I mean, Perkins Coie and WilmerHale aren't exactly chopped liver, and so far their response to illegal decrees from the Oresident has been "We'll see you in court." So #NotAllBigLaw.
I’ve noticed for decades that our judicial system was slipping, and that was even before SCOTUS got stacked and made their Citizens United ruling, ruining everything for everyone.
At what point are we going to realize we can’t just sit back and trust others to do the right thing??
They read a poker book once where the first chapter talked about the importance of folding and they just never made it any farther than that apparently.
BigLaw's top priority is maximizing partner profits w/o considering the impact on anyone or anything else. This includes overworking associates & staff, underfunding technical support, etc. If the partnership deems it good for the bottom line to bend over, they'll do it with a smile.
Exactly right. As long as they get that sweet, sweet government money, they really don't care.
Not all of BigLaw has capitulated (yet). In fact, there are notable exceptions and likely to be others in the future. But those who do bend a knee to the orange throne will rue those decisions someday.
In my experience, rare is the wealthy head that rolls.
They remember the French Revolution and they have all vowed, generation after generation, "Never again."
Why would it require a congressional mechanism? Basic contract law is based in common law. Interference in a contract is tort law, also based in common law.
Collective action problems are not that hard to understand.
What's hard is finding people of any courage. Always has been. People are not who they imagine they will be in the face of authoritarians. They're almost all kneelers.
The "LAW" is only used for the subjugation of the poor and those who are willing to put trust/faith into it. The "rich and criminals" only believe in the "rule of law" when they have no choice and are forced to comply and comport to it.
Yes, there are limits & cycles.Things get so bad, correction is needed in order to sustain those using law, religion, whatever as a tool of subjugation. The cycles are what slowly bring us forward. We have made slow progress but can't unless people stand up and demand change. It's "We the people"
I'll wager like top CEOs who meet annually in Sun Valley something similar for large partner firms with questionable events recorded somewhere in the cloud.
You expect a bunch of rich people, likely from rich families, who've never gone hungry a day in their lives, to have the backbone to stand up to fascism?
Weird. A whole lot of the associates at MY big law firm are from middle-class or poorer families, and we're all pretty fucking pissed off at the regime.
US troops took an oath to protect the constitution against enemies foreign and abroad. Trump doesn't think the constitution applies to him. Paul Dans eluded to redoing the constitution in Politico article: Beyond My Wildest Dreams. Fact: Presidents come and go, the constitution doesn't.
I have lost my ability to be as civil as you are in these alarming times. Your civil discourse helps balance us out. I shall however continue to howl and growl at necessary times. But your stoicism is appreciated.
Actually those men work for the constitution, and forgetting that even for an instant leads to eventual peril. Vote blue, vote pro democracy and anti authoritarian and anti GOP. Those men with their guns pledge their allegiance to the United States 🇺🇸 constitution. Not to any individual nor branch💙🇺🇸💙
But who’s doing the ordering isn’t necessarily the blow hard that doesn’t value his oath, there’s the other order giver; it’s the other guy that’s even more powerful than the oath ignoring puppet and his oath is taken seriously and he knows an illegal order is not order; his name: conscience. Vote 💙
Sorry but I’m confused with your remark. He gave AMERICA the strongest economy ever so let him have ice cream and apple pie for all I care. Dem’s build and Reps destroy. Thank You for the Reply.
And that all is being destroyed because they failed to prosecute the morons committing treason. Obviously not all on Biden, but blood is absolutely on his hands.
Like arrest and prosecute the guy who committed treason… make no mistake all of this is happening because the previous administration failed to enforce the law.
But honestly what's the point of being a lawyer if they aren't willing to fight for well documented legal precedent and some very straightforward constitutional amendments a bill of very obvious bill of rights?
The cowardice is palpable and distressing to average dissenting Americans.
He was asked to read something on the stand in court several years ago and he said he didn’t have his glasses with him so he couldn’t read it. Has anyone ever seen him wearing glasses? He just lies that easily
If you read the deals the two big law firms have cut, the language also cuts both ways, and promises Trump no allegiance to the specific side of the issues he supports instead of the opposed sides. It does, however, promise $40 million (Paul, Weiss) & $100 million (Skadden) PB.
At a firm like Paul Weiss, $40M is like 20 hours per lawyer. They were probably already doing that much pro bono work per year and more. Now they just do some veteran services for a little bit and wash their hands. The PR is worse than what they actually gave up.
Associates busy battling for partnerships.
Partners busy spending or investing all that good money.
Easier to capitulate and keep raking it in than take a stand and fight, risking those nice profits.
Most of their big clients do the same dance, so they won’t lose anything by waving the white flag.
It's like if your going to work for the rich corporate client that doesn't want to be held financially accountable for harm they cause - you just have to not care about right and wrong. If one isn't that way to start with, after awhile, their ethics and morality are just wiped.
I was an associate for four years at Sullivan & Cromwell, a mere Fordham peon, surrounded by Harvard, Yale, Columbia & NYU grads, 98% of whom cared only about the money and the prestige. Not where I’d go to look for courage.
I hate to say it, but this is exactly how I think of lawyers. I will never again take on a lawyer as a client because they are such assholes, who literally only care about money.
Sullivan & Cromwell in the 1990s made their temps sign an agreement that the firm could hire people to investigate the temps at their homes if they wanted to and inspect their personal lives, for no reason. I refused to sign, even though rent was due.
Stand up for the EO law firms by urging your employer or companies (prospective clients (!)) to speak up. Just as consumers supported CostCo, law firms need support from their $ stream.
CEOs, CFOs, and GCs need to ask their OC to speak up & direct biz to the brave firms. This is how we help!
Trump is running a protection racket as he's well accustomed to doing. It's his MO. Ordinarily, a law firm would denounce the extortion and engage law enforcement, but look who's running the FBI and the Justice department. He's getting away with extensive extortion.
There is always Interpol & the ICC. They say he is ruining everything everywhere for everyone & if this is the case there has to be something, somehow that can be done. There is. It is just the people with the power and position, outside of his owned agencies aren't acting, out of self preservation
this was just a joke about a common saying we used to hear in law school. For those unaware: "A students become professors, B students become judges, and C students become rich."
To be fair, they didn’t EXPLICITLY tell us in professional responsibility class that our oath comes before LOTS of money when an admin launches a multi front attack on rule of law and the Constitution. Apparently a new model rule is needed to clearly spell it out.
Actually needing to extol the virtues of civility fair play common decency stops at the age of 13-15. Beyond that there’s also the need to worry about hurting small animals. Warren Buffet is very wealthy and comfortably paying 2B in taxes annually. Greed is a human failing, let’s not sugarcoat that💙
All the money and history that they have and they cant find anybody to remove the problem ? They are judt going to roll over, you're fucking kidding..I dont get it.
I worked on a contract case for a big firm whose client was suing for, among other things, fraud in the inducement because defendant didn’t disclose cancer diagnosis. I found an email from him that said, “Don’t say anything about my cancer or they won’t sign.” Trial counsel somehow lost the case.
Strange as it sounds turns out there’s 0 accountability & 0 consequences to being a lousy lawyer. A doctor loses his license & a hospital would face severe consequences if they did to patients what lawyers are being told they must do to clients by trump. Difference is bad lawyers keep license. Vote💙
How many former (current?) Trump lawyers have been hauled before a judge or their state bar?! Keep watching what has already happened, and delude yourself that it won’t happen to you? Is that their profoundly misguided thinking?
Exactly their misguided thinking. But then what else is new about the typical Trump supporter. He lies to them they support him.They get convicted he denies knowing very much about them.
ENFORCE #Amendment14_3 like ALL OATHERS PROMISED. It empowers OATHERS TO ARREST TDUMP VAMPZZ ALLGOP MUSKRAT for TREASON treasonous insurectionist comforters,holding office while Disqualified, says the US Constitution.
Lawyers can be reported to the bar association and loose their license. If everyone reported these people to the bar for not upholding the law then they would be investigated and could lose their license. Not sure it rises to that level yet. Money and big firms = shitty people and atty
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At what point are we going to realize we can’t just sit back and trust others to do the right thing??
lmao, even
They got their jobs based on who they know, not what they know.
...but I suppose no one is paying them for that.
Not all of BigLaw has capitulated (yet). In fact, there are notable exceptions and likely to be others in the future. But those who do bend a knee to the orange throne will rue those decisions someday.
They remember the French Revolution and they have all vowed, generation after generation, "Never again."
https://aiwillybillhuman.substack.com/p/executive-order-404-democracy-not
They’re either morons or deliberate saboteurs.
I say both.
Collective action problems are not that hard to understand.
What's hard is finding people of any courage. Always has been. People are not who they imagine they will be in the face of authoritarians. They're almost all kneelers.
Honey.
Honey.
Perhaps you should calm down stop defending the pathetically wealthy and read.
Judge blocks Trump executive order targeting law firm tied to Mueller probe
The temporary restraining order, announced by Judge John Bates at the end of a hastily scheduled Friday hearing…
The vast majority of lawyers with political ties or background are NOT fighting for Democracy.
I am NOT fighting those very few who are trying to save this country.
I am sorry if my Bostonian grammar got you fired up.
The cowardice is palpable and distressing to average dissenting Americans.
He can't. I swear,I would pay to see him read something COLD. No advanced notice. No prep. Just read it out loud. Just to watch the panic...
Grrr
Trump knows how to divide and conquer alliances. The Dems keep struggling to stay on the island.
What should Dems take from game theory? Serious question.
They know Trump wants a deal. Or rather to declare he has got a deal.
But there is no follow up. Promise him the earth - then ignore it. That $40m pro bono - it happens "next month" which never quite arrives.
Maybe too optimistic / naive of me
Partners busy spending or investing all that good money.
Easier to capitulate and keep raking it in than take a stand and fight, risking those nice profits.
Most of their big clients do the same dance, so they won’t lose anything by waving the white flag.
CEOs, CFOs, and GCs need to ask their OC to speak up & direct biz to the brave firms. This is how we help!
I loved studying law, it's fascinating (mostly - Land Law and Equity and Trusts bored me silly).