Do I think for a moment that Trump actually BELIEVES Ukraine started the war 3yrs ago? Not for a second It really is beyond belief But the fact that he’s willing to say it, making himself look so ridiculous, is a clear indication of the extent to which he is bought, paid for & controlled by Putin - ThreadSky

fascinatorfun.bsky.social • 5 days ago

Do I think for a moment that Trump actually BELIEVES Ukraine started the war 3yrs ago?

Not for a second

It really is beyond belief

But the fact that he’s willing to say it, making himself look so ridiculous, is a clear indication of the extent to which he is bought, paid for & controlled by Putin

Reposted from Andrew Levi

The full Trump press conference from yesterday is worth watching from start to finish. Link below.

The claim which has made most headlines is that Ukraine “shouldn’t have started it” three years ago (i.e. the Russian invasion of February 2022). /2.

www.youtube.com/live/rYX4zxo...

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thedlee.bsky.social•5 days ago

Exactly. Well said.

mirandaspitteler.bsky.social•4 days ago

It may backfire on him, and help folk see the light, as the right like Zelencky's courage and standing up to a bully.

mirandaspitteler.bsky.social•4 days ago

*Zelensky!

ruthshaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

The bottom line is possession of the mineral wealth Ukraine has. Taking without paying. Without it USA won't be competitive in the EV race, or anything tech. China started buying up all minerals needed & have great stores; therefore future global dominance. THAT'S the deal.

wildswim.bsky.social•5 days ago

I suspect Trump DOES believe the last thing that came out of his mouth - the world is full of of people like that.

deejred.bsky.social•4 days ago

Brainwash the gullible that’s what he is doing!

petergray.bsky.social•5 days ago

He thinks he can say what he wants, and what suits his money making schemes and assume that the MAGA faithfull will believe whatever he says, and the GOP members in Congress and Senate will continue to be unable to find their spines and pretend they agree. And he's right, for now at least.

andrewprlevi.bsky.social•5 days ago

What he says is that Ukraine should have done a deal. It would have been an easy deal. If he had been president that deal would have been done. The reason there has been war is because the deal wasn’t done.

That’s what he “means” when he says “they [Ukraine] shouldn’t have ‘started it’”. /1.

andrewprlevi.bsky.social•5 days ago

To the extent his assertions make any sense, he’s saying Ukraine’s foolishness in not taking the appropriate action (doing the “deal”) allowed a war to start which wouldn’t otherwise have.

He’s also saying it takes the right US president (him) to intervene to make the necessary deal happen. /2.

andrewprlevi.bsky.social•5 days ago

(There’s a contradiction right there. But no matter).

And because Biden was “terrible” & “incompetent”, alongside alleged Ukrainian failings, the deal didn’t happen.

I don’t care much whether Trump believes all that (it matters somewhat, & I’m inclined to think he does believe this narrative). /3.

andrewprlevi.bsky.social•5 days ago

What’s more interesting is how weak & foolish his own claim makes him look to anyone -potentially including many millions of semi-reluctant Trump voters & non-voters, & some US senators & House representatives - casting a cursory glance at the account he’s propagating. /4.

andrewprlevi.bsky.social•5 days ago

He had 4 years to ensure delivery of the really easy deal he says was always available to prevent what he himself describes as a really horrible war.

By his own account, he failed.

Bigly.

The fact that no such deal was ever available is beside the point.

He says, emphatically, it was. /5. End

redevilrach.bsky.social•5 days ago

I can’t get over Elon’s kid telling Trump to shush his mouth 😬 it felt like a defining moment in how little agency he has.

alangw.bsky.social•4 days ago

US intelligence people must surely know all about Trump.

Will they act before they are removed?

Or have the agencies already been infiltrated?

andrewkerr9000.bsky.social•5 days ago

I think the simplest explanation is that Trump believes that the strong are entitled to exploit the weak.

Which in turn implies that the best way to deal with Trump is to project strength.

fascinatorfun.bsky.social•5 days ago

This is about revenge for Zelensky not lying (perverting the course of public justice) to support his attack on Biden in the run up to the previous election.

fayemontford.bsky.social•5 days ago

And he's never been told no 🤷🏼‍♀️

philg40.bsky.social•5 days ago

Yes, Trump is running a crime syndicate , not a government

judevickers.bsky.social•5 days ago

He wants Zelensky humiliated as he felt disrespected by him over Biden. This only serves to confirm to all Europeans that the US is no longer an ally.

simon-lucy.bsky.social•5 days ago

There's also the start of the claiming that Zelenskyy is corrupt all over again.

Democrats could republish all the Vindman call evidence and pattern bomb the media.

Trump wants his take.

fascinatorfun.bsky.social•5 days ago

I agree. The Democrat silence on this is deafening and shameful.

Furthermore, rather stupid given plenty of Republican voters support Ukraine not Russia.

https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3lijkpqviuk26

fascinatorfun.bsky.social•5 days ago

As @andrewlevy.bsky.social points out, Trump had 4 years to deliver the “very easy (fantasy) deal” he says Ukraine should have “agreed”. He failed. Trump looks ridiculous, venal and weak. Democrats should be loudly capitalising on it.

https://bsky.app/profile/andrewprlevi.bsky.social/post/3lijnhc42hk2h

fascinatorfun.bsky.social•5 days ago

As it is, in his revenge purge Trump wishes to oust Zelensky, and pander further to Trump.

Likely to have a boomerang effect. Zelensky approval already rising in Ukraine. Trump approval will descend in 🇺🇸 & 🌍 as the consequences of his his stupidity & incompetence lands

https://bsky.app/profile/ki-insights.bsky.social/post/3lijw3o33322f

horsenuts.bsky.social•5 days ago

I hope so, but to him, it's all about him, and his bank balance. He won't care what people will think about him.

If the serfs come after him with pitchforks and Second Amendment weaponry, he gets to declare a permanent state of emergency, and he's President For Life.

fascinatorfun.bsky.social•4 days ago

I urge people to avoid such fatalist thinking whilst staying awake to risk.

disenfranchised147.bsky.social•5 days ago

And desperate for the mineral rights and, bizarrely, reparations. It’s a protection racket. He cares not one jot for world peace except as a means to extract wealth. He is exactly what he appears, a third world, tinpot dictator except with nuclear warheads.

kimc473.bsky.social•5 days ago

Almost all of it was Russian talking point. Zelinsky's approval rating is above 50% in recent poles.

thepaulconnolly.bsky.social•5 days ago

Trump: So Vlad waddaya want in Ukraine?
Putin: Don remember the polaroids
Trump: Maybe you get Crimea
Putin: And audio
Trump: Plus the Donbas
Putin: And video
Trump: Plus everything you annexed
Putin: And testimony of all 5 women with you in Moscow hotel room that night
Trump: Vlad, you get Ukraine!

johnfinagin.bsky.social•4 days ago

As the Russian proverb says ...... allegedly...

elenaadaal.bsky.social•5 days ago

Putin: good, I am satisfied for now
Trump: wait! there is more: I can also give you the Baltics and Poland
Putin: yea, fine.
Trump: no, also Germany, France, Spain and England
Putin: if it floats your boat.
Trump: very much: I hate them all.

yrotitna.bsky.social•4 days ago

Best comment on this I’ve seen so far is “rapist says Ukraine shouldn’t have worn such a short skirt.”

lindywilliams3.bsky.social•4 days ago

Love you name!

yrotitna.bsky.social•4 days ago

Thanks

donnyharris.bsky.social•4 days ago

And Trump would know ...

ditotts.bsky.social•4 days ago

Zelenskyy, by prodding the fragile ego of Trump has forced him to show his cards which are that he is appearing to align with the Putin playbook.

That won’t play well with the more sensible members of his party.

Zelenskyy is much more than a great leader. He’s a great strategist.

uncivil-s.bsky.social•5 days ago

The even worse thing is, he probably did, for the few seconds he wanted to say it. (I mean, his version of “believing”, which isn’t the same as the rest of us).

kuntieplopkins.bsky.social•5 days ago

It's also for his fanbase

ruthshaw.bsky.social•4 days ago

No coincidence that all the tech people got behind Trump. They need the mineral wealth lying in Ukraine. China foresaw the issue long ago and bought up huge stocks of stuff needed for EV's/tech. That's the "deal." And WE all have awful choices now.

mikehypercube.bsky.social•4 days ago

Right. So Putin has basically done to Trump what he does to others, which is make him demonstrate his loyalty by making him openly subscribe to something everyone knows is untrue.

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