“Tesla has been named the "deadliest" car brand after an analysis of vehicle fatality rates determined the brand had the highest number of fatal crashes per mile.”
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Feels like an odd article, but I'd love to see a breakdown of this per-country. Certainly in the UK, full-self drive is not legalised, but it is in the US, so how is that number realised?
For context, I don't own a Tesla, so have no feels either way.
Yeah, the acceleration is night and day for me, I've got a KIA EV-9, my last vehicle was a Nissan X-Trail. You put your foot down in the XTrail and it takes ages for it figure out you want to go, no sport gearbox there. The EV, it's direct power at the motor and the launch is ridiculously rapid!
I may have got this calculation wrong but at an average of 10km/annum you’d have to drive for around 300yr to become the first Tesla fatality. And around 300yr and 1second to be the first Kia death. (Next most lethal brand).
Also the article actually blames driver idiocy rather than car safety.
What a load of crap. We have a Model 3 and I've spoken with other owners over the past couple years. One attributed his wife being alive to the solid midsection chassis of the car. Now, there are a lot of Teslas on the road and an epidemic of distracted drivers- in every type of vehicle.
Sorry Mike, you've allowed your (totally understandable) hate for Elon Musk to distort reality. You're posting misinformation to get clicks. Tesla cars are the safest on the planet.
Not surprising given that amongst other regular flakes, it has a habit of stopping abruptly and beyond the control of the driver in extreme situations, such as when doing 80mph on the freeway.
You don't need to make up stuff to hate the guy. Spacex is an absolute leader in its market and tesla used to. His bullshit politics and crazy destruction of twitter are more than enough to dislike him. Let's not lose sight of objective reasoning for partisan reasons.
Ah come on, he has absolutely ruined Tesla’s reputation. The cars are still the same outdated salon style from 10 years ago or those fugly Batman villain ridiculous truck things.
Tesla reputation was nonexistent before he took over, and so were sales. OF COURSE his bullshit politics has had a cost (for once, myself decided not to buy a tesla just when he bought twitter, and was about to). There will be an effect in 2024. But does this look like failure to you?
That must be why the went from selling 53k/year in 2017 to 1.3M/y in 2023. AGAIN, plenty to criticize musk for. Let's not make up nonexistent reasons: the cost of doing so is not being taken seriously.
Heavily subbed to make and sell, they were 1st to executive mass market but models are old , tired cost a fortune to run and competition especially from China is hurting them badly - I’ve been in several and I think they are shit
Subsidized like every other electric producer. And chinese competition is hurting EVERYONE: ser VW closing down historical plants in DE, stellantis in IT &UK, Northvolt failing, etc.
Just wondering why. Could it be that they're quiet, so people step out in front of them not realising the car is there? Speaking as a cyclist and I get a lot of this.
PS *not* defending the #MuskRat!!
If we’re referring to “how the drivers of each brand operate on the road” are you saying Tesla (and Kia) drivers more likely to kill themselves? Crashes happen, the unfocused/drunk driver hits you. More likely to die if your car protects you less surely? That’s why we have safety features.
There’s a difference between measuring how many (fatal) accidents brands are in and measuring safety performance of course. So is the article actually accusing Tesla drivers of being drunk, stoned, bad drivers? 👀
We're referring to bullshit claims by CEOs encouraging bad behaviours, as with his movie lot gimmick recently. That skews the stats. It's not a difficult argument to understand, tho feel free to be obtuse.
Came here to say this. Hate Musk and his products but with Kia coming a close second, these stats are clearly down to the drivers. (Kia driver here. 50 years of driving. I don’t have accidents.)
If you buy a MacLaren super car, they will take you out for a track day. The average user shouldn’t be stuck in a car that can do 0-60 at super car speeds.
The interesting thing in the article is it's the 'type of people' buying them more-so than the safety rating of the vehicle itself, as most Teslas have very high test ratings. Assuming true, then objectively speaking, if Tesla went away entirely, the same driver group would still have highest rates
I’m not a Tesla owner nor a fan of Musk but this sort of headline says more about the headline writer than the article content. Fatalities at 5.6 per billion miles cf the nearest rival at 5.5/bn miles scarcely justify the header. Especially as the analysts blame driver actions rather than the cars.
For real; if anyone is surprised that Elon/Tesla couldn't care less about safety, they haven't been paying attention. It's always profits over people and it will never change.
It is clear from many of these comments that the commenters have never driven a Tesla. I am not a Musk fan at all, but my Tesla is the best car I have ever driven. It is “dangerous” primarily because it is insanely powerful, which invites aggressive driving. (And also because people abuse the FSD.)
Older people may recognise a similar behavioural issue that some Volvo drivers suffered from in years gone by. Tell someone their car is super safe and they think they are invincible. Tesla build quality is appalling. Panel gap etc
That’s the beauty of America. Now thst we have 45 coming back in as 47, you won’t have 46 and his cackling assistant trying to force you to buy one. I have one. By choice. One of 7 cars I have. Does what it is designed to do most excellently. Just like my jeeps, Porsches and ford trucks.
Oh, you mean the guy the liberal left is hating now because he was picked by 47 but who previously they previously could’ve get in line fast enough to lick his boots. Got it.
Now Trump will allow Elon Musk to run the government into the ground. He doesn’t know how government works. He’s a chaos agent. He’s the illegal alien ruining the country.
Gosh, almost like you shouldn’t become the world’s richest man and owner of a puppet, dementia-riddled president by unleashing a fleet of murderous vehicles into society.
I went in a Tesla for the first time. Uber. It has a huge screen to distract the driver and a 'nightvision' style display showing oncoming cars and people. I'm literally screaming turn that thing off and look out the fucking window! Technology fails.
No. It is literally all you as a failure. I don’t look at my Tesla display any more often than I look at the gauges on my 6 other vehicles whilst driving them.
A friend has a Tesla. He is a dreadful driver - takes too many risks and drives too fast. Whenever we go somewhere together, I always offer to take my car.
Tesla is dangerous. Even in the UK where the full suite of driver aids are not enabled (yet, and they still want almost £7k for the option!).
See phantom breaking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsVOc8U-xUs
The article is at pains to point out that driver behaviour is the issue rather than inherently unsafe vehicles, which confirms my observation that Teslas are driven by more dickheads than other models.
a lot of it is on Teflon Trusk himself for telling them that full self driving mode was coming/here/soon - willing idiots prepared to risk their and others lives on the say of a Billionaire, who like #Felon47 can't be held accountable.
"Without accountability there is no democracy" - Cathcart, M
It'd be easy to say that, but no, the number of the fatal accidents while using autopilot or FSD is negligible percentage-wise within the total # of fatal Tesla accidents. Are far as I can surmise from this and other articles, it a seems to be just driver behavior.
But how does that explain Kia at No. 2 only one-tenth of a percent behind.? Maybe it’s driver age that’s the factor, or that most Tesla miles are driven in urban areas compared to other cars?
New models don't have the indicators on stalks from the steering column. They're buttons on the wheel. So indicating while the wheel is turned (leaving a roundabout, for example) requires the driver to take their eyes off the road to find the indicator button. Or just not bother indicating.
I mean that’s 100% right and you can chalk that up to people believing fsd or auto pilot will handle the car. Makes sense, but Kia isn’t far behind them. Really? I never thought of Kia drivers as being bad drivers. I don’t know how to interpret the whole data set now.
I have a feeling that people with get a wrong message from the statement that "small cars are the most dangerous cars" and the goal will be to make all cars large, instead of removing large cars from the equation. Small cars are dangerous because they crash with large cars/trucks.
I have a feeling these hit articles are written by people funded by big oil.
"NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration):
Tesla models, such as the Model 3, Model S, Model X, and Model Y, consistently receive 5-star ratings in all categories."
Teslas have terrible driver monitoring systems. The key to autonomous driving is a good camera based driver monitoring system that can keep drivers paying attention to be ready to take over when required. Until they invest in this there will always be drivers that abuse FSD and more accidents.
There’s no analysis of who gets killed. If it’s cyclists, pedestrians or occupants of other cars, safety of the marque in question will not be a factor. A vehicle perceived to be safe might even encourage reckless driving and cause more fatalities overall
A fair amount of this risk is more to do with driver who chooses a Tesla than the characteristics of the vehicle itself.
Thinking of the people I know who drive a Tesla - half of them I wouldn't get in a car with them behind the wheel, irrespective of the make, they're just the worst of drivers.
Did any of you deriding the man and cars otherness the article or if you did, actually comprehend it? The article VERY CLEARLY states it is not any fault of the vehicle but it is DRIVER BEHAVIOR. The cars themselves are at the very top of the safest cars on the road for crash safety. .
Where’s Ralph Nader when we need him? When I was in 6th grade in metro Detroit, a class mate did a report trying to refute “Unsafe At Any Speed”. His dad was an auto engineer. I was impressed with his commitment.
I don’t like sensationalist titles like this - “Researchers at iSeeCars do not attribute the fatality rates to the vehicles sold by each brand in and of themselves, but more to consumer behavior and how customers of each brand operate on the road.” It’s not an issue with Tesla’s design but drivers.
One of my friends drives a Tesla and lets me use it sometimes to drive him to real estate sites.
What I have never gotten used to is the fact that you never have to really use the brakes. You take your foot off the "gas" pedal, and it slows to a crawl.
Poor driver behavior is a result of bad drivers. Period. A good driver in a driver assisted car pays attention and doesn’t crash. That’s the facts slapping your statement in the mouth.
Musk hasn’t been promising “driver assistance”. He’s been overselling “Full Self Driving” for a decade. Read the article. Musk has conditioned Tesla drivers to over rely on FSD.
A good driver is trained. Passing a test and gaining road experience is hit and miss. Advanced drivers or professionals, who attend courses and extra lessons, are streets ahead. Time to start teaching younger and more complex road tests. Look at the Finnish stats.
Wrong. It is the driver's responsibility. If you can't safely drive the car, that's all on you. If you get a car with high performance and can't handle it, it's not the car's fault. That's like saying guns kill people or the fork made you fat.
The road tests haven’t kept up with the advancements and technologies of the road cars. Your oversimplification and shit analogies demonstrate you’re just an opinionated car owner and nothing more.
Probably says more about their American drivers than the actual car?
I drive a Tesla: yes they are witheringly quick & no I’m most certainly not a musk fanboy, he’s a parasite who really doesn’t have much to do with Tesla.
"BOMBSHELL" implies some kind of surprise or revelatory information. Everyone with a pulse already knew those pieces of shit shouldn't be allowed on public roads.
I mean, my anecdotal observation is that I seem to see a disproportionate number of Tesla drivers doing stupid stuff on the roads. In my mind, Tesla drivers have replaced Audi drivers, who previously replaced BMW drivers at the pinnacle of the pyramid of stupid.
So as well as looking like a twot driving around in some of the ugliest vehicles known to man you are at an increased danger of death. Way to go Musktwat.
Yes it’s true… but to be fair, it’s the development of electric vehicles and the acceleration. These cars accelerate like super cars. New technology means we’ll soon see cars capable of 0-60mph in under a second. The average road user isn’t trained to drive an F1 car.
lol probably true. That’s probably true. The sudden automatic braking caused my cousin to get rear-ended in a car crash. It took nearly two months to get it fixed. This is UAE though.
"Most of these vehicles received excellent safety ratings, performing well in crash tests at the IIHS and NHTSA, so it's not a vehicle design issue. The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities."
You are so wrong because 1) you can’t or won’t read and comprehend the article and two don’t know shit about Tesla vehicles. Let me ‘splain something to you real slow like so your Biden brain can take it in. TESLA VEHICLES HAVE MANUAL DOOR RELEASES. JUST. PULL. THE. HANDLE
And this doesn’t even take into account all those who will die from lack of healthcare as a result of the US election that Musk just bought with Tesla money.
I wonder about the affect on innocent drivers in any collision? Perhaps driving smaller, lighter vehicles. Do these statistics include this, it is not obvious to me.
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The utter dunderheid behind the wheel...liable to anything at anytime without warning.
For context, I don't own a Tesla, so have no feels either way.
If you factor in the drivers that cannot handle the rapid acceleration, or are just plain stupid, it's not surprising.
Also the article actually blames driver idiocy rather than car safety.
Perhaps Europe can still exert pressure iro cars imported to our markets.
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I despise Musk with a passion, but this headline is just whory click-baiting.
How does it compare to the Pinto
Sure a quick acceleration is useful, but that sounds so stupid.
Even if you can handle it…you end up using your brakes to compensate
It’s so stupid
Jeeze, Leon!
Not.
PS *not* defending the #MuskRat!!
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Read this original article
https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024
Meaning the hate on Musk is directed to an irresponsible owner whose statements would disqualify him from running any other car company.
That's exactly why I bought one.
Good example of why context matters.
This myth has been debunked many times and no statistic supports the picture of a burning Tesla. EVs are less likely to catch fire than ICE cars.
For real; if anyone is surprised that Elon/Tesla couldn't care less about safety, they haven't been paying attention. It's always profits over people and it will never change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksWGI3hdgwY
The MY and M3 both received a 5 star Euro NCAP rating. The highest rating possible.
It's the drivers, not the car.
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But I guess I don’t make the rules for society.
And the douchebag owners.
See phantom breaking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsVOc8U-xUs
I would have sworn they're sold over there.
"Without accountability there is no democracy" - Cathcart, M
For clarity I'm talking about acceleration, rather than top speed.
But I concur, anybody who wants to buy such a car is an intrinsically a bad driver and therefore a dangerous twat.
Thanks to the world’s richest narcissist.
"NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration):
Tesla models, such as the Model 3, Model S, Model X, and Model Y, consistently receive 5-star ratings in all categories."
#6'Elon
Thinking of the people I know who drive a Tesla - half of them I wouldn't get in a car with them behind the wheel, irrespective of the make, they're just the worst of drivers.
Real life observation confirms this 😉.
That and Moose.
There's a lot of them in the UK...
A Royal Moose.
It owns its own country estate.
What I have never gotten used to is the fact that you never have to really use the brakes. You take your foot off the "gas" pedal, and it slows to a crawl.
How many have died not relying on brakes...?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/business/tesla-fsd-8-car-crash/index.html
I drive a Tesla: yes they are witheringly quick & no I’m most certainly not a musk fanboy, he’s a parasite who really doesn’t have much to do with Tesla.
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