Thanks, I hate it but it’s probably right. However, House Democrats and Democrats generally can hate how Schumer did this. Totally ineffective leadership and messaging.
"Probably the right call" is to pump the brakes as hard as he can to put a stop to this felon/GOP bus swerving all over the street and crashing into things. Shutting down the government, as bad as it may be, is the ONLY option the Dems have at this moment. The other side isn't stopping at any cost.
I can’t stand this position they’ve allowed themselves to get trapped in. By being the bigger person they are forced to take party losses every step of the way. And now that we’re in this position we can never act out because then we’re just sore losers or hypocrites. And if both parties 1/2
@sykescharlie.bsky.social, I have a great deal of respect for you (and for Senator Schumer for that matter), but I respectfully disagree with Schumer's logic and conclusions:
Chuck Schumer needs to go. Incredibly stupid choice. It’s called consequences Chuck. You fuck up and you pay the price. Something Donald and the Republicans are great at avoiding and then blaming you. So stupidly you played into their hands.
The poem, Charge of the Light Brigade kept Teddy Roosevelt in the public mind until he ran for the presidency. He was on the side of destroying the robberbaron's power over the government.
More poetry please
The heck he “made the right call”. He stabbed his caucus in the back after they stuck their necks out for him. He’s signing off on a literal fake budget - one that only passed the House because of promises to wingnuts that it wouldn’t actually be obeyed.
It would have been better to argue that the Republican CR was a lesser evil than a shutdown from the beginning. Instead he hung vulnerable Representatives and Senators out to dry, blindsiding even House leadership.
Right, the issues isn’t necessarily voting yes. It’s a tough position to be in and I can see the argument made for both yes and no. The issue is the lack of unity in the party. They make each other look stupid and weak. Republicans are able to divide and conquer.
The alternative isn’t worse but it will cause pain.
That’s the point.
This will create instability and open the gates for even worse things to happen. It’ll be squarely on republicans.
Period.
Full stop.
This is the fight democrats and the United States needs.
Initially, I was upset with Schumer, anticipating that this would spark a fight. Nevertheless, your article provided. a better understanding, even if my discontent remains. I have gained valuable insight into conservative politics, from you refining my analytical approach, thank you!
What about the orders last night from 2 judges to reinstate everyone fired over the past weeks? If some of them are deemed essential and have to be at work without pay on Monday, don't they slow FOTUS's takeover plans.
Wonderful review of the arguments and stakes. The most useful counter argument I have is if Trump congratulates you on your "good choice", you should seriously consider another choice. It's classic Trump public manipulation.
Never bc Charlie here won't face the same level of horrors not elite Americans will face. When your net worth is in the millions who cares about the truth of the rest of us.
If the damage is going to happen anyway, why slow it down? The faster it happens, the more incompetently it is implemented and the more people wake up. If there was any sign that Schumer had a robust plan for after this CR is passed I might be more willing to agree, but I just see appeasement.
The damage is going to be done. Schumer, who's been a weak leader for decades, is only going to make their march to fasicsm progress more slowly. But it is still moving forward.
With Schumer voting yes, he's giving Trump the propaganda of it being "bi-partisan".
Any Senate Democrats that Vote Yes to pass The House GOP Bill & liar Racist Felon Criminal Dictator Trump need to Vote out, because they are not real Democrats & do not care What their Supporters & Voters need & want, Fuck Them, Specialty the liar scare hypocrite Chuck Schumer!
Schumer is such a coward. Dems need to quit fixing GOP problems. If the GOP do not have the votes and do not want to include dems, why on earth should dems (and the people who vote for them) vote for it?
Fair enough! Your explanation makes some sense. But, when do Dems stand up and say, "No, no no." (Thinking of Amy Winehouse's "Ain't Goin' to Rehab".) Feels like we're getting "rolled", in a flophouse; instead of breaking into being the lead.
No. See Senator Ossof’s reasons why he is voting no. We need new leadership now. We need someone who will step up to the plate and defend our democracy.
That is so disturbing, if this bill goes thru, maybe all the people that are going to get social security cut that live in his area should pup tents on his lawn.
Sorry Charlie. I respect your opinion, but I’m not so sure I agree. I feel Schumer should be less Tennyson in this moment and more Tecumseh: “Sing your death song and die like a hero going home”
They're already doing whatever TF they want with the institutions. That argument holds no water. He's a coward. Time for new leadership, with actual human personalities, and more importantly with spines. Schumer and Jeffries are caricatures of dull, wooden, impotent failing leaders.
The dems who decided to vote for trump continuing should resign or be voted out. Kissing the ring for trump means he has power to steel more from people who are not millionaires, this is idiotic not for regular people
The roles would never be reversed. How does it make sense to prevent Trump from dismantling the govt by shutting it down. You can’t claim we need the EPA & then shut it down. It makes no sense.
Dems are giving Republicans votes they need WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANYTHING in return. Even worse, it's a slap in the face to House Dems in tough positions who voted against it. For nothing, if enough Senate Dems cave. Just despicable.
I disagree on the distraction aspect. Much of the country is not paying attention to what Trump is doing. It’s harder to ignore during a shutdown when services are cut. A government shutdown puts a laser focus on the admin and gives us a chance right now to effect change. Later is too late.
You are completely wrong. There is a very plausible way to win, as every House Democrat but one knew (and said) - a 30 day CR during which a more bipartisan appropropriations process would craft a bill. You must know that? Didn't you work there?
Schumer, unfortunately, has lost all credibility. His instincts and actions since Trump 2.0 have been completely wrongheaded and weak. I don’t trust his thinking.
With you! We can’t be the frog in simmering water. The end result will be the same. Trumpites cannot be trusted. Better to draw the line and challenge the evil orange man. Even Repubs are beginning to see what he is capable of. SS should be the center of the battle. Call their bluff, fight now!
If the government shuts down, Trump and MAGA will hang it like a noose around the Dems. Then they’ll blame Dems for the coming recession. MAGA OWNS the public narrative whether we like it or not.
Agreed. Schumer made the right call. Left unsupervised what will DOGE and Trump do?
Democrats and media need to explain to Americans what is really happening. @democrats.org @democrats-judiciary.house.gov @senatedems25.bsky.social
For Dems, this is a critical moment of reckoning. 32% of voters will blame Dems for shut down. We need bold leadership directed by moral fortitude not political cost benefit analysis. We were shut out of process. We will shut the illegitimate process down. Time to fight
Charlie you are wrong on this one. Democrats will have zero negotiation power - none. This is 100% a republican bill - no democratic input. If they need democrats to pass it, then democrats get a say in the bill, period. This is an easy sell to the American people. Schumer is not leading.
At best, this creates some sort of speed bump for fascism, but it doesn't change fascism's trajectory. At worst, it once again highlights democrats' seeming disdain for opposition unity. Shumer voted against the will of his constituents and the will of America, writ large. He & Fetterman are done.
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we are so fucked if this is your takeaway
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More poetry please
He needs to resign.
He has failed catastrophically.
That’s the point.
This will create instability and open the gates for even worse things to happen. It’ll be squarely on republicans.
Period.
Full stop.
This is the fight democrats and the United States needs.
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It's never any more complicated than that.
With Schumer voting yes, he's giving Trump the propaganda of it being "bi-partisan".
Let the GOP own it all.
The Dems only continue to show weakness
These aren't reasonable, rational people.
The Republicans and Schumer will follow Trump over the cliff.
Shut the government down until they come to their senses.
And if not, send them packing!
Schumer needs to go; we will make it happen.
Stop thinking like a Republican! They don't exist anymore.
Democrats and media need to explain to Americans what is really happening. @democrats.org @democrats-judiciary.house.gov @senatedems25.bsky.social
But. Schumer got *nothing*
He should’ve saved at least one or two important programs. HIV for infants or something.
Lose their jobs