on you to put it into play by your real world actions. Also, fully falling for the fantasy is foolish
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Calling it magic doesn't make me feel special. Calling it magic just hits the finer nuanced points that other words don't quite hit - and its accurate since it uses many ways we use 'magic', including elements of stage magic
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Yeah. Anton LaVey explained a concept that I had thought of myself, that it's one thing to accept something intellectually, but another to accept it emotionally.
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Exactly!
Those who are just way too strict & obsessive overanalyse everything really miss out on the beauty of engaging with fantasy while still knowing it's fantasy in the back of your head. It's (imo) the perfect middle. You get to enjoy it while still being rational & sceptical
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Im not saying anyone has to like it or even use it, but there is some nuance to it, and trying to oversimplify it really misses out the important finer details. You can say anything "is basically X or Y", but that's often rather ridiculous and ends up being fairly inaccurate - spreading misinfo
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I also wouldn't exactly call rituals 'mundane', since they're out of the oddinary and the whole point is to use fantasy to heighten your enotions. Fantasy & high emotions aren't mundane either. Things that heighten emotions are often referred to as 'magical'
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Pretty much, yeah. Magic is often used to refer to a more self/individual-orientated aim that addresses the problems of everyday life outside of a direct cause+effect actions. That's the basic form of what magic is on a practical level (without any specific beliefs applied)
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It's a more nuanced concept than the other guy wants to acknowledge, but this is why I say it's misleading to say we "believe in magic", as it's not a 'belief' and isn't what most ppl think of magic, but still does apply to a few ways in which we use that term
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However, if you're constantly scrutinising and overanalysing, you're not actually gonna be in the right head space to enjoy the fantasy. The example nitpicking a movie is very apt here. If you think doing x makes you confident, you lose that confidence if you overanalyse & question yourself
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Exactly. I've done rituals, which then helped me to feel better, more confident, and identify ways towards my goals that I might have otherwise missed had I not been looking for it. You won't notice if you're not looking.
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So, it's called magic because it falls under several ways in which we use the term magic, and calling it just psychodrama misses out a lot of elements. But we acknowledge that it's fantasy and put it to the test, not blindly believe. We can be sceptical irl and still 'believe' during it
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Again, none of this is mysticism. it's fundamentally psychological and scratches that carnal ritualistic itch humans have. I personally dont think it has any direct external effects (only indirect). However, i don't ritualisr much, and not overanalysing it aids in the fantasy
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This changes your own views and feelings, making you feel much better. Some may also consider that there might be some external change (with some scientific reason). I'd argue that internal change affects external change based on how you will feel and this act irl.
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It immediately acknowledges that this is a rather vague definition. Greater magic is about using rituals to focus your emotions/'energy' onto whatever you want. This fundamentally acts as a form of ritualised psychodrama, where you temporarily 'believe' in the fantasy
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Though, we can incorporate stage magic ideas into our rituals.
Basically, the definition of satanic magic is "the change in situations or events in accordance with ones will which would, using normally accepted methods, remain unchangeable"
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Im more than happy to discuss these things when people act in good faith
We firstly make a distinction between 'magic' and 'magick', the latter being more spiritual/mystical/about some kind of 'powers'. We view that as occultnik nonsense. And yeah, it's not about turning water into wine
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Incorrect. You try to manipulate things, oversimplify, and push things towards your narrative without actually listening to what we're saying. I tried to have a conversation with you and you consistently acted out.
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Im discussing your actions and behaviour. I have consistently attempted to have an adult conversation with you. Every time, you just doubled down on your ignorance and insults, justifying your shitty behaviour. Grow up.
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I literally started this whole thing my stating that our view of magic is utilising fantasy, and that we dont "believe in magic" and certainly no supernatural/mystical bullshit. If you listened from the start instead of getting all hostile and triggered, we'd have avoided all this BS.
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And yet you're the one acting childish throughout this whole thing. At least I've been a lot more mature than you. Im trying to have a conversation. You're not.