These groups get subtle push to annoyance activism over actually going after these bastards with humiliation. Its a way they detooth the people protesting the real things. And it's manipulated by the friggin oil companies.
Basic psyop. Like one layer deep. They did the same BS during the civil rights movement.
Funny thing is if you don't follow politics and goverment news, you will buy it hook like and sinker. Hell, they got accounts going around justifying it Right Now.
They are useful idiots at best, their disrespectfulness certainly won't be endearing themselves to those who veiw Stonehenge as a site of cultural and religious signifigance. Which are the people who would normally be natural allies because earth religions and environmentalism often go hand in hand.
And idc when ppl say it's "just powder" as if physical damage is the issue, it sends a message alright, nothing is sacred and the rights of other people don't matter to them that is loud and clear.
You saw it. Millions saw it. The news broadcasts it. They’ve seen it on the news many times before.
The recipients of marketing don’t have to like the delivery system for it to work. That’s what these campaigners understand.
I and millions of others saw it and thought "geez, what a stupid and pointless protest", and went about our day. Contrary to the old saw, there is, in fact, bad publicity.
Unless they are marketing that they are douchebags, I think they need to work on their messaging. Who thought “fucking up a historical landmark that showcases how we advanced science & technology while being respectful of our environmental footprint will help our environmental cause”?
Makes me laugh the reactions to JSO antics. In the UK we used to have the IRA, the ones who used to blow shit up and kneecap people. Now we have numpties spraying some paint on some stones that have stood there 1,000s of years and will probably stand 1,000s more long after we've wrecked everything.
Yeah the IRA. Great comparison.
The oil industry is laying waste to the world and the runaway greenhouse effect will turn everything now civilization to deserts. Last time the globe warmed this fast 90% of species were wiped out.
Because the cops and their private security will kick three kinds of shit out of you. As to why Stonehenge, to get people to pay attention. I don’t understand why people keep saying “Why X target?” It’s to get you to pay attention and it’s working.
I personally believe that this group is fund by the oil lobbyists, to have the public be more motivated to be against any environmental movement. By fostering a negative association to the idea of “Stop Oil”, any rational person would know how complicated to alter the global supply chain.
How many insects & other small critters do you think know to hold their breath as an orange corn flour fog descends upon them? Powdered corn is not ok to breathe in
Have you been to stonehenge? It's hardly a harbour for any kind of wildlife. I'm sure more insects were killed by your drive to work. There are bigger things to be enraged about.
And yet all this does is make me think about how hypocritical they are. I don’t have kids, my impact dies w/ me. I fill my car once a month b/c I don’t drive often. I use so little electricity that I can’t participate in electric company’s reduction incentive programs. I literally do more than them
So they vandalised a monument that's over 4000 years old, well before big oil companies were even a thing? Can someone explain to me the logic behind that?
Yes, I don't support them, but I do get their logic, which is they do these stunts for the visibility (if they spray painted someone's mansion or a refinery no one would ever know), whereas attacking beloved cultural stuff is bound to get them in the news.
I mean, considering how everyone hates climate activists I would imagine some fuck going on camera to say how traumatized they were by a bunch of climate activists glueing themselves to their driveway.
Well, if they attacked fossil fuel execs they would just "disappear" and be "missing persons." If they attack art apparently people talk about it (see this thread) and have some sort of debate about whether global warming is important in comparison to something else (in this case art).
Embarrassing a fossil fuel executive and causing them even the slightest inconvenience is far more of a black-bagging worthy crime than desecrating a holy site these days.
It sure seems like you were saying that you know. Are you saying now that you don't actually know about any abductions occurring -- that you made it up?
because the general publics view of just stop oil is theyre cartoon hippies from a 90s catoon who do silly shit thats completely pointless and nobody gives a fuck except artists and archaeoligists and the sorto f people who view just stop oil as stupid also hate archaeologists and artists anyhow
1. Becuase they would be shot my police or private security
2. It was cornflour with orange food coloring and it’s about as harmful to the environment and Stonehenge as a gentle breeze
I imagine it's to leverage publicity to keep the issue alive for the wider public. Fossil fuel executives will only shift because of irresistible public pressure. They aren't attacking Stonehenge, it'll wash off with the first rain. They're making a public gesture that hurts nobody.
I'm not sure if it's proven, but it's been theorized that they aren't actually activist but oil and car companies hiring people to go out and make the movement look bad. I'm not a big fan of deep state style theories like that but I could honestly believe it at this point
These people are really pissing me off. They are trying to destroy our history and culture. They are totally attacking the wrong places. Liberals and people who agree with them attend these spaces, not the ones they want to 'influence.'
are they actually destroying anything: not so far, it's all just publicity
idk that it's super effective in that regard but it's not "destroying history and culture", like they didn't cut down a famous ancient tree or anything
Yes but that's the issue, maybe they're not destroying anything, but they are perceived as such, and it pushes people away from their cause, not towards it.
pinning that on the incurious/uncaring people looking at them more than them
like if you're gonna make your entire opinion around climate change based on cornstarch going onto stonehenge then you weren't likely to really gaf in the first place
Surely you realize that there's plenty people who don't care about climate change very much one way or another; we need those people on our side too, even when they're just lukewarm about it and not fully convinced.
I've opposed big oil from the cities they are based in for 50+yrs. The fact that I'm angry & against these people is a true warning sign that they are on the wrong path. Violence begats violence. These are violent acts. I totally oppose them. There are better ways, productive ways, to oppose oil.
If they attacked fossil fuel execs or their homes I'd be donating to their legal fund right now. Currently I think we should string them up alongside those execs
They want to draw attention. Unfortunately, like petulant children, they don't care if it's positive or negative attention. To them it's all the same, and it's easier to generate outrage by attacking world heritage sites, then breaking into the compound of an oil magnate.
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Funny thing is if you don't follow politics and goverment news, you will buy it hook like and sinker. Hell, they got accounts going around justifying it Right Now.
This is just a slap in the face and discredits their argument to the point in wondering if it's some false flag bs by the oil companies
The recipients of marketing don’t have to like the delivery system for it to work. That’s what these campaigners understand.
The oil industry is laying waste to the world and the runaway greenhouse effect will turn everything now civilization to deserts. Last time the globe warmed this fast 90% of species were wiped out.
Also isn't this org known to be a psyop funded by an oil philanthropist?
smells so fishy that every time they do something it doesn’t inconvenience oil folks at all, and just looks foolish.
Like. Private mansion driveways and jets are right there. The highway did nothing wrong by existing.
2. It was cornflour with orange food coloring and it’s about as harmful to the environment and Stonehenge as a gentle breeze
It doesn't even have a fence.
2 - they’ve already said it can’t be brushed or washed off.
are they actually destroying anything: not so far, it's all just publicity
idk that it's super effective in that regard but it's not "destroying history and culture", like they didn't cut down a famous ancient tree or anything
like if you're gonna make your entire opinion around climate change based on cornstarch going onto stonehenge then you weren't likely to really gaf in the first place
anyone who shows up just to make declarations always does this
like if you can't do engagement, why are you running an unlocked-response account on socmed at all
Maybe, since it'll get attention, they should start cutting up babies?
it would be kinda fucked up if they threw corn flour on a baby but still an infinitesimally smaller harm than what oil companies have done.
Do you think all crimes should be punished by the death penalty?
And since these fucking morons are doing more harm than good to the cause then yeah my obvious hyperbole is serious.