Second of all, just because a certain percentage doesn’t of the public believes nonsense doesn’t mean the science isn’t settled. Some people believe in Bigfoot and a flat earth. I can’t roll my eyes hard enough. - ThreadSky

joho.bsky.social • 3 days ago

Second of all, just because a certain percentage doesn’t of the public believes nonsense doesn’t mean the science isn’t settled.

Some people believe in Bigfoot and a flat earth.

I can’t roll my eyes hard enough.

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gardylou-games.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Beyond laughable justification.

dholladay.bsky.social•3 days ago

Nessy though... She out there.

snorter.bsky.social•23 hours ago

😂

frankd7.bsky.social•3 days ago

As if that segment of the public would be persuaded by more scientific studies. Swift was right: “You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.” What we need is more funding of studies of the psychology of irrational and conspiratorial thinking.

lordjim.bsky.social•23 hours ago

Jesus, THANK YOU.

introvertedcatlady.bsky.social•1 day ago

By this logic facts don't become facts until you believe it. By that logic, nothing in this world is factual because there's nothing 100% of the globe can agree on.

jenniferdiascro.bsky.social•1 day ago

Omg, this! Science doesn’t care about your opinions!! I used to tell my students this regularly. A few were a bit offended … until they thought about it. Sigh.

joho.bsky.social•3 days ago

Finally, these people won’t be convinced by 100 more studies showing vaccines don’t cause autism.

It’s hard to think of a bigger waste of time and money.

How embarrassing for my profession.

katharinehayhoe.com•1 day ago

I can propose one! Requiring a new analysis of whether climate is changing and humans are responsible. Which, when the answers are found to be yes and yes, will not convince a single person who wasn’t already convinced either.

cagirlinsf.bsky.social•22 hours ago

My thoughts exactly!

joshuasharp.bsky.social•1 day ago

This. This right here.

"You cannot reason someone out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."

beat-army.bsky.social•1 day ago

Tens of millions of dollars have already been diverted from novel, frontier-pushing research to re-examine this and further expose this lie. How many advances were sacrificed to this? Now we’ll spend millions more, and it won’t move the needle with anti-vaxxers.

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beat-army.bsky.social•1 day ago

We will also never get 100% agreement among scientist about virtually anything. This assertion is sheer anti-intellectualism.

Meanwhile, Iowa legislators who earned an F (but received a D) is HS biology propose banning mRNA vaccines. They want to remain *mRNA free*🤦🏽‍♂️.

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beat-army.bsky.social•1 day ago

Maybe RFK jr and Battacharya will invest billions into the mechanism of protein synthesis carried out in these unique humans?

/end

jtsdmpk.bsky.social•1 day ago

If you do a hundred more studies, they'd trot out the five you'd get a false positive effect for and ignore the 95 negative studies.

renegadesci.bsky.social•1 day ago

It's not about proving that vaccines don't cause autism.

It's about holding power by providing an internal enemy.

They will be putting out information warfare to build/maintain their alternate universe where the ruling party are the "saviors".

I can't think of a more malicious use of goverment.

mightyapollo.bsky.social•1 day ago

The saddest part is we already tried this. Columbia oversaw a multi institution study and expressly invited in vaccine skeptics to help monitor and proctor in 2008.

In response, the skeptics immediately declared that ‘ok, that causal theory is dead, but vaccines…”🙄

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/Healthday/story?id=5725248&page=1

grumpyoldscientist.bsky.social•1 day ago

Would also help if it was publicized that he was forced to resign as an editor of JAMA for running the “ No physicians are racist” show starring a bunch of white men.

joewv.bsky.social•3 days ago

Any studies run will be giant p-hacking exercises with hundreds of sub-analysis and whatever one or two statistical noise signals will be run up a flag pole as evidence. Left handed Albanians who live in Hoboken will be shown as proof we need more studies

justsavebirds.bsky.social•3 days ago

I was autistic long before I was vaccinated. But hey, I’m only a sample size of one.

artsvandelay.bsky.social•3 days ago

They'll take the existence of the studies as evidence for a link ... and when the study shows no link, they'll take it as evidence of a conspiracy.

joho.bsky.social•3 days ago

And one more finally, it appears these “studies” will be done.

Do you trust RFK to do this research honestly? Me neither.

https://bsky.app/profile/arghavansallesmd.medsky.social/post/3ljshucfmec2q

pafwinder.bsky.social•3 days ago

I nominate Vinay Prasad to design the Vaccine-Autism RCT and go recruit all of the participants. Let him put is money where his mouth is.

wisepitador.bsky.social•2 days ago

He doesn't know how to design a study unfortunately. He has no idea how actual research is done.

jqgregory.bsky.social•1 day ago

Right on. A "final finally": He ignores the obvious and strong possibility that these "studies" are only being done as a pretext for pulling FDA approval for vaccines in the US in the near future

jwolfiedog.bsky.social•1 day ago

Absolutely not. RFK Jr. will handpick biased researchers who will manipulate the data to produce the results he wants.

queerkitty.bsky.social•1 day ago

The RFK who makes his living encouraging people to sue vaccine makers for possible side effects and then gets a bonus if the lawsuit succeeds in court? No I don’t trust him anywhere near vaccine research, nor should anyone else.

nurseferatu.bsky.social•1 day ago

There is a long history of politically motivated and publicly funded “science” that falls into “keep doing studies until we get a result we like”.

signaturedoc.bsky.social•3 days ago

I hope they all are volunteering their children and grandchildren to be in the placebo group.

msmeeshie.bsky.social•1 day ago

And what will Republicans do upon their findings? Go after their pals at pharmaceutical companies?

At his point they are just hoping the old, poor and useless die off.

foreverambre.bsky.social•1 day ago

Before they embark on this research, has RFK Jr. secured the settlement money all the ‘vaccine injured’ by Autism 🙄😵‍💫😒 will surely want/require? Vaccines didn’t make me autistic but, if he wants to FA, he’ll need to cut me a massive check.

rmspinafore.bsky.social•1 day ago

RFK Jr’s gonna find those two climate change denying scientists to conduct this research.

joho.bsky.social•1 day ago

Final essay https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/settledscience/

sheencr.bsky.social•1 day ago

See this article too about him https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n851

sheencr.bsky.social•1 day ago

I have a substack coming out on the studies shortly. 2h

notjustdna.bsky.social•1 day ago

Happy to shout that out when it comes.

(I wrote something on it years ago, at Sciblogs.)

sheencr.bsky.social•1 day ago

Thanks

aozora-aonami.bsky.social•1 day ago

All the things you said plus you can't prove a negative.

scottdagostino.ca•1 day ago

“Science's reputation took a big hit,” he says.
WHO DID THE HITTING? WHY DID THEY HIT? So disingenuous 😡

eagleowlsheila.bsky.social•1 day ago

I thought politicians' reputation took a big hit, certainly in the UK, but science and the medical profession emerged from the catastrophe with great honour... But then I don't have an anti-science/political agenda I guess!

badhorse.bsky.social•21 hours ago

The goose meme continues to be the best template for the current age, bar none.

adriancjr.bsky.social•22 hours ago

Apart from the usual anti-vaxx suspects, so many did the hitting: the Ioannidis types with their 10K Covid deaths, the WHO, CDC et al. refusing to say airborne, the attempts to hide the contribution to research of coronaviruses in Wuhan, and many more. It's a case of Murder on the Orient Express.

alexblackwood.bsky.social•1 day ago

🎯🎯🎯

joonyna.bsky.social•23 hours ago

Meh. I agree there's no point in more studies - sceptics will ignore them too, but science did take a big hit, or at least public health did. They way overplayed their hand and the damage will last decades.

ramblingdoc.bsky.social•1 day ago

They think changing recommendations in light of new evidence means the original recommendations were lies

paolodelosrios.bsky.social•1 day ago

The usual plot. First break something. Then point at the damage, blaming someone else. Finally, claim to be the only one who can fix the problem.

cmirar.bsky.social•1 day ago

📌

dalma-hydro.bsky.social•3 hours ago

It might be useful to have a list of the most relevant /seminal papers be hosted on a page with the DOIs. It would be good to point all those who do their “own” research to what actual research is.

dalma-hydro.bsky.social•3 hours ago

Also curious if you are aware of any social science/ behavior studies to explain what makes certain individuals easier targets than others (on anti vaccine misinformation)?

roby-zz-dahlia.bsky.social•1 day ago

Who gave Livingston his MD? Can we ask them to take it back? Has he been checked recently for a brain tumor? Is someone posting nasty stupidities in his name? When did he start thinking of science as something subject to public opinion?

bcotrim98.bsky.social•1 day ago

Unfortunately, there's one that those people are willing to make. A big social experiment of people not vaccinating their kids for the next few years, see no changes in new autism cases while there's a spike in vaccine preventable diseases

takel.gryph.one•1 day ago

is harriet hall still an active writer over there

because if so i'm not clicking that

paulaserrano.bsky.social•1 day ago

Harriet Hall died two years ago.

hyperglavin.bsky.social•1 day ago

better not click it anyway, in case she comes back

takel.gryph.one•1 day ago

appreciate the heads-up

mysteriousrook.com•1 day ago

Amen. This is just like Republicans who want new voting restrictions - not because they themselves believe the conspiracies - but because GOP base “has lost confidence in elections”. Of course, no level of changes will convince the base that elections they lost have integrity.

judith-ip.bsky.social•1 day ago

And the loss of confidence is a result of deliberate lies. Close match indeed.

southernspring.bsky.social•3 days ago

If you start a study with the goal of showing one thing or another then you are biased and don’t understand what truth and the scientific method are. Studies test hypotheses. That is all. What we decide to test is political. I

southernspring.bsky.social•3 days ago

..wish people understood this better 😔

mjm314.bsky.social•7 hours ago

Opinion has nothing to do with the facts. In condoning another study with dishonest people, he opens the process up for unscientific, spurious results. He doesn't think veteran researchers will get do this work? It will be vaccine deniers and questionable YouTube "experts."

toxicological.bsky.social•1 day ago

Look if they do 100 studies, five will have a p-value less than .05 by chance. And that will be considered convincing!

williamclang.bsky.social•3 days ago

I am reminded of the old complaint about creationists: every time a new transitional fossil is found, that creates two new gaps in the fossil record for evolutionists to explain.

merz.bsky.social•3 days ago

“God of the gaps” – God lives in the spaces between transitional fossils, and each new intermediate provides two new places where God can live.

prasad.bsky.social•3 days ago

Third, as a basic matter of scientific logic, the null hypothesis is the *alternative* to the question to be tested, not the question

this is Zeno’s paradox in other dress

georgepalaidis.bsky.social•1 day ago

The takedown should begin and end with this.

lindamagid.bsky.social•1 day ago

That’s sentence is INSANE.

mrspebbleton.bsky.social•3 days ago

I used to visit my local Nextdoor, where people routinely posted photos of "chemtrails" and UFOs. Yes, people believe all kinds of sh*t, and always have. Ask @alymeek.bsky.social , who teaches a class on conspiracy theories. The response is education, not more vax research.

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