Biden was bizarrely and disproportionately disliked by young people in 2021 and 2022, when you poll young people they do not list Gaza as a major issue, and of course it doesn’t make a hint of sense to oppose the Gaza war by voting for Trump. This just wasn’t what happened - ThreadSky

whstancil.bsky.social • 55 days ago

Biden was bizarrely and disproportionately disliked by young people in 2021 and 2022, when you poll young people they do not list Gaza as a major issue, and of course it doesn’t make a hint of sense to oppose the Gaza war by voting for Trump. This just wasn’t what happened

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Will still refuses to talk about the genocide of Palestinians. Without that you can't have a meaningful explanation of what happened in regards to the youth vote this election.

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trixienorton.bsky.social•55 days ago

I'm with you up until this. I've seen young people in my community risk their spots in colleges protesting the war against Palestinians. Sticking up for Netanyahu did lose us moral weight. Now, what do we do about Netanyahu going forward? I hope not more of the same.

travisatkins.bsky.social•55 days ago

who is “we”?

trixienorton.bsky.social•55 days ago

That's fair. But I am very curious about what people think America should do going forward.

matthewdownhour.bsky.social•55 days ago

Yeah this was a year before Israel started bombing Gaza - Biden reacted terribly but he had already bottomed out with youth https://nypost.com/2022/06/09/biden-approval-at-22-among-young-adults-24-among-hispanics-poll/

lessdismalsci.bsky.social•55 days ago

It would be great if Biden had been doing really well with zoomers and leftists before 10/7, so that there would be a plausible causal story wrt his support for Netanyahu being politically damaging, but as is looks like the marginal effect of enabling war crimes en masse was ~zero.

ravenonthill.bsky.social•55 days ago

I think the Afghan withdrawal did most of the work, at least that's what it looks like in the numbers. The United States, young people included, has a militarist streak.

cydeweys.bsky.social•55 days ago

That's an interesting way to phrase the beginning of that war. The inciting incident, of course, was October 7th, which was done by Hamas.

matthewdownhour.bsky.social•55 days ago

I don’t think the Oct 7 attacks had nearly as much impact on US youth public opinion as what followed

cydeweys.bsky.social•55 days ago

Well that itself is a huge part of the problem then.

tensegrity7.bsky.social•53 days ago

@cydeweys.bsky.social for context:
Netanyahu and successive Israeli gov'ts supported Hamas for decades to divide Palestinians and deter a Palestinian state.

https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
&
https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028
&
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
&
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-former-shin-bet-chief-we-warned-against-the-gaza-concept-1001461109

bartenderhemry.bsky.social•55 days ago

I feel like I was seeing a lot of seething biden hate among younger people really from the moment he clinched the nomination in 2020 and it never really went away

matthewdownhour.bsky.social•55 days ago

The ‘you don’t have to vote for Joe Biden’ TikTok chant still runs through my head periodically

uma3457.bsky.social•55 days ago

Now every stupid Jack ass claims that they’re expert on Politics
STFU

ryanmfrancis.bsky.social•55 days ago

I'm old enough to remember back in 2021 and 2022 when you were ripping the Biden administration for ignoring its weaknesses among young voters while focusing the mythical moderate independents.

gretasplace.bsky.social•55 days ago

I personally know of many people of all ages in several different parts of the country who said they were voting third party or not voting because both parties are the same and Gaza was their main example. Does it make sense to let Trump win? No! But they were NOT going to vote D, period.

travisatkins.bsky.social•55 days ago

selection bias.

gretasplace.bsky.social•27 days ago

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

travisatkins.bsky.social•27 days ago

did you really just send me an article by known Pedophile Ryan Grim? did you really think nobody would notice the article you sent was written by a actual irl pedophile?

gretasplace.bsky.social•27 days ago

I don't know about him. Does that make the yougov survey wrong?

travisatkins.bsky.social•27 days ago

yes, spreading pedophile-peddled propaganda makes it wrong. Sorry to be the one to have to teach you this.

gretasplace.bsky.social•55 days ago

Personal experience, including looking outside my bubble on social media.

travisatkins.bsky.social•55 days ago

exactly, selection bias.

gretasplace.bsky.social•55 days ago

I can name plenty of other things I think they did wrong, I think this is one they are choosing to ignore. But sure, young people who statistically have the lowest voter turnout and are usually less informed about foreign affairs, but responded to a poll, didn't list Gaza so it must not matter.

alecmcduffie.bsky.social•55 days ago

Its like this B.S. Biden ends the drone war, Ends the war in Afghan, and is still labeled the Hawk. Apparently supporting democracies from invasion makes you a Warmonger.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/jan/09/democrats-war-foreign-policy

torymediapitchbot.bsky.social•55 days ago

tbf financing and supporting Netanyahu to massacre Palestinian children for over a year and counting gets you labelled a Hawk. and a war criminal

tensegrity7.bsky.social•53 days ago

@alecmcduffie.bsky.social for context:
Netanyahu and successive Israeli gov'ts supported Hamas for decades to divide Palestinians and deter a Palestinian state.

https://www.972mag.com/netanyahu-hamas-october-7-adam-raz/
&
https://news.sky.com/video/benjamin-netanyahu-allowed-millions-of-dollars-to-go-to-hamas-in-cash-israeli-ambassador-says-13228028
&
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
&
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-former-shin-bet-chief-we-warned-against-the-gaza-concept-1001461109

chrismommsen.bsky.social•55 days ago

In contrast to bush and Obama (who both faced plenty of criticism in the Off years before their elections) Biden wasnt able to provide a strong defense of his record

cathasach.bsky.social•55 days ago

It's amazing how quickly you think polls matter when it let's you dismiss the impact of young people watching a genocide.

cathasach.bsky.social•55 days ago

And yes, they didn't vote Trump, it was low turn out. Can you stop being disingenuous for ten minutes.

ealluia.bsky.social•55 days ago

So far, it looks like 2024 was the second highest voter turnout election since 1980. Only 2020 was higher.

cathasach.bsky.social•55 days ago

Youth turnout.

ealluia.bsky.social•55 days ago

Youth turnout was strong if your baseline is anything other than the 2020 pandemic election. And our current information shows that there was a large swing among young voters towards Trump. This wasn't just young people staying home. There was a shift in how young people voted.

cathasach.bsky.social•55 days ago

You mean the last election the Dems won?

stork-sculpture.bsky.social•54 days ago

Biden was elected with the mandate of "bring 2019 back but keep all the pandemic social spending and programs going." He couldn't possibly succeed at this and was eventually punished.

whstancil.bsky.social•55 days ago

Biden and Democrats have been toxic among a lot of young people because attacking Biden and Democrats goes viral on social media, and social media is where many young people get their politics. The exact rationale floats around.

awcohen.bsky.social•55 days ago

I wonder whether it was resentment about COVID-era online education policies. A lot of kids felt cheated out of their high school and college experience.

rholmes99.bsky.social•55 days ago

Which attacks on social media hurt them most?

johncastiglione.bsky.social•55 days ago

The only 20-something I know closely was slagging Biden for being old in like late 2021. It was clearly internet driven and she could never really articulate why she was so negative about it.

ryanmfrancis.bsky.social•55 days ago

Yeah without the Internet no one would have thought Joe Biden was old.

psychopompgecko.bsky.social•54 days ago

Okay and how often did the same people make a huge push for Trump to drop out for being too old?

ryanmfrancis.bsky.social•54 days ago

Age is part of a long list of reasons he's unfit for office, but it's not as sexy as starting an insurrection, openly selling and profiting off the office, using foreign policy to attack political rivals, and talking like a dementia patient since 2016.

It's a never ending firehouse of bullshit.

chrismommsen.bsky.social•55 days ago

Bidens teams theory was people were sick of trump so it would be fine to have a president who hardly did any public appearances and essentially never spoke publicly about policy priorities but this also ended up being a very unpopular approach and they didn’t pivot when that became clear

cydeweys.bsky.social•55 days ago

In hindsight that line of attack was actually correct, but it wasn't clear until later.

goaskalis.bsky.social•55 days ago

Trump can talk and talk and not make any sense at all

ravenonthill.bsky.social•55 days ago

I think the Afghan withdrawal did most of the work, at least that's what it looks like in the numbers. The United States, young people included, has a militarist streak.

jcc333.bsky.social•55 days ago

Where’s my second 1200 dollarydoos though? For real life?

givemeadouble.bsky.social•55 days ago

Did they ask that question and then also repeatedly complain about inflation the last three years?

jcc333.bsky.social•55 days ago

Couldn’t say really - my zoomer friends aren’t really that sort. I just saw a Bluey-themed shitposting opportunity

givemeadouble.bsky.social•55 days ago

My bad!

deus01.bsky.social•55 days ago

You might get it after you are conscripted to serve in the US-Canada War

goaskalis.bsky.social•55 days ago

I think the fact that he really doesn't do irony and sarcasm plays a big part in that. He is genuine and they think he's a gullible idiot. He isn't, and I do think he tries to be moral, but the irony-pilled youngs can't grasp the difference

pjeanne97.bsky.social•55 days ago

I’m not sure it is bizarre that they didn’t go for a guy who was old enough to be their elderly grandfather.

travisatkins.bsky.social•55 days ago

so… Bernie? You’re talking about Bernie, right?

pjeanne97.bsky.social•55 days ago

What? Bernie is also old, yes.

mayorofslotrocks.bsky.social•55 days ago

Let's say Trump generates enthusiasm among young GOP through the MAGA brand. And Biden totally loses enthusiasm of young Dems through a combination of Biden's age and Gaza. Then Biden and Harris lose the youth vote to Trump even if nobody is consciously thnking "Trump is better on Gaza".

cryopunk.bsky.social•55 days ago

Do you honestly think a 25 year old is going to look at Joe Biden and the Democrats as the people who will get them into a house?

I don't even disagree that Gaza wasn't the top issue for young people, but I don't think liberals are ready to accept the alternative.

givemeadouble.bsky.social•55 days ago

LMAOOOO, the Dem candidate ran on a platform of specifically helping 1st time home buyers AND building 3 million new homes. But okay.

cryopunk.bsky.social•55 days ago

Literally every 25 year old laughed at that 25k tax credit shit.
Liberals need to understand how desperate and stupid young Americans are.
Simply having faith in multi-year projects that inevitably get watered down or ruined entirely isn't gonna cut it anymore.

deathbymeteor.bsky.social•55 days ago

Well, they've definitely proven how stupid they are.

givemeadouble.bsky.social•55 days ago

Yes!!! No progress is better than some progress!

cryopunk.bsky.social•55 days ago

When your "progress" is made null and void by inflation, stagnating wages, and the worst job market ever then it's just treading water at best.

That $25k is a bandaid on a festering wound, you don't even need to be an economist to feel that. Everyone felt it in their bones when they saw it.

givemeadouble.bsky.social•55 days ago

She literally said let’s cut red tape and build millions of new homes but notice you didn’t address that at all.

doomforpresident.bsky.social•55 days ago

You’re kinda proving Will’s point here. A key component of Harris’s platform was a major program to help first-time homebuyers. It was immediately buried under a mountain of Trump memes and nobody ever heard about it.

telson.bsky.social•54 days ago

It's definitely bizarre.

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