Bernie really isn’t due much respect. He Nader’d an election and contorted issues. I liked him at the time but now, knowing what we were up against, none of our candidates other than Hilary were up to the task
Is he afraid of them and complying in advance by publicly bending the knee and kissing ass?
It's definitely not what we need right now, and he should delete all similar rubbish from his drafts.
“A broken clock is right twice a day”. Decreasing military spending is still extremely necessary, no matter who says it. Elon won’t actually do it, of course, since some of that money goes to him.
Can we stop attacking people when they do the right thing just because we dislike Elon?
Like best case scenario : military funding is cut
worst case scenario : Bernie can shout that Elon ignored this and it's ammo you can throw at Trump in four years. You literally cannot lose.
Bernie Bros? This is so 2016. Democratic strategists do not learn that their party is not owed a vote. A huge number of Dems voted against Trump, not for the party. They have lost even more loyalty since the "blame the Bernie Bros for the loss" era and still they continue to shift blame. Pathetic.
I sure hope so. We need the Democrats to wise up and figure out a strategy that works. I am however, not very hopeful that they will take stock and make the necessary changes.
Democrats have cost Democrats 2 elections now. Bernie performed well in '16-20 with every group Kamala under performed with. Whether it's fair or not, and it isn't, Dems are perceived as the status quo party atm by too many people.
They were certainly culpable. Hell I even voted for Bernie in the primaries back in 2015. But it's still a fact that the 3rd party voters, especially in 2024, def contributed to costing all of us the election. I know quite a few who went for Trump or Stein as protest votes.
I will blame him for SCOTUS & 2016 until they throw dirt in my face he should've been telling white people to find those boot straps they keep talking about instead he blamed a Black Based Dem party for not feeling sorry enough that they voted their own self into poverty trying to keep everyone poor
“Elon Musk is right. The Pentagon, with a budget of $886 billion, just failed its 7th audit in a row. It’s lost track of billions,” Sanders said in his post.
“All due respect” being precisely none to one of the biggest problems in modern American politics coasting, like Trump, on a powerful cult of personality, reactionary nonsense, and overwhelming entitlement in the face of zero positive achievements.
The 80-year-old Vermont senator wrote, "We must demand that the extremely wealthy pay their fair share." Musk retorted, "I keep forgetting that you're still alive." CNBC
It's like people don't realize to get anything accomplished in American politics you have to work with the other side. No one person can bring change. When Bernie says musk is right, it's because Bernie has been saying this for more than three decades.
You would rather just make a sweeping generalization and assume that %50 of the country must be racist or sexist? I won't defend any of them but I agree with what Bernie says here. It is very possible that a small amount of them are just extremely greedy
I absolutely in no way defended them. I am pointing out that statistically it is impossible for every 78 million of them to be sexist and racist. Go back to statistics class
78 million put a rapist in office. That's beyond sexist. It's deeply misogynistic. How's that for math? 78 million were good with his deeply racist statements and policies. Collaborators all. There's more math if you want it.
So your willing to just say that anybody who voted for him is sexist or racist? Do you know what stereotyping is? It is mathematically impossible that out of 78 million people that even just one of them is not sexist or racist. I had a gf who voted for Bush just because her mother made her waffles
All due respect to Bernie would be to quote the entire tweet. Which, you know, undermines the first sentence. Writing it this way is a well-known rhetorical approach.
Interesting take. I 100% feel like we r paying 4 our sins 4 not electing Bernie to2B the Dem party candidate instead of coronating Hilary. If we had gone with Bernie, we never would have had a Trump. It would be a much better world. The party put their hand on the scale 2get Hilary, now we pay.
Sorry. Sanders would have lost to Trump. Months of ‘crazy Bernie’ oppo - the stuff about his wife’s finances, his weird sex shit in the 70s and the holidays in the USSR would have been an endless part of the news cycle.
BTW we've "elected" Trump twice now with WAY more crazy baggage than Bernie Sanders. The difference? The "Oppo" machine paid for by billionaires, bots and foreigners. Its a real pay to play system.
It’s one thing to re-evaluate budgets and a completely different thing to agree with that monster who wasn’t elected to any office and wants to take over.
My guy says the same thing. One of his employees is a maga and he talked about Obama being sworn in on the Quran. I told him that was untrue and recalled several news agencies reporting Obama being sworn in on MLK's and Abraham Lincoln's Bibles! It was reported DURING the inauguration. Fact checked!
Get over it, he endorsed Clinton and his supporters mostly voted for her.
A smaller percentage of Clinton's supporters voted for Obama in 2008, and some of them even formed a PUMA ("Party Unity My Ass") PAC to protest Obama's nomination at the DNC and endorse McCain/Palin.
Lmao good to see nobody is being irrational. This scorched earth shit you all like to co-sign to is what the right likes to jump on. No problem in calling shit out, but keep the fucking perspective. Pentagon is losing billions of dollars and it’s not okay. It’s not wrong to agree to that sentiment.
Where did that happen? We all know Bernie wouldn’t have the same cuts in spending that Elon would. But it’s fucking stupid to ignore the pentagon no passing audits. Again, it’s what the right would use to against us. Stop going scorched earth on everything. We’ll need to work together at some point.
“Elon Musk is right. The Pentagon, with a budget of $886 billion, just failed its 7th audit in a row. It’s lost track of billions,” Sanders said in his post.
It's about time people stopped pretending that a guy who was dancing in his undies in Moscow for his honeymoon is a good person. They guy keeps ranting about donations Democrat senators receive? Has nobody seen the amount of donations he has gotten over the years? Just another Putin puppet he is
Just to be clear, for full context -- Bernie Sanders was trying to encourage spending cuts to the Department of Defense. The problem is the phrasing/optics, not necessarily the policy.
Though also to be clear, DoD spending is also near a 60-year low (and post-9/11 low) in terms of GDP%.
I just can't give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He only pops up when he has no hope of changing anything in order to praise the people in power.
He "popped up" throughout Biden's term to help cap insulin and to fight for dental to be included in Medicare. There are few Senators who have provided as much direct benefit to Americans as Bernie. I guess that's why Centrists hate him. 🙄
Don't associate me with centrists. I'm left of Bernie, at least I wouldn't have bent the knee when Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz stole the Democrat Primary.
Listen, anyone against what Debbie Wasserman Schultz did in 2016 is a friend of mine, even if we disagree about Bernie. I hold her in great part responsible for Trump and the mess this country is now.
Elon Musk is fine with military spending on weapons systems and anything that goes to the defense industries, what he wants to cut is pay of troops, benefits to veterans, and anything that benefits anyone but the oligarchs, also aid to Ukraine. So Bernie is wrong about what Elon actually wants.
Well we are going to find out. I been following Bernie Sanders for many years. He does speak truth to power. So I'll give him the benefit of doubt until I can see more clearly what's going on here. I certainly don't TRUST ELON MUSK WITH ANYTHING albeit.
Bernie is fully aware of Elon's doublespeak. He knows that any changes made to the government will be solely to consolidate republican power and cause harm to any detractors. The very idea that he would add his name to the legitimacy of bad faith arguments puts his integrity into question.
I've been following Bernie Sanders for years about 20 years. I find it hard to believe that he kowed to Trump and Elon Musk. He has been fighting about the dangers of the Industrial Military Complex. So I have to push back at calling his integrity into question so easily.
Yes you are probably right. But Elon didn't say that and that is not what Bernie Sanders was referring to when he said Elon was right. Bernie has been trying to cut military budget for decades.
Elon travelled to Russia back in 2001-2002. He was trying to buy a rocket from the Russians. I'm guessing that Putler has video recorded with a hidden camera of Elon doing something that he shouldn't have done…
If Elon the idiot said, "The sun is bright," would you take the opposite stance?
It seems to me Bernie is punking Elon by pointing out that Lefties have been asking for a smaller Defense budget for decades and Bernie is ready to hold his feet to the fire.
I don't understand how on the one hand Bernie can tweet about the real danger facing us is the Oligarchs and then turn around and give props to the biggest Oligarch in the US.😡
OMG. It was a challenge to Musk over a problem that is acknowledged to have existed for decades. Why would any progressive think for one minute Bernie with his track record would be giving approval. I am so disappointed with the trap of "either or", "all or nothing" thinking the left embraces.
Why are Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna legitimizing Elon Musk? Every Democrat should be clearly, consistently, unequivocally condemning President Musk.
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It's definitely not what we need right now, and he should delete all similar rubbish from his drafts.
Like best case scenario : military funding is cut
worst case scenario : Bernie can shout that Elon ignored this and it's ammo you can throw at Trump in four years. You literally cannot lose.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5016658-bernie-sanders-defense-spending-elon-musk/
We all are aware of the Bernie bro ---> alr right pipeline
He's right about some things, wrong about most.
Let's not be MAGA lemmings.
He adults!
Fuck, I wish I proof read my posts 🤣
You just defended them.
This isn't about math Bob.
We're done here.
A smaller percentage of Clinton's supporters voted for Obama in 2008, and some of them even formed a PUMA ("Party Unity My Ass") PAC to protest Obama's nomination at the DNC and endorse McCain/Palin.
After all these years, you want to hold hands with the right and pretend they are suddenly trustworthy. Be my guest.
Nobody is saying they’re trustworthy. But sometimes the crack head on the corner is speaking truth.
Of course, this will also benefit America's enemies, and will screw over America's allies around the world as well.
Ask not in the first instance if elon is right
Ask instead “am I following the ancient political advice to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove”
Though also to be clear, DoD spending is also near a 60-year low (and post-9/11 low) in terms of GDP%.
"Elon Musk is right-wing."
It seems to me Bernie is punking Elon by pointing out that Lefties have been asking for a smaller Defense budget for decades and Bernie is ready to hold his feet to the fire.