Greetings from Paris. Nice and peaceful here. Though it is only Monday. I expect it will be peaceful tomorrow, too. Do come and visit. The food’s better (and safer) as well.
Probably, US-Americans, busy working all day and MAGA, don't know what this is:
a public holiday (beside their Independence Day and this gobbler-slaughtering family-reunion.
😎
Just imagine, how many profits went undone today...
what part of the last 5 decades hasn't gotten through to you yet that the nazis will do what they want *regardless* and they will happily make up any excuse they want?
Also outside of factories and farms where most Americans never set foot, hard to think of a more commonly seen (in LA) device whose entire purpose for existing is to take a job away from a human
It is, actually; it helps clear those snitch-ass deathtraps off the street and it forces Google (a habitual donor to conservatives, by the way) to waste money repairing or replacing damaged vehicles.
My strong suspicion is that Waymo training data limitations means that "street closed due to protest" is not a scenario they know to respond in, so they just kind of drive awkwardly into things.
I know they're surveillance robots, basically, but I'm weak and I can't help anthropomorphizing them a little. Poor little babies all on their own on the hard streets. Just spray paint and burn them with love, ok?
Its the law of the not so wild wilds, if it was out in the great planes, its natural habitat, being consumed by one of the roving packs of lifted pick ups and jeeps would have been nearly inevitable.
The corrupt compliant corporate media will always feature coverage of what appears to be damage by protesters.
However, they’ll avoid covering things like a pregnant woman
being tackled on the street, what kidnapping toddlers really looks like, and also targeting people just passing by.
They are driverless surveillance devices, if theoretically someone wanted to disable that functionality, then using spray paint on the cameras makes more sense than setting them on fire.
Not setting them on fire would essentially be a weak message, compared to the right wing fascists who will disappear you and or kill you. Including harming everyone eventually. The cars being burned is far safer then lives being lost because fascists ideals.
Based on the number of right wingers who are convinced that Portland, Oregon has been a smoking crater and lawless wasteland since the summer of 2020, I'm curious how they haven't picked up on that yet.
No just like everything else they can selfishly and hypocritically compartmentalize everything if it fits whatever way the wind is blowing for them on a given day…
So family vacation to LA, amazing beautiful, somehow they managed to avoid the roaring homeless herd
Saw a waymo in Atl w a dented front window. If the corpos are going to keep giving us their expensive toys to rent they’ll have to get used to us playing rough lol
While I've got no problem with the protestors fucking up the Waymos, I do think it's perhaps unwise to set fire to them--the battery system will give off a lot of nasty, poisonous and corrosive fumes when burning.
Stephanie - thanks for doing your part to protect democracy. I think you’re getting a lot of guff on here because you’re criticizing an approach that is different from yours. Let’s respect all paths of resistance to the authoritarian regime. El pueblo unido nunca sera vencido.
Shouldn't have said it out loud because it's finger pointing at allies...and I think that's wrong.
I do hope people stay safe out there tonight and I hope this ends in a beneficial way for the community.
This is awesome. People rarely look in the mirror and admit that perhaps they could’ve done something differently. Thank you for doing that. I have been guilty of pointing fingers at allies and it distracts us from the real enemy.
Not the first time I've made a mistake....won't be the last. Now I will just sit back and survive the flurry of attacks coming my way - nothing I can do now.
Ya know- you're right. I don't agree with it and think it hurts THEM and THEIR COMMUNITY- but you're actually right that I've been saying we need unity and not finger pointing at each other.
And that's what I've done. I stand behind what I SAID, but I see now that I shouldn't have said it out loud.
How much actual violence happened by protesters before he called in the National Guard and Marines? And how many non-violent protesters have been drenched in tear gas and hit with rubber bullets?
He's currently lying like it's 1992 or 1968 in LA when it's not. Stop being afraid of him lying about anything when it comes to what you support or want to believe.
I have a list - including getting a governor impeached.
But the important question right now is - what do you actually think that these car fires and destruction of downtown LA and looting is going to achieve in THIS instance?
Really? Because I have heard about all of the protests going on, especially local to myself. You should follow some of the MANY groups organizing protests in your area.
But you should also keep it peaceful.
ask yourself why they had low attendance, and why everyone around you was over 50.
those protests didn’t have any impact. These are having an impact. Spontaneous protests around specific moments are always more impactful than something planned 2 months in advance, and only lasts 90 minutes
Telling protestors to keep it peaceful doesn't mean you don't want violence, it means you just want to see police inflict violence with impunity and will blame protesters for defending themselves and their hood.
When the boot-throating kills you, maybe someone will give a shit about your protests?
Ah yes just stay out of the public eye, don’t chant loud and walk single file down a sidewalk being careful not to disturb the joggers. That’s how you take down a fascist regime. You’ll show them! 😂
Hence why Trump thinks you're weak and a push over. These types of protests are the types that makes him back down and retreat. He's a bully. He wants to dominate. He doesn't want an actual fight. When you fight him, he backs down, especially because he lacks the numbers & logistics to win.
I'm not wrong. He's a bully. He can throw a punch, but he can't take one. If you do "peaceful" protests, he'll keep punching you because there's no consequences for doing so. But if you punch back, he retreats. Global leaders have learned this, why haven't Democrats?
a reminder that the majority of protests during the civil rights movement had a negative opinion. neither party fully supported them. the only reason they succeeded because the other side went apeshit.
I disagree- in fact, I think there's a GREAT chance the violence is coming from MAGA instigators (though the vitriol I've gotten for posting makes me rethink that)
He wants an excuse to invoke the insurrection act. He wants to lock us down into a 100% dictatorship. I believe he wants to end things.
You are right...you are completely right. I actually don't have a different way to offer, it just makes me sad and it feels like it's hurting THEM (via their own community) and makes me sad/scared for them....
But you're absolutely right. I don't even know of a different option to suggest. *sigh*
I know you are right, I know it- I just hate seeing it. I hate everything about this..what these citizens have been through that has brought them to this point, that I can't even think of a better way, that it has all come to this, that what Trump is just getting worse and worse..everything.
Yep - I'm pretty sure I know my own beliefs.
And I'm pretty sure you don't. But if name calling makes you feel better, I'm happy to take it. (and I mean that sincerely - the level of anger, fear, etc....I get it)
I, however, am not your enemy.
No - this is a perfect example of what I thought we were supposed to be about. Uniting, preventing the destruction of our country, embracing each other to fight the ACTUAL enemy that is threatening us.
Not a car...or a building...or small businesses...
Hard to embrace each other after the cops start firing tear gas at you. If you use your brain and notice the timeline, you'll find that these Waymos got set on fire after the cops started shooting people.
Y'all's iteration of respectability IS passivity, that's the point. Whinging to whoever doesn't leave quickly enough about how the other side (wink wink and nudge nudge and whatnot) keeps breaking the rules of a game they stopped playing years ago.
No. I think it's all the fault of this current administration. I know that people can't read every comment to a post - but I've apologized for the finger-pointing, admit that I don't have a better option to recommend....
But didn't delete the post because I don't want to censor people's voices.
Quick question: have you ever asked in the past 4 months: when will somebody do something about this? When will the people stand up against Trump’s lawlessness?
It’s happening now- people are doing something. They are standing up. Did you think Trump wouldn’t fight back?
breaking my heart and I made my post in a moment of intense sadness for all of us and fear of what's to come. Are we ever REALLY ready even when we see it coming?
You're right.....and my post was inappropriate to post. But now I will sit back and take my punches from the responders - I deserve it.
Point well made. That's an excellent point - I've felt that way even when writing, calling, protesting, boycotting, blah blah fucking blah. "Nothing is working!"
Your point is heard - and it's a good point. I KNEW this was coming and prepared for it - but watching it is breaking my heart and (cont)
okay better do nothing because [checks notes] somehow the fascist who did all this other shit was suddenly unable to make it worse until he had an excuse
what you're really saying is you didn't want to take his side until he had a good excuse. you just want to wash your hands of the whole affair.
well - that's quite an assumption, and one that I do not believe applies to me. I've always been socially liberal - but was economically conservative (which is the opposite of this administration).
Started the conversion under Clinton..who was more fiscally responsible than any republican I'd seen.
They're going to call it a violent protest no matter what and if there isn't violence they're going to make sure the cops perform violence upon the crowds. I have zero issue with the public doing property damage on the capitalists.
I suspect that a lot of the violence is coming from MAGA instigators. (the attacks i've received makes me reconsider that to an extent)
I have zero problem with people fighting for their rights (and lives) - but I hate seeing them harming their own community. It does feel rather inevitable, though.
Don't do this Stephanie. It's bad form to casually cop-jacket people. The cops literally use this accusation to foment strife within social movements. See the Cointelpro Papers by Ward Churchill.
PS. The reason I didn't delete my post was because I don't want to censor everyone who already responded, I want their voiced to be heard (even though most of it was ugly towards me, that's okay - I'm not a snowflake, I can take it)...I want people to be heard.
Thanks Stephanie. Sorry I need to learn to keep my place in a thread without getting lost. Don't let people being mean bring you down. They're frustrated with respectability politics.
I know that VERY few people have the time/energy to read all comments of course- but I've apologized 3 times, agreeing that I can't think of a better alternative, that it's finger-pointing my own side which is wrong, and that this was just an expression of my own fears. Again I say, you're right.
To be clear:
Scenario: light in direction turns green. I look over left shoulder, first car goes straight so I go forward. Second car is waymo and goes into crosswalk. It does stop but it's close enough to slap the hood.
I can do eye check with human drivers, can't with waymo.
Nothing compared to trying to cross the streets in Amsterdam with hundreds of cyclists zooming by. Got hit by one from behind because I wasn’t fully on the sidewalk😳.
The gestapo are going to do what they do, whether there's property damage or not. Even if protesters did *nothing* RW mouthpieces would lie and use fake photos to make the demonstrations seem violent.
The RW controls the mainstream press too. NYT, WSJ, WaPo: all operated by MAGA collaborators. ABC too now.
Moderate voters aren't going to get an accurate picture bc the Right controls the narrative.
Fuck the spy cars.
I hear you and I too am frustrated with the media but I also know that somehow, the message of Trump’s corruption, incompetence, and criminality is getting through to people (thinking about my mom and FIL as examples). It certainly feels good to to smash some cars but it won’t win voters.
I honestly don't think it's going to lose any either. People who will latch on to property damage as an adequate justification for a police state are hopeless cases.
Always some guy every riot, who couldn’t get a HS diploma or a GED in a hoodie, setting a poor random car on fire. Like that’s going to do a whole lot 🤷♂️. They want car prices to go down this doesn’t help🤣!
I’ve driven in many Ubers before and in LA actually and never made an encounter with a, I assume a stereotype of a meth head you are probably referring to.
I think they are spying on them bc they are trying to burn down buildings. 😳this is how the progrsssive left loses major elections and all branches of government. You playing right into Trumpism
These aren't random cars. they're driverless taxis that have a lot of cameras, and the police are using their feeds to spy on people on the street during protests.
I think they are spying on them bc they are trying to burn down buildings. 😳this is how the progrsssive left loses major elections and all branches of government. You playing right into Trumpism
Ya actually I do. Your killing the progressive movement. Walking right into Trumps hands. Not smart waving Mexican flags at the protest either. Forget having the Senate for the next decade.
Surveillance cars that drive up and down streets recording them 24 hours a day. I get multiple cars up and down my street every day with nobody in them. I never see passengers in them.
None of this is way most’s fault, and in fact, WeMo may be a good way to get to and from protests so as not to risk your own vehicle vehicles or identifiable information like license plates
I hope some people on site got videos of whoever let them on fire because this is the kind of action that outside agitators such as proud boys or embedded ice agents might do to discredit the resistance
or just destroy them because they're nothing more than playtoys of the rich that serve the quadruple "waymo" of making traffic worse, endangering pedestrians, narcing to the cops and putting taxi drivers out of work.
I would like to see protesters carrying American flags because MAGA has co-opted the flag. Protesting is one of the most important American rights we have under our Constitution. We are protesting because we love our country and we value our democracy.
I agree. I also think they should wear shirts or hold color coded signs that encourage the police and military to standing with them and not with the hostile admin, etc.
I just didn't see what it had to do with waymo cars.
Oh, it's basically an experimental taxi service made of self-driving cars... a competitor to tesla, really. So you'd think they'd be happier with waymo than with tesla... but I'm east coast, so am probably missing something important.
The right didn't "co-opt" the flag, America is literally just fucking evil. Flying that shitrag at protests, especially in California, is insanely disrespectful.
They should be waiving American flags, not Mexico’s, or any other country. Waiving flags other than the American flag only emboldens the argument of the right that these are invaders trying to conquer the US.
lol the right has all the power, there is no correct way to resist them that won’t be twisted against you. It is a fight and capitulating to their propaganda does nothing. If people cannot see why and what people are fighting for unless there’s an American flag, they don’t really care.
Why do you still care about convincing the right of anything? 'Theyre eating the dogs', remember? This could the most peaceful march in the world and theyd still spin it as LA being burnt to the ground.
Because protesting deportations from the United States while waiving flags of the country people fled from is bad optics. If you wanna win the hearts and minds of Americans show police violence towards people waiving American flags.
I dont need to see an american flag to know what is happening is wrong. If someone else does, thats something deeper that the sight of a flag wont fix. That side keeps defacing it anyways, look at their stupid thin line shit. They dont care about the flag unless it serves them.
This state's lifeblood IS immigrants, a flag is a piece of cloth. We didnt other these people, the government did, there is nothing wrong with being here having come from another country. Most of us have descended from the very same people.
If the flag is a piece of cloth then it shouldn’t matter to you or the protestors what the colors are. I agree what’s happening is abhorrent, but Trump won’t listen to the protestors. But he will listen to his base, and his base won’t like watching police attack people waiving American flags.
His base isnt going to suddenly change their mind seeing the american flags, im sorry but please grow up, we dont have time for this kind of crap anymore. You wanna see the ol stars and stripes at a protest go ahead and bring one when you attend
1) Peaceful protesters stop being peaceful when you start gassing them.
2) Conservatives call us violent no matter how peaceful we are. Stop letting those diseased animals dictate your politics. Or, if you can't manage that, at least get the fuck out of everyone else's way.
And I say that's stupid, vulgar, and self-centered. The flag doesn't mean the same thing to everyone, even within the United States; you should consider why people might be uncomfortable flying the flag of the people gassing and black-bagging them.
then they ask why various people hate them.
like YOU DONT TURN ON FIRE CARS FOR PROTESTING?!
EVEN LESS ELECTRIC CARS, i know this is some nerd stuff BUT ELECTRIC CARS TEND TO BURN LONGER AND HARDER, MAKING A ABSOLUTE DANGER TO EVERYBODY
YOU'RE FREE PEOPLE!
Get your guns, organize the militias, it's time to fight, or lose our country forever.
We're free men. Nothing can take that from us but our own cowardice & failure to act.
It's our duty to protect the Republic.
We the People are the front & last line of defense.
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(Gruff, stoic voice)... "slugs".
a public holiday (beside their Independence Day and this gobbler-slaughtering family-reunion.
😎
Just imagine, how many profits went undone today...
what part of the last 5 decades hasn't gotten through to you yet that the nazis will do what they want *regardless* and they will happily make up any excuse they want?
liberalism: not even once.
They had time to move the cars out of the area. They could have moved them during the night or early morning.
Just at the hands of paid chaos agents
However, they’ll avoid covering things like a pregnant woman
being tackled on the street, what kidnapping toddlers really looks like, and also targeting people just passing by.
Public support for justification for more violent repression?
If you char the camera black, it won't work for a lifetime.
I think the WTO Protests in Seattle are also seared into a certain type of right-wing person's mind as what life is still like here too.
So family vacation to LA, amazing beautiful, somehow they managed to avoid the roaring homeless herd
That’s why.
I hate that they exist at all, but burning them is dangerous.
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
they’re not even the muskrat’s
I do hope people stay safe out there tonight and I hope this ends in a beneficial way for the community.
And that's what I've done. I stand behind what I SAID, but I see now that I shouldn't have said it out loud.
the nazis don't care what you do they're going to do what they want and lie about the reasons no matter what.
But the important question right now is - what do you actually think that these car fires and destruction of downtown LA and looting is going to achieve in THIS instance?
But you should also keep it peaceful.
those protests didn’t have any impact. These are having an impact. Spontaneous protests around specific moments are always more impactful than something planned 2 months in advance, and only lasts 90 minutes
When the boot-throating kills you, maybe someone will give a shit about your protests?
And ran again in 2024 - with almost nobody voting for him.
He wants an excuse to invoke the insurrection act. He wants to lock us down into a 100% dictatorship. I believe he wants to end things.
But you're absolutely right. I don't even know of a different option to suggest. *sigh*
"They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!"
Media: "Both sides"
Fuck off, fascist sympathizer
And I'm pretty sure you don't. But if name calling makes you feel better, I'm happy to take it. (and I mean that sincerely - the level of anger, fear, etc....I get it)
I, however, am not your enemy.
the shitlib credo
https://bsky.app/profile/ib2real.bsky.social/post/3lr52mttvc22o
Not a car...or a building...or small businesses...
It's not WWII anymore. There are no good guys with guns.
(There's a related gender bias ideology at play, which is also fascinating)
not the ice thugs throwing flash bangs and tear gas and violently apprehending parents who've been showing up to all their court appointments?
burning 3 waymos isn't the ammo anyone needs but you seem eager to let trump off the chain
But didn't delete the post because I don't want to censor people's voices.
Government escalates.
“Don’t give them an excuse to escalate further.”
Government escalates.
“Don’t respond. It’s what they want.”
Government escalates.
“Just stay calm. The troops will save us by disobeying orders.”
Government escalates, troops obey.
Etc etc etc.
It’s happening now- people are doing something. They are standing up. Did you think Trump wouldn’t fight back?
You're right.....and my post was inappropriate to post. But now I will sit back and take my punches from the responders - I deserve it.
Your point is heard - and it's a good point. I KNEW this was coming and prepared for it - but watching it is breaking my heart and (cont)
there's no such thing as an ex-republican.
what you're really saying is you didn't want to take his side until he had a good excuse. you just want to wash your hands of the whole affair.
Started the conversion under Clinton..who was more fiscally responsible than any republican I'd seen.
I have zero problem with people fighting for their rights (and lives) - but I hate seeing them harming their own community. It does feel rather inevitable, though.
Salud
Oh no.
Residents have endangered investments of the billionaire elite ruling class.
How un-American.
Next they’ll want us to start drinking tea.
*points at pictures with satisfaction*
Scenario: light in direction turns green. I look over left shoulder, first car goes straight so I go forward. Second car is waymo and goes into crosswalk. It does stop but it's close enough to slap the hood.
I can do eye check with human drivers, can't with waymo.
I live in Koreatown, a lovely mix of stroads and pedestrians.
Moderate voters aren't going to get an accurate picture bc the Right controls the narrative.
Fuck the spy cars.
they must burn
eat shit
And we don't.
Artie ain't even 2nd place
Someone wealthy is going to be mad their Waymos were trashed, even if insured.
Cover their cameras and they both stop moving and can't show the cops anything.
I just didn't see what it had to do with waymo cars.
1) Peaceful protesters stop being peaceful when you start gassing them.
2) Conservatives call us violent no matter how peaceful we are. Stop letting those diseased animals dictate your politics. Or, if you can't manage that, at least get the fuck out of everyone else's way.
like YOU DONT TURN ON FIRE CARS FOR PROTESTING?!
EVEN LESS ELECTRIC CARS, i know this is some nerd stuff BUT ELECTRIC CARS TEND TO BURN LONGER AND HARDER, MAKING A ABSOLUTE DANGER TO EVERYBODY
Get your guns, organize the militias, it's time to fight, or lose our country forever.
We're free men. Nothing can take that from us but our own cowardice & failure to act.
It's our duty to protect the Republic.
We the People are the front & last line of defense.