Somehow this has produced zero reflection either from Democrats or the media class about what makes something "presidency-ending," which is not the substantive severity of the scandal, but HOW OTHER ELITE POLITICAL ACTORS REACT AND TALK ABOUT IT - ThreadSky

whstancil.bsky.social • 3 days ago

Somehow this has produced zero reflection either from Democrats or the media class about what makes something "presidency-ending," which is not the substantive severity of the scandal, but HOW OTHER ELITE POLITICAL ACTORS REACT AND TALK ABOUT IT

Reposted from Mark Copelovitch

Presidency-ending scandals for any previous POTUS now happening daily

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douglasamrine.bsky.social•3 days ago

The Democrats desperately need a real leader. Some with impeccable integrity, someone who can formulate a STRATEGY, someone willing to risk everything to defeat the coup. They can’t even get their message lines together at the moment. Headless chickens spring to mind.

rayhoang.bsky.social•2 days ago

Quick answer is that it failed in 2016, and failed in 2024.

worldsmosthumble.bsky.social•3 days ago

Nixon wasn’t forced to resign because he had bombed and killed thousands of innocent villagers in rural Cambodia

He was forced to resign because of a late night robbery at an office building in Washington DC

johnnowicki.bsky.social•3 days ago

And again:

https://bsky.app/profile/johnnowicki.bsky.social/post/3lizo6vsnds2t

sinker1234.bsky.social•2 days ago

Right, but we're going to be spinning our wheels like this for four years. It's a new reality. The bar for egregious behavior has been raised. it sucks, but it's true...we've lost our soft power. That's the story

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•3 days ago

Really it's whether the president chooses to resign

seanzor.bsky.social•2 days ago

Honestly, this stuff seems so screamingly obvious that it makes the Democrat's failure to act correctly seem intentional. I've never been one to subscribe to the idea that 'both sides are the same', but I'm now genuinely questioning that belief.

Dems need to wake up and change strategies, fast.

eclectictastessa.bsky.social•1 day ago

I can think of three presidency-ending events that I'd love to see emulated here.

whstancil.bsky.social•3 days ago

By refusing to treat anything but consumer prices as politically relevant, Democrats are helping create a world in which that is true. Norms are just a social consensus and if you refuse to uphold that consensus - even just to sound savvy and pragmatic! - you are yourself eliminating the norm

fyodor.bsky.social•3 days ago

This is also not an unreasonable response from voters. They have stuff going on. They rely on their elected officials who do this full-time to provide them with context when things happen. When Democrats do nothing and treat is as normal it's completely reasonable for voters to respond accordingly.

hotel-putingrad.bsky.social•3 days ago

Trump would never resign out of shame because he has none. What would it take to get a handful of Republican reps and roughly 20 GOP Senators to turn on him? I'm afraid to ask.

santoroski.bsky.social•2 days ago

Yes, yes all Democrats fault.

brettwolfe.bsky.social•3 days ago

Agree, but if there are still people in this country who don’t understand what Trump is what he means for the constitutional order after 10 years of this stuff constantly, they’re never going to understand. They’re only going to understand what personally affects them.

rivki.bsky.social•2 days ago

I'm 100% seeing Dems calling out the illegality and unconstitutionality and sheer dangerousness of Musk/Doge. The media isn't amplifying it, but Dems are absolutely saying it. Maybe spend more time amplifying the messages you want to see instead of tearing down Dems?

snowmein.bsky.social•3 days ago

When the GOP loses they never think they were wrong. They just keep waging more battles. When Democrats lose they assume they were wrong and change course convincing Americans they don’t mean any of it.

whstancil.bsky.social•3 days ago

The corruption of US politics began with the "savvy" political class, who abandoned basic norms of government because they determined that saying "the president should be bound by law" sounds naive and saying "the president will be popular as long as gas is cheap" sounds smart and practical

armthewhales.bsky.social•3 days ago

It seems like the Democratic leadership has never even heard of the Overton window and has absolutely no idea how to shift it. None. Utter political incompetence.... :-(

chancegravy.bsky.social•2 days ago

The GOP doesn’t depend on their elected members to do that though, they have an entire media apparatus that is in lock step. Dems need to build that, though I’m not sure we can because we aren’t all bandwagon riding toadies without independent thoughts.

mercenary29.bsky.social•3 days ago

Dems need to attack media outlets directly and say they have done a bad job. One example is their failure to cover project 2025 and give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he did not want it. Say the media were willing to cover it that way because it helped with a horse race.

td12212.bsky.social•3 days ago

It used to be that norms and shame were the guard rails keeping presidents in line. Not so anymore. Even laws don't appear to be much of an impediment.
When their base is so delusional as to believe every word they emmit they get to lie and move on...the lie will be called out in press that does 2\

td12212.bsky.social•3 days ago

Not enter the right wing eco system...
This is how America dies.
Hitler was elected because the German people were in dire straits and he promised salvation.
Trump was elected because he TOLD the people they were in dire straits , even though they weren't, and he promised salvation.
Propaganda works

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