Biden's policy towards Israel and Palestine was terrible. Trump's is even worse. www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/... - ThreadSky

georgemonbiot.bsky.social • 33 days ago

Biden's policy towards Israel and Palestine was terrible. Trump's is even worse.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/26/ethnic-cleansing-feared-as-trump-asks-jordan-egypt-to-take-gaza-residents

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miamoe.bsky.social•31 days ago

Watch out I just said the same thing and I had about a dozen trolls jump my ass.

teisnet.bsky.social•33 days ago

And some Muslim voters turned to Trump because of Gaza

https://nypost.com/2024/11/11/us-news/donald-trump-beat-kamala-harris-with-muslim-voters-over-gaza-exit-poll/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

lllnl.bsky.social•33 days ago

Michigan lost due to Muslims.

necessaryevil.bsky.social•33 days ago

Methinks they didn’t know what they were voting for.

lllnl.bsky.social•33 days ago

This group is the Achilles heel to Democracy.

teisnet.bsky.social•33 days ago

Only 21% of US Muslims voted for Trump. 53% of Muslims voted for Jill Stein who is democratic.
So in the context of this thread, that comment is fairly inaccurate.

lllnl.bsky.social•33 days ago

When they (those voted for Jill Stein) knew there was no chance Jill would win. Then they destroyed any peace opportunity in Gaza. Simple as that. This has been decided by American electoral system, not by them.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•31 days ago

Stein isn't democratic - she's a fascist shill who took money from Trump's backers to divert the anti-fascist vote. She's as responsible for the coming ethnic cleansing of Palestine as the idiots who voted for her.

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yes they voted for Democratic Jill Stein having dinner with Putin.

mmbren.bsky.social•33 days ago

With its unconditional support over many decades, the US created the monster that Israel has become. And it is about to get even worse.

hoojo.bsky.social•33 days ago

Ominous signs with Trumps lifting Bidens temporary halt on 2 000 ton bombs & authorising fighter jets, plus Jared Kushners deals with Saudi Arabia, plus Israel broke the ceasefire agreement in Gaza yesterday

annabusybee.bsky.social•33 days ago

He recently said Gaza would be an ideal location for real estate developers and their rich clients. Condo's at the beach, luxury resorts, golf courses. The people living there are just a minor inconvenience for him. Just get rid of them and start making profits. 😡

mjay2000.bsky.social•33 days ago

As if the Palestinians are just going to roll over he’s hoping.

artyjane1.bsky.social•33 days ago

If this isn't fascism, racism, ethnic cleansing, genocide then it's hard to imagine what is?

bartd.bsky.social•33 days ago

...and so many left progressives refused to vote for Biden...completely missing the calculus

drewc.bsky.social•33 days ago

Is your brain as mushy as Biden’s? He wasn’t on the ballot, moron.

meidasnemo.bsky.social•33 days ago

Of course , We know it would be worse for Palestine. I kept seeing protests at the Kamala rallies that I attended that were stupidly for the orange anus face
People are ridiculous

juditty.bsky.social•33 days ago

Trump is eyeing up the real estate opportunities, isn’t he?

justlee.bsky.social•33 days ago

I fear it's only the presentation and timescales that differ. Netanyahu's end goal hasn't changed. The Democrats may have pulled sadder faces, and perhaps applied some token sanctions, but the weapons and support would have kept flowing. No mainstream US politician is willing to stop the war crimes.

mjay2000.bsky.social•33 days ago

Didn’t he say it was prime real estate. I’m sure I read somewhere that Jared Kushner was interested in developing the area. Maybe in private eye?

todoscojones.bsky.social•33 days ago

Go figure.

marshacoupe.bsky.social•30 days ago

A man who is attempting to 'cleanse' America of women, the disabled, poor, and elderly by robbing us of healthcare, will not think twice about driving 2-million from their homeland.

peterjbangert.bsky.social•33 days ago

"Temporary or long-term".

Well, that just about covers it.

markzecwrites.bsky.social•33 days ago

Difficult to imagine that a blatantly white-supremacist president is going to be hostile to a non-white group of people.

jlillyreed.bsky.social•33 days ago

Who could have seen this coming??? If only more people voted for Jill Stein!

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

Assume that's a joke?

etaaffe.bsky.social•32 days ago

Jared Kushner just doubled is investments in Israeli settler property.

juanwild.bsky.social•32 days ago

Trump is most pro-Israel president in history..
taken over million dollars from AIPAC..
took 200 million from richest person in Israel, Miriam Adelson..
she wants Israel to annex West Bank..
a good bet would be that Trump will attack Iran before he leaves office..

leedsjohnlufc.bsky.social•29 days ago

How is ethnic clensing worse than mass slaughter?

Biden and Harries have been worse, and it will be a matter of time to judge how bad Trump will be!

davidrobbo.bsky.social•33 days ago

Biden's led to Trump's

maursoup.bsky.social•32 days ago

No surprise there

chris-mcgarry.bsky.social•33 days ago

Zero empathy = psychopathy
Expecting Trump to empathise is the same as expecting a blind man to see.

nomoretrolls.bsky.social•33 days ago

This is even worse than expected.💔

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

It's exactly what everyone warning third party voters against the Stein scam expected.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/muslim-american-support-trump/680449/

nomoretrolls.bsky.social•30 days ago

💔

bencrang.bsky.social•33 days ago

He's diabolical. Crimes against humanity on an enormous scale. How can the world continue to stand by while the Palestinians suffer crime after crime after crime?

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•31 days ago

Same reason they ignore crimes against humanity in Sudan & stood around handwringing while 1/4 of Mariupol's population were massacred by Russian army. Too many genocides.

We need to understand how battered most ordinary people are by climate breakdown, predatory capitalism & fascist resurgence.

wasimgaza.bsky.social•30 days ago

@bencrang.bsky.social
Plz help me plz i need you really plz 😭😭🫂

wasimgaza.bsky.social•33 days ago

Hello ben , I am Waseem. Do you know what our situation is in Gaza? We are in a very difficult situation. I would like to ask you for help for my family. It's so cold we have to buy a new tent. Help us and donate so we can heat and buy a tent.🙏🫂

ruth-on-a-roll.bsky.social•33 days ago

Was there ever any doubt he was going to side with Israel? They have all the power and money.

swilly13.bsky.social•33 days ago

They both result in ethnic cleansing. How are they different?

wqkone.bsky.social•33 days ago

Biden failed to oppose Netanyahu.
Trump is enabling him.
So yes there is a difference.

swilly13.bsky.social•32 days ago

Whats the result of failing to oppose something? Oh yeah, you enable it.

swilly13.bsky.social•32 days ago

And what’s not “enabling” about supplying the bombs?

wqkone.bsky.social•32 days ago

You mean like the 2000 pounds bombs?
We can all agree that Biden did too little, too late and, as George Monbiot said, was terrible.
But don’t imagine it can’t or won’t get worse.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/white-house-makes-2000-pound-bombs-available-israel-undoing-bidens-pause-2025-01-25/

wqkone.bsky.social•32 days ago

If you think that the guy behind the muslim ban, the move of the US embassy and whose new DOD secretary chanted « Kill all muslims »can’t make this worse, let’s revisit in a few months.
Good luck with your strategy of equating the Democrats and Trump, it is clearly not « enabling » the massacres btw

wqkone.bsky.social•30 days ago

That will help and won’t make things worse for Palestinian. https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-cancels-sanctions-far-right-israeli-settlers-occupied-west-bank-2025-01-21/

drewc.bsky.social•33 days ago

No there isn’t.

wqkone.bsky.social•32 days ago

Thank you for tour deep insights.
I am quite disappointed in you for enabling the current massacres though, as you clearly failed to oppose them.

mybookstand.bsky.social•32 days ago

https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_fatally_shoot_2_year_old_palestinian_girl_in_the_head_near_jenin

theodonnell.bsky.social•33 days ago

Biden or Trump. It's the USA doing this.

canuckinct.bsky.social•32 days ago

How are the Michigans who protested voted Bidens Gaza policy, or didn’t vote, feeling today.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

Like all scam victims who didn't listen to folk warning them they were being scammed: still in denial stage.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/muslim-american-support-trump/680449/

inkdaddyash.bsky.social•32 days ago

Probably still like humans with a heart.

And you?

farawaywatcher.bsky.social•33 days ago

Netanyahu wants to obliterate the Palestinians and deny them their own State. He wants to populate the area with Israelis and Trump will help him as long as there is a deal for him - development. Genocide ethic cleansing fascism and revolting greed all rolled in to one disastrous event.

savlona.bsky.social•33 days ago

Not only is it ethnic cleansing and patently wrong, he's not offering to welcome refugees to the US either. Everything is somebody else's problem as far as he is concerned.

eliotclarke.bsky.social•33 days ago

The most surprising thing about this is that people are surprised

skinneroldham.bsky.social•33 days ago

We might not be surprised but we can still be shocked.

holistichealing.bsky.social•33 days ago

As is our present, Zionist leader of the UK government, supporting genocide and arresting and imprisoning individuals who protest against it.

lorihjschaffer.bsky.social•31 days ago

I hope those who wouldn't support Biden's cease fire and pushed "river to sea" BS and protest voted for Trump, didn't vote, or voted 3rd party because of Gaza are happy. They reaped what they sowed. Congratulations! Good job! Enjoy! (Sarcasm)

pashers58.bsky.social•33 days ago

Sub-optimal more like, I despair.

kalmakarin.bsky.social•33 days ago

Is Saudi Arabia allowing this?

mixitupdeedee62.bsky.social•33 days ago

You think Biden wasn't going to do the same? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

coachtim.bsky.social•33 days ago

No, he wasn't. Stop playing the "both sides" bull shit.

mixitupdeedee62.bsky.social•33 days ago

Hmmm. So tell me, why did he keep sending $$$BILLIONS in weapons to USrael? Tell me why he didn't sanction Ben Gvir, Smotrich et al? It's not "playing the 'both sides' bullshit" when it is, in fact, BOTH FUCKING GENOCIDAL COLONIAL IMPERIALIST SIDES! 🤡

coachtim.bsky.social•33 days ago

He paused the transfer of 2,000 lb bombs, which was a start. Trump has lifted that pause. He told Bibi to "finish the job". His SiL wants to build beachfront condos in Gaza.

So, how the fkuc did you think trump would be better?

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

So let’s play this out. What would happen if the US did not arm Israel? I think we know the answer. This is not an easy bake solution.

mixitupdeedee62.bsky.social•33 days ago

What would happen if UK actually lived up to it's RESPONSIBILITY for and to Palestine/Palestinians? What if UK re-designated Likud et al as 'terrorists' per 1946 UK 'wanted' criteria.

LEARN. THE. HISTORY.

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

The last Israeli Pres that cared about a 2 state solution was Ehud Barak. I remember holding my breath hoping upon hoping it would happen. Sadly it did not.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

Lots of failure everywhere.

mixitupdeedee62.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yes, let's play it out. What would happen if Israel stopped illegal settlements, stopped expansion into Palestinian territory, stopped blockading Gaza, stopped their apartheid regime, etc. etc. etc., ALL done with USA intervention by means of funding and weapons?

mixitupdeedee62.bsky.social•33 days ago

What if USA and Israel were to STOP blocking a Palestinian State? Stopped arbitrary 'administrative detentions' of Palestinian men, women and children? Stopped demolishing Palestinian homes and creating 'sterile' streets, roads, areas in OWB & OEJ?

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

💯 And will add if Hamas stopped sending bombs to Israel and their proxies stopped blowing up Israelis at West Bank checkpoints etc. Both sides have had several opportunities to take a peace deal and both have failed. No weapons to Israel would absolutely create Holocaust 2.0. It’s a quagmire.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•33 days ago

Netanyahu's useful idiots on the Stein left were warned by actual Palestinians what would happen, but they voted for the fascist shills anyway.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/muslim-american-support-trump/680449/

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•33 days ago

We knew that before November 5th - those third party idiots were warned they were voting for Palestine's extinction but they did it anyway.

coachtim.bsky.social•33 days ago

They've been awfully quiet since then.

eliteprogresscheck.bsky.social•33 days ago

They all got brainwashed sideways, some of them were asserting Palestine was a LGBTQ friendly place. They just sealed its doom with their bullshit.

eliteprogresscheck.bsky.social•33 days ago

Total and complete brainwashed little morons. It was amazing to see honestly, just programmed like perfect little useful idiots.

willh84.bsky.social•33 days ago

The irony https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/did-democrats-support-for-gaza-genocide-cost-harris-the-election/

drewc.bsky.social•33 days ago

Me when I’m too stupid and covered in blood to know what irony means:

rhkwaschik.bsky.social•33 days ago

Not a new idea. But why Egypt and Jordan?

barneymac66.bsky.social•33 days ago

Because according to the Zionist myth, that's where the Palestinians are originally from.

mertgoez.bsky.social•31 days ago

What do u expect from the evil empire

colintiyani.bsky.social•33 days ago

This is the anti-woke dystopia that Americans voted for: 100% illegal, 100% racist, 100% immoral. The evil of Zionism combined with the angry stupidity of Trump makes for a catastrophe of biblical proportions. Bring back Genocide Joe?

kipwilliams.bsky.social•33 days ago

I guess a lot of intelligent people on my side are about to learn the concept of "worse."

chickenlady.bsky.social•33 days ago

It wasn't. He did what he could.
And he brought hostages out.
Not the rifles and bombs, he did.

This is solely on Trump MBS and Kushner.
And all their dumb acolytes.

https://bsky.app/profile/chickenlady.bsky.social/post/3lgmszfnb3222

skinneroldham.bsky.social•33 days ago

America is a rogue state.

djzaber.bsky.social•33 days ago

Horrifying.

indidad2.bsky.social•33 days ago

Face meet …

altiam.bsky.social•33 days ago

Complex issues need nuanced solutions. Thoughts?

anthonywch.bsky.social•33 days ago

That is true, as neither the US, Israel or the governing powers of the Palestinians are blameless for the situation we are in. Israel as occupying colonizing power, US as enabler and arms supplier, governments of the Palestinian people are corrupt and/or terrorists (and the only option allowed).

molanski.bsky.social•33 days ago

Governing powers of Palestine being complicit.utter balderdash

factsnotprops.bsky.social•33 days ago

💯

trashbaby40k.bsky.social•33 days ago

mgharris.bsky.social•33 days ago

Who could have predicted that?

aiteall.bsky.social•33 days ago

Wonder will Starmer and Lammy object to Israel doing what it's always planned?

georgemonbiot.bsky.social•33 days ago

There's little doubt that using state terror to expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank is the ultimate plan for Netanyahu and his cabinet. Biden assisted the plan without overtly subscribing to it. Trump says, "yeah, that's my plan too."

ggdepa.bsky.social•33 days ago

And EU as always looks away, spewing platitudes about "values" while arming Israel and not even discussing its most-favored-trading status.

willydeweirdt.bsky.social•33 days ago

For Trump it's mainly a real estate program. Trump Organisation will profit.

jarda.bsky.social•33 days ago

Wasn't it the Israeli plan since rather long? It just had to happen by steps, whenever Hamas gave a pretext for a revenge. Netanyahu just decided that Cast Lead was the way to go, providing it's quite upscaled.

grumpysteff.bsky.social•33 days ago

Before Israel conquered them in the ‘67 war, Gaza belonged to Jordan &West Bank belonged to Egypt, so in fact Palestinians are Jordanians &Egyptian.
They share a language & religion, so it makes sense. Israel is so tiny in comparison, so why should they be forced to share with people who hate them?

aldercheems.bsky.social•33 days ago

Why don't Polish speaking Israelis just go back to Poland?

leedsjohnlufc.bsky.social•29 days ago

Supplying the bombs and finances for the terrorists, to slaughter 40,000, makes Biden an integral part of the terrorism and slaughter!

Stop excusing Biden! He is a terrorist!

brunopara.bsky.social•33 days ago

it was always the plan

vvvviii.bsky.social•33 days ago

Republicans and Democrats are allies in genocide.

timminsj.bsky.social•33 days ago

The irritating thing is the people who wouldn't vote Biden accusing him of genocide when anyone who was following along saw what Trump was saying indicating he would be actively worse.
Basically "he's bad but we'll ignore that he's said he'll be even worse".

marksugrue.com•33 days ago

Even ignoring the crime at the heart of this plan, it wouldn't even work to bring peace - just as expelling people to the Gaza strip and West Bank in 1948 didn't bring peace.

barleyscotch.bsky.social•33 days ago

Well, I mean, the extended Trump family, being the real estate developers that they are, haven't exactly been tight-lipped about their intentions:

https://apnews.com/article/jared-kushner-trump-israel-waterfront-property-901895eeafee867e69d0c4582a4deb47

gregred.bsky.social•33 days ago

If its “just” 1.5 million why is Trump not volunteering that the USA will take them?

brettuu.bsky.social•33 days ago

... and the remaining million remain for what ? For the menial jobs?

philw12.bsky.social•33 days ago

Expect much hand wringing (instead of condemnation) from Starmer’s Labour Government!

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

Nobody cares what leader of powerless little island thinks or does.

Least of all Netanyahu, who gets less than 1% of his defense supplies from UK.

philw12.bsky.social•30 days ago

I agree. I do think though,that sometimes, politicians should just do the right thing.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

As far as it matters, Starmer's already done that. Called for ceasefire & release of hostages.

It's not like there's an obvious 'good' side to support in a war between theocratic fascists and a wannabe secular fascist.

philw12.bsky.social•30 days ago

He has done that but continued to offer material and possibly some military support for the regime. I call that hand wringing. As far as identifying a “good” side the IDF’s conduct in the war and the Killing of so many Innocent Civilians has swayed it for me.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

Handwringing, frankly, is all European politicians can do. Unlike Trump regime that's cleared eradication of Palestine, we have zero power over events.

As for numbers: when you attempt genocide, murdering 1400 v 40,000 innocent civilians comes down to means. It doesn't change the moral calculus.

noeldebien.bsky.social•31 days ago

Could not agree more.

encantinada.bsky.social•33 days ago

Starmer's policy towards Israel and Palestine is also terrible.

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

Also irrelevant. Nobody gives a shit about powerless little island that supplies less than 1% of Israel's defence.

tictoc63.bsky.social•33 days ago

It was always the end game. Gaza will be an Israeli/US holiday resort within 10yrs, and Trump will build the biggest hotels. Also, Ukraine will be forced to bow down to Russia and lose its most valuable lands. S

boomservice.bsky.social•32 days ago

wtf "policy towards Israel .. was terrible"?

#GenocideJoe Biden supported every murdered Palestinin.
How terrible for Israel ..

boomservice.bsky.social•32 days ago

If only Harris had said "Stop it.Or I'll stop it."

warriorseamstress.bsky.social•30 days ago

The Palestinians lost.

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yeah, those US pro Palestinien who voted for Biden in 2020 and against Harris in 2024 did teach a good lesson to the Democrats though, right ? That's the most important.

drewc.bsky.social•33 days ago

Do you think support genocide is good or bad?

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

I don't support genocide, and I'm not a US citizen. US pro palestinien supporter though Biden was bad, and they were right, his support to Israel was bad, but to think Trump wouldn't be worst you have to be either dumb, or dishonest. Do you think Harris would have called for cleaning out Gaza ?

drewc.bsky.social•33 days ago

She already did. Big part of why she lost. Do you know what month it is?

romza.bsky.social•32 days ago

And even if her position on Israel genocide was exactly the same has Trump, and it's not, it's still wouldn't be a reason to vote for a racist misogynist rapist grifter who will let bibi deport all the Palestinians he doesn't manage to kill in the name of the Palestinians you pretend to defend !

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

and it's still January

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

But, are you a US citizen, and did you vote for Trump ? If so, do you think he's the right person to help the Palestinians ?

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

Sorry, must have miss that. Can you send me a link to where she say all Gazan should be moved to Egypt and Jordan ?

byrneluc.bsky.social•33 days ago

No, she didn't. Her policy was a ceasefire and a two state solution where the Palestinians had a democratic state that they could govern independently. Trump's policy was levelling Gaza, ethnic cleansing, and creating Monaco II. She lost because the US is deeply misogynistic.

drewc.bsky.social•32 days ago

What is it you liberals love to say 15 years after it was popular? Oh, right! "You sweet summer child." Do you think she was telling the truth?

If you give somebody a bunch of bombs that he drops on children, it doesn't matter how often you say you're opposed to children blowing up.

romza.bsky.social•33 days ago

Yes, thank you.

alwaysncognito.bsky.social•32 days ago

Biden made two significant mistakes: Gaza and Ukraine. He trusted a narcissist like Netanyahu while failing to trust Zelensky. Netanyahu attacked Iran because Biden threatened to pull out. All the while, he was too scared of war to be strong enough to let Zelensky do what he needed to.

mmdc.bsky.social•33 days ago

That's the plan

truthonlyplease.bsky.social•31 days ago

A big no to this and Trump's real estate deals. The land belongs to Palestine

peafrog.bsky.social•30 days ago

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/1/28/raz_segal

beagle70.bsky.social•33 days ago

What a surprise!

dipradan.bsky.social•33 days ago

No one is surprised who has a brain. Sadly, apparently most supporters of Palestine in America don't have a brain, and thus, we get Trump and his stated goal of Ethnic Cleansing and 5000 pound bombs.

doge-of-digbeth.bsky.social•33 days ago

The language he uses is so violent and inhuman "Clean the whole lot out" this is a out Israeli annexation to appease the US religious right.

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