They're saying it's the new age of free speech on social media, but any semi critical post about meta or Zuck gets zero engagement. Or in the case of instagram stories an "error" when you post.
Let’s be practical here. Zuckerberg had to end Meta’s fact checking; otherwise, the Meta fact-checking engine would be burned out within the first week of Trump‘s new administration.
What if you think you there fact checking was bad AND think it’s a really bad sign that Meta wants to lean into disinformation? Like, I haven’t heard people defending their prior actions, they are shitting on them for openly getting worse on purpose, and giving the A-OK on harassing gay people.
To be clear on my feelings on Meta, I stopped using there shit in like 2018 because of how little they cared about their platforms being used to facilitate genocide. FB and IG have been toxic shitholes poisoning our culture for almost the entirety of their existences.
If your bigotry doesn't have profanities or blindingly obvious key words, #Facebook will allow it. Reporting seems to run it through the same filters, so is useless.
Let’s be clear. Yes the fact checking & moderation program was deeply flawed, and Zu¢k allowed himself to be worked relentlessly by the right. But his decision to completely throw up his arms and give up, is an auspicious sign that every oligarch in town is groveling at the feet of their new master.
The only thing I ever reported was a guy encouraging folks to just kill illegal immigrants because since they're undocumented, the police can't solve the murders anyway. FB determined that that didn't violate any community standards.
I have nothing good to say either. Plan to close all my Meta accounts 1/20/2025 just to let a$$ hole President elect and his suck up billionaires we won’t bow to the Oligarchs.
But now it allows active hostility and attack on anyone who pisses off any deplorable-- merely by existing. There are degrees of horrible. The new Trump-approved scheme is fancy horrible, with raisins in it.
Same. Facebook, along with youtube, have unleashed years of psychological terror against the people, by showing them content they resonate with, I.e showing us all the problems that are actually wrong, and then policing our reactions and punishing us for how we react to those problems.
They keep the problems in place for their own private gain, subvert expropriate and control the narrative to shift it in their favor, abuse you with their community standards which they have ironed into our legal framework, and then police how you react to the abuse.
This has kept people in a state
Of suspense, not knowing if the next thing they say will get them silenced for a month, with no explanation as to exactly why. Just a vague description of possible offenses...
This is 1,000% narcissistic abuse, keeping people in a state of suspense and always on their toes unable to be at peace
And it's causing a huge public health crisis because people feel as if they have no voice anymore. And when they do find a voice, they are attacked by relentless amounts of narrative enforcing trolls and so on multiple layers of trolls everything from basic agitators to AI driven exhausters.
All of it engineered to demoralize, hinder, and oppress the upward mobility of the working class proletariat to keep everyone in a state of discontent.
These people are disgusting, twisted and evil and they should be annihilated for what they have done to the people of this world.
Facebook was always pro-right wing with just a veneer of decency. Even back in 2010 or something they banned leftists when they were mass reported by the far right, but never ever reacted to the far right spreading hate until 2020
This is just rolling back the last 5 years, nothing more
Or their moderation. Okay, so like, yeah this change is pretty mask-off and definitely shit. But was Facebook enforcing standards against bigotry to begin with? I think anyone who has tried reporting hate on that platform will say no. I know I do.
No kidding. I got it for 2 sour dough recipes, copying and pasting the definition of 'hypocrite' directly from Websters dictionary, a meme of a flower growing through the pavement with a positive sediment to stay strong, reposting a meme that was on FB for 3 years without incident... pathetic...
There is no such thing as a good or objective fact checking program. It got to such a point on FB that I gave up bothering with political discussions due to constant interference and reduced my experience to just keeping in touch with friends and local issues.
Hard disagree. I worked as a 3rd party fact checker. Not perfect but did some real good. Tons of hatemail, sure, but the occasional genuine message of thanks. Saw firsthand that the checks moderated the most persuasive lies, and stopped things from being worse. Generated great news tips.
It also had huge impacts outside the US as well - not just the UK where I'm at, but loads of nonenglish speaking countries. Pumped a ton of money to journalists in places where funding was otherwise scarce.
A lot of the stuff that was "let slide" was due to meta's own policies about what could and couldn't be checked, including their choice not to allow checks on politicians.
I do also wanna make clear that I'm fully aware the program functioned entirely as a get out of jail free card for meta so that zuck could launder his reputation next time he got hauled in front of congress, but even despite that and the problems of the program itself, it did real good.
Being in the same business, I think people also underestimate the complexity of such work. The truth is that none of the big tech companies really want to pay what it actually costs to do this kind of work somewhat decently
I remember listening to a podcast on the costs of true community moderation. The piece said basically that having enough people to review and check everything would simply cost too much. Sites like Nextdoor has some one where community members are a part of it but it is severely flawed / biased.
It's weird because for the last 9 years I've been reporting literal Nazis to Facebook, like they post pictures of their toddler granddaughter in a swastika shirt Nazis, and FB is absolutely fine with it and it remains to this day.
You are literally describing the kind of "info-op" that every blueanon russiagater(you probably included) along with every lib media outlet spent years yelling and crying about, only bigger and with actual collusion.
1. It was an info-op, clear and simple. You yourself said that a bunch of money flowed into foreign countries to journalists. This is pretty much buying ads but with a veneer of journalistic rigor on top.
2. I didn't say you 100% were/are a russiagater. I said "probably". Feel free to correct me.
One would think the key feature of an info op is that someone secretly pays for propaganda, rather than an entirely transparent funding of independent journalists who maintain complete editorial control, including the ability to criticize the funders. guess NPR is an info op too, huh
It was evidently still in BETA. Why bother testing software before you release it when you can just use your customers? It still beat the alternative, which is zero fact checking
How many times have I been in Facebook jail you have no clue for the dumbest reasons of repeated hang Mike Pence and they put me in jail and I didn’t say it in the first place. It was the insurrectionist.
I have to wonder how much of it is going to be "AI" slop seeing as how that whole thing about generated fake profiles was basically given the "lol jk" treatment after people complained about it.
The amount of times I read "we didn't remove the content" was crazy, and the comment would be something like "Store bought meat is laced with vaccines".
And the propaganda/political value of a huge announcement saying it is ending, wholehearted endorsement of oligarchy and anti-democracy movement. Not a good look. No matter how good the program originally was.
When I heard the news, I shrugged as I thought fact checking had gone a long time ago... the number of fake news posts I reported & got a message they didn't go against 'community guidelines' indicated that
Unfortunately, it's as much the symbolism. At least there was a token attempt. Now not only is there nothing, but a public announcement.
Like the Supreme Court appointments, DJT / MAGA has unleashed damages that will take decades to repair, if they ever will.
That and ripping off content creators to model bots off of. It's disgusting how they steal intellectual property as if they have any right to it. It's a sad state of affairs.
anyone who tells you that the end of that program is some great loss does not know what they’re talking about and/or defers to middle of the road grifters who saw the chance to make a bunch of money by becoming milquetoast both sides “fact checkers” while letting lots of terrible stuff slide
I laid this on the show today. This shit sucked ass before and now it will suck ass more. This isn't even just a political, it's Mark Zuckerberg aggressively shoving the toilet over in the kitchen as it overflows
It goes beyond that. I don’t think anyone even cares about the fact checking. The rest of his announcement is the problem. The free speech bullshit is all about opening fb up to a firehouse of hate just like twitter.
The dead internet vibe was really strong. Looking at the main feed, it was all uncanny valley group content from groups I didn’t follow and almost never content from friends. Your comparison to a dead mall full of scammy/weird stuff to buy is accurate. It reminds me of Usenet suffocating in spam.
Woke used as a pejorative is explicitly an anti-Black slur. It is derived from the Black slang phrase, "Stay woke". It means white society will try to misinform you, so it is important to stay vigilant.
They have taken that and distilled it into woke, which is just their way of saying the n-word.
it always fucks my mind to be reminded people don't remember this
i wonder if most people vomiting "fuck woke" garbage propaganda have the braincells left to even recognize it, or if it's all just racism internalized. "gays? fuck 'em, throw em in with all them black people i hate too"
I think it's a black op aimed at getting societyto move on from hyperconsumption to a more sustainable model. Or maybe it's not the intention of billionaire shitfuckery, but likely the result.
More anecdotal evidence supporting my theory that the stock market is mostly a sham now: Meta's stock price is up 4% after the CEO announced he's inspired by X, which has lost 50-75% of its value since Musk took over.
"The culture has gone too woke, and as a result we are correcting for it" is such a wild thing for an ad executive to say. Buddy, the only correction here is putting you on the surface of the sub.
#Suckerberg is kissing the Ring. Who cares if it’s better or worse? He’s a #Trumpstan and the orange shit gibbon was praising #Meta from his document storage facility…
I had hard-core and explicit porn in my FB banner going across my opening page. I tried for 2 years to get it to stop. What child protections does Zuck have on that site? He doesn't care one iota what people see, read or type -- all he cares about is the advertising and clicks.
Absolutely! Yeah I got the rear end of the deal! If they had only waited until now I would have never been suspended! Maybe I'll go back and do a do-over and then say, nanny nanny neener! Stick my tongue out and walk away with my head held high! Linda
I did the
Community Notes for X
It was a joke!
The MAGAS took control of it and got dems like me removed. Kept saying I was Lying when trying to disprove tRumps lies that were posted. And if course people like trying to be honest we're removed
To me, Facebook has been ‘evil’ since before the 2016 election they tried to influence. That was a massive warning sign about billionaires want to influence elections to favor their beliefs. I never knew Zuck was a NAZI, his parents must be proud.
I have nothing good to say about meta at all.....it is a cesspool of hate and bullying, just like X. Left all of it behind. Hope the little man-child zuck goes bankrupt
Totally...I reported several vile bits of misogyny over the years only to be told no guidelines had been broken! I quit Instagram and Threads last year and FB went immediately after he gave $1mil to the inauguration fund.
Billionaires are not our friends it seems!!!
Yup. I freaked out at the announcement, but once I started thinking about it, Meta gave up that effort years ago. They briefly had a strong system that seemed to be effective in the runup to the 2020 election, but then turned it off a month prior to November. Guess Zuck got tired of hearing it.
I wasn't even aware there was a fact checker option in Facebook, I have never seen a post affected by a fact checking system, I see constant pseudoscience posts on Facebook and never once did it ever "fact check" a post
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We can celebrate that the old thing is gone while acknowledging that its replacement will almost definitely be worse.
But "Community Notes" is sort of like the opposite of that.
But now it allows active hostility and attack on anyone who pisses off any deplorable-- merely by existing. There are degrees of horrible. The new Trump-approved scheme is fancy horrible, with raisins in it.
This has kept people in a state
This is 1,000% narcissistic abuse, keeping people in a state of suspense and always on their toes unable to be at peace
These people are disgusting, twisted and evil and they should be annihilated for what they have done to the people of this world.
This is just rolling back the last 5 years, nothing more
They do not deserve the protection of being "journalist"...as they argued and then agreed to fact check...to avoid regulation.
But a wholesale capitulation to Combover Caligula is worse.
2. I didn't say you 100% were/are a russiagater. I said "probably". Feel free to correct me.
News sites pages sometimes squeak in but rarely.
Is this just a thing where they’ll monitor comments even less because that’s a different situation.
Like the Supreme Court appointments, DJT / MAGA has unleashed damages that will take decades to repair, if they ever will.
It's all propaganda.
I mean, what's really gonna be different? Not much!
They have taken that and distilled it into woke, which is just their way of saying the n-word.
Very much a shitty, racist expression.
i wonder if most people vomiting "fuck woke" garbage propaganda have the braincells left to even recognize it, or if it's all just racism internalized. "gays? fuck 'em, throw em in with all them black people i hate too"
That's the quote right there
Community Notes for X
It was a joke!
The MAGAS took control of it and got dems like me removed. Kept saying I was Lying when trying to disprove tRumps lies that were posted. And if course people like trying to be honest we're removed
Billionaires are not our friends it seems!!!
I deleted my account.
Anything about the orange nazi gets removed now.
It's not a lack of trying, it's actively trying to get worse now.