"Just change the law" so we revoke the citizenship of people who say things we disagree with. I can't think of how that could *possibly* come around to bite us in the ass. - ThreadSky

journodale.bsky.social • 15 days ago

"Just change the law" so we revoke the citizenship of people who say things we disagree with.
I can't think of how that could *possibly* come around to bite us in the ass.

Reposted from TobinH

can't read the article, but sure you can. you just change the law. lots of countries in the world already have revocation processes and we've certainly tinkered in this space here in Canada.

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susande.bsky.social•15 days ago

I think he'd have to have been convicted of treason or some such thing.
I would be in favour of ending dual citizenship, which would accomplish same revokation.

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

FWIW, being convicted of high treason is NOT actually a legally-valid reason for stripping someone of their citizenship either.
Also, ending dual citizenship wouldn't end Musk's Canadian citizenship, it would just force him (and MANY more Canadians, including me) to choose which citizenship to keep.

susande.bsky.social•15 days ago

Thanks. I didn't know that about treason.
As for other, I expect it would be a painful decision for some, and for those who have two passports for convenience slightly less convenient.
My kids have dual citizenship, if they ever want to claim it. They haven't.

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

If your kids actually have citizenship *by birth* they don't HAVE to "claim it". Musk didn't have to "claim" his Canadian citizenship either. He was born with it.

I was ALSO born with two citizenships, fwiw, as my Mom was born in Canada and my dad in Scotland so I was BORN with both citizenships.

susande.bsky.social•15 days ago

I meant they haven't bothered to get passports from 2nd country. Similar situation

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

Sure, but if you're BORN a citizen there's no requirement to actually get a passport. The PASSPORT doesn't convey citizenship, the constitution and the law does.

I happen to know this because I was born with both Canadian and UK citizenship and neither was dependent on me applying for a passport.

marwoodbikes.bsky.social•15 days ago

Yeah, this is not a tool we want to hand the next conservative govt, and especially not for an action that would be purely symbolic. I totally understand the impulse but it wouldn't accomplish anything and makes a lot of people way less safe in the future.

northresists.bsky.social•15 days ago

Yeah, every time someone suggests that I wonder exactly where they think they are.

blbarden.bsky.social•15 days ago

How did we take away Conrad Black’s citizenship? Do the same for Musk.

journodale.bsky.social•15 days ago

He revoked it in order to accept a British peerage. It was not stripped.

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

Question: arent there valid grounds for opening a revocation proceeding? Like, has he not met some of the criteria making him eligible for such a proceeding?

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

What do you think constitutes acceptable grounds for revoking Canadian citizenship from someone who was born a Canadian citizen?

blbarden.bsky.social•15 days ago

We took it away from Conrad Black and hecwas birn in Canada. Musk is easier since he wasn’t born in Canada and he wouldn’t endure undue hardship because he still has US and South African citizenship.

journodale.bsky.social•15 days ago

No, we didn’t.

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

It doesnt matter what I think, does it?

There are, so far as I can tell, rationales prescribed by the state by which citizenship recocation can be initiated

Does Musk meet any of those criteria?

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

*revocation

philippebergeron.bsky.social•15 days ago

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship/enforcement-violations/enforcement-violations-revoking-citizenship.html

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

So, no avenue for birthright citizenship at all, looks like, as a previous post mentioned

Im not surprised.

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

"There are, so far as I can tell, rationales prescribed by the state by which citizenship revocation can be initiated".

Can you name one of them that applies to someone who was BORN a Canadian citizen?

I asked what you think the conditions are because I don't think any exist in this instance.

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

Youre going in a big circle to ask me if I have an answer to the question I asked.

Come on, man...

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

Apologies, I guess I should have just answered the question to the best of my knowledge.

No.

There are no legal means, currently, to strip a Canadian citizen who was born a Canadian citizen of the Canadian citizenship they were born with.

madhat59kenwood.bsky.social•15 days ago

He was not 'born' a Canadian.

endmetothemoon.bsky.social•15 days ago

Yes, he was, through his mother

chadcrichton.bsky.social•15 days ago

He definitely was.

When a Canadian citizen who was born in Canada gives birth to a child that child is born a Canadian regardless of where the birth takes place.

I know this because I was similarly born with British citizenship (in addition to Canadian) even though my birth took place in Ontario.

tobinh.bsky.social•15 days ago

well that's a different argument, but also 'say things we disagree with' has some daylight between it and 'support continued attacks against national sovereignty'. foreign actors with the power to make such credible threats are pretty few in number and easy to define.

wallykibler.bsky.social•15 days ago

Revoke musk’s citizenship? Then how would we be able to charge him with treason

albertagirl67.bsky.social•15 days ago

Canadian citizens belong to Canada to deal with. A better discussion might be around holding multiple citizenships & addressing citizenship obligations of birthright citizens whose parents & they have never been nor have any intention to be resident in Canada.

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