Don't give MAGA the false satisfaction that she needs a pardon. She has plenty of resources. If Trump wants to litigate (again) Jan. 6, I'm sure she is up for it.
He won't bankrupt Cheney. He didn't bankrupt Jean Carroll. And he loses alot, alot. He has won only one case over defamation, and the ultimate disposition of that case is in dispute. You have to fight this sh*t. https://www.azcentral.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/
Yes, but Carroll was suing HIM, not trying to protect herself against a frivolous, potentially years long investigation of her by Trump's Injustice Dept.
Was it just me or did she look like she was ready to take the prize and run? Good old Joe grabbed her hand and made her stand there and get all the pictures of them together. Good luck running as a Republican anywhere Liz with those pictures following you. 😂
She definitely deserved the metal but I do not agree with issuing a preemptive pardon. The reason I don’t agree with it is because when someone accepts a pardon, it is essentially the same thing as admitting guilt to a crime and she has not done anything wrong.
I don't know if doing your job when no one else will, should get you a medal but I do think she and Adam need a pardon only because Trump is a crazy manchild
It’s irrelevant that Liz did nothing wrong. Trump will prosecute to make an example out of her. She bravely put party over country. I may not agree with every position she holds, but I firmly believed she & the entire J6 investigating team, must be pardoned to prevent their false persecution.
A pardon is given to “forgive” a transgression, a crime. She committed no crime, so a pardon isn’t an option. She will face what legal attacks come her way with the truth. A pardon would only give TFG & MAGAts ammunition.
A Preemptive Pardon is best to help prevent a trump DOJ from prosecuting on lies. The truth coming out takes millions in lawyers fees, stress and years of a person’s life with no guarantees. She should not have to go through that. None of them should.
I agree she shouldn’t have to. But legally, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Ask any lawyer. She wouldn’t accept one even if offered bc of that. She is not guilty of anything, and has no need of one. The fact that the Trump DOJ may try prosecuting based on his lies doesn’t change that.
As per META AI:
1. Accepting a pardon does not necessarily require an explicit admission of guilt. The individual may still maintain their innocence.
2. Accepting a pardon can be a pragmatic decision to avoid prosecution, fines, or other penalties, rather than an admission of guilt.
All evidence would come out in their defense. There has to be more than what we were told. I think involvement of more members of Congress, SCOTUS, Ginny Thomas. Maybe don doesn't care but DoJ probably doesn't want it released. My opinion only.
Possibly. I don’t know how others feel, but I am exhausted just thinking about the fight we have ahead of us. I don’t want to look back. Regardless, it isn’t fair for one person to bare a huge financial & emotional burden from the DOJ threatening them with jail or death just for doing their job.
We have limited characters to use. Shortening her full name to Liz may have no other meaning than 1. We are saving characters or 2. We are more interested in getting our point across than formality. But for me personally, I dislike her policies, but respect her as an intelligent, brave, woman.
Its not? It feels a little cultish to be fellating the man who betrayed our country and our democracy by not dropping out 20 months ago. The man that literally facilitated a trump takeover bc his 81 year old ego didnt want to retire YET to his oceanfront mansion. Thats cultish
id give a pardon to every democrat and republican who spoke the truth about the tangerine hemorrhoid(smells like 💩,is crooked and disfigured,and a pain in the ass)
She's done nothing illegal, at least nothing that the remains of her party can investigate or charge. She was operating within the rules of her job by investigating 1/6/21.
Cheney’s are corrupt, lying swindlers conning billions out of the Iraq war with glaring conflicts of interest. Blood-soaked cash from dead Americans & Dick’s torture campaigns. The sins of her father are not hers, but she has never spoken against it. She just doesn’t want to burn down the cash cow.
Torn. I see how it hamstrings 45, but accepting a pardon necessarily means one is admitting they committed a crime, and Liz has not committed any crimes.
Why? because of support for the Obama birther thing? Or tax cuts for the wealthy? Or opposition to Gay rights & distancing from her sister? or her anti-choice efforts? Denying blk & brn ppl a fair shake and workers the right to a union/a decent wage. Anti-Trump is necessary, but not sufficient.
It doesn’t seem to bother anyone that she still ran around using R talking points like Dems were killing babies at birth, so umm…. I don’t think she needs an award for doing her job and meeting her commitment to the constitution and her constituents. I guess that’s just me though.
I agree with both statements. Hopefully the DOJ will refuse to cooperate if the orange terror tries to go after her.
Liz Cheney committed no crimes, so she needs no pardon.
While I agree she deserves an award, I don't think she should get pardoned. I firmly that, courts willing, a lot will come out pertaining to the criminality she uncovered, and will be undisputed by facts. If she's pardoned and prevented from prosecution. too much will go unsaid, that needs to be.
Pardon, yes. Only because she did what few Republicans would do, and that was to condemn Trump. But she still voted with Trump 96% of the time and is a neocon warhawk. Medal? No.
Standing up to stochastic terrorism is to be recognized & rewarded. We as voters have allowed our country to fall into fascism, myself included, not doing enough to oppose Citizens United, voter suppression, the Fairness Doctrine, etc.
#LizCheney is a National Treasure who totally deserves this award 🇺🇸#PresidentBiden please protect Liz from any & all retribution from the felon Donald Trump!!!
No. She has committed no crime. The GOP know this. She will almost certainly not be charged, but in the bizarre event she were, she would not be convicted.
She definitely deserved this award, and she did nothing wrong to have to be pardoned. (Yet, I want her to be safe from the orange monster and his cronies)
No. She propagated abortion lies. Stood up and voted for Trump across the board. She did ONE thing which is tell the truth about the insurrection. Period. That is just doing the right thing!
I definitely agree that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Bernie Sanders and all J6 committee should be pardoned. The Fascists will hunt them down just for the meanness of doing it.
Being targeted by fascists isn’t a crime (though being a fascist certainly should be). And to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt. None of them are guilty of anything. Will TFG try to spin it? Yes. But the law will protect them. If not, we have far worse problems than just TFG.
Cheney certainly deserves our gratitude for her courage to stand for the Constitution and justice in the face of personal threats. She does not need a pardon because she has the resources to defend and the spectacle of Trump's revenge may actually help.
He offered her a broad reaching Pardon. She refused it and in so many words stated she had not committed any crimes. Taking a pardon implies that you are accepting responsibility for some illegal action.
I wasn't a fan of hers by far, but she earned some respect from me for standing up for our Country when it mattered. She absolutely deserves this award, but she should not need a pardon for her work either.
She hasn't done anything that requires pardoning. To give her one is to somehow admit that putting country over party needs to be pardoned. I also suspect, she wouldn't want one.
A pardon would diminish her loyalty to the constitution and fulfilling her duty to it. Her father has plenty of Halliburton money for any lawyers in her future. She’ll be just fine.
I’m old enough to remember what Trump said about the Medal of Freedom when he gave it to that golem Miriam Adelson forever staining this award. His giving it to Rush Limbaugh, Devon Nunes and Jim Jordan took a shit on it. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-medal-of-freedom-medal-of-honor/
It's sad that in the almost 249 years the United States of America has existed that an outgoing President has to pardon Americans who told the truth about the incoming President. Washington would be rolling over in his grave.
Pardon the innocent in anticipation of the stinkn muskyrump pogram? For why? They will pack all branches with incompetent sukups bent on counterproductive measures. This incoming admin is working for Putin. Period. Not to break us bc we R broken already. This is pure joy at watching the suffering.
A preemptive pardon considering what TFG had said about putting her in front of a firing squad is how I see it. I don't agree with her politics, but I do agree with her about her statements and beliefs re J6.
Yeah... exactly...but the 💩🤡 is gunning for her and it won't matter. She needs a blanket pardon. I don't trust him not to have her charged with treason and then executed.
I think she is not pardoned because she's not a felon, of course I hope everyone who is dedicated to protecting democracy stays safe during the upcoming chaos.
The way that Trump & his GOP henchmen cheats with the rules of law & threatens to go after Jan. 6 committee members; Biden has no option but to pardon Cheney & January 6 members.
Same. We just have to find our people. X has become a hell site rife with racist Indian memes and racist misinformation.
Liberals here will fall in line under a Leftist-led resistance. It will be the only game in town. Once Trump is sworn in I hope the hero worship of Biden & Harris will subside.
Yo. Just because she did the right thing once doesn’t make her a hero… she’s still against a woman’s right to choose, she voted against the equality act, and she is still as R as they get… yes she stood up to Trump… everybody should. my bar for heroes and role models is a lot f$&cking higher.
She doesn't want a pardon because she didn't do anything wrong. I didn't like the way she couldn't wait to get away and didn't seem to want her picture taken with President Biden.
In a perfect world of unicorns and rainbows, that would be true. But in the real world, where Trump sets the discord in America and on the international stage, he will strike against anyone who criticized him, including judges, prosecutors, the media, and political rivals. So she needs a pardon.
That's true but disinformation doesn't care, they will only use it as proof that the dems were doing crimes and a lot of his supporters are craving evidence of that, since they don't actually have any at the moment despite claiming it often.
I don't recall where I heard it so don't quote me on this but I heard Liz Cheney said she would not accept a pardon even if offered. Wouldn't surprize me to find out it's true. Liz is a figther and I suspect she WANTS Trump to have to think about and DECIDE whether he wants to risk going after her.
She has nothing to be pardoned for. She did nothing wrong and got to the bottom of the truth. But she and the entire J6 committee should be granted some kind of J6 investigation immunity.
Yes, she is a person of remarkable courage and integrity. It was a positive development that she was pushed out of the Republican party's circle. She may find a more fitting home among the Democratic party and realize that Reps wanna go back to ancient Rome.Neros 'wannabe' perverts!
Another one who thinks laws, Congress, and the Constitution will stop Trump from doing whatever he wants. Did you already forget that the SCOTUS last year handed Presidents King like powers? Trump is above the law, as most of us know. Democracy will not survive a 2nd Trump presidency.
It's called preparing for reality. Like how one would prepare for a climate change disaster such as a hurricane of which you were warned in advance was coming. Not being prepared for the worst like yourself is not only dangerous but gives fascism fuel to succeed. Naivety is not a strong point.
No, he was not handed king powers.
If the SCOTUS wants to prosecute Cheney for being on an official committee, doing official committee business, they can’t hide it as anything besides corruption.
That ruling last year by the six Republican Justices was widely condemned by legal experts, constitutional scholars, and Democrat Justices. Unprecedented power of absolute immunity would allow Presidents to exert pressure on a A.G. to pursue charges. That's where Liz Cheney is f*cked.
She doesn't "need" a pardon as she hasn't broken any laws, but she does need protection from the mob boss who will undoubtedly pursue her relentlessly for daring to investigate and expose HIM and HIS crimes.
she seems almost embarrassed when she is acknowledged for what she did~she's very humble because IMO she really believes as an American there was absolutely no other choice;
If I were Liz Cheney I wouldn't take a pardon. I would say, "Bring it on." The Felon doesn't want a public trial because all of the J6 evidence will be aired again in public.
Yes, to see in advance would mean you would have to THINK about an issue. That leaves Trump out. Another example, he keeps talking about Canada. If by some bizarre fate they became part of US, they would NOT vote for Trump and his MAGAS lickspittles.
Hell will freeze over before Canada becomes part of the US. The vast majority of Canadians value our sovereignty and the values we hold - you know, like universal health, gun laws, etc. too much to relinquish them. Additionally, we are a member of NATO = defence support.
Absolutely! Just commenting on how he never thinks about the stuff that spews from his mouth. Am sure he never thought about any of the things you just stated. Probably, just thinks of how he could exploit Canada's natural resources.
Well, sure racism does exist everywhere in the world, but we never had it as an institution. We don’t believe in the death penalty. Women have more rights in Canada. We have gun control and universal healthcare. Shall I go on?
I don't think she should be pardoned because I don't think she did anything to be pardoned for. That said, she's a grown up, has the president's ear, and should she request it, I'm willing to bet he'd grant it
Absolutely! Everyone on the January 6th Committee, the people that voted to impeach and every member of Biden's admin, including a pocket pardon for him and Jill, should get one. That should include Jack Smith.
Every time Musk/Trump indicate that they are going to persecute any individual for doing their duty, Biden should immediately issue a pardon for that person.
I agree she deserves the award but she doesn’t need a pardon. We need to let the legal and legislative and constitutional safeguards against this sort of overreach play out.
Let's clarify: accepting a pardon is not an admission of guilt. The 10th Circuit Ct said that accepting a pardon does NOT meet legal definition of guilt.
The Constitution says that, excluding impeachment, Presidential pardon power is UNLIMITED. SC put themselves in a box w/immunity ruling. Go Joe!
But Senior U.S. Circuit Judge David Ebel declined to adopt that "draconian" reading of Burdick, saying the statement was an aside, or dicta, in the court's overall holding on the legal effect of someone's unaccepted pardon.
If the Court had meant to impute other, legal consequences to the acceptance of a presidential pardon, it surely would have said so explicitly," Ebel wrote.
Ah, I see the difference. SCOTUS said a pardon carries an "imputation" of guilt, where Burdick says that "does not constitute a legal confession of guilt." Makes sense.
She doesn’t NEED a pardon bc she hasn’t done anything illegal & she doesn’t want one. & exposing unflattering facts abt DT’s conduct on J6 is NOT ILLEGAL!
She is deserving, but ballsy enough that she may not want a pardon.
After all, Congresswoman Cheney did nothing wrong to need a pardon from anything; but, fucking Pride Boys boy, Enrique fuckin’ Tarrio DID, despite what his treasonous Pride Boys ass-lickin’ bros print on their T-shirts…..
you can't pardon people for fake crimes - accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt - why would she want that? she has the money to fight whatever drummed up bs they bring against her.
At this point, I think if I was Liz Cheney, a pardon would be out of the question because government oppression never disappears. Pride for doing what's right has no dishonorPride for doing what's right has no dishonor
How quick you are to forgive and forget the lies Liz Cheney told and emboldened MAGA and felon45. Do you not remember her video saying Democrats were kiIIing babies after birth. She can go to hell.
Along with every single member of the January 6th Committee and every witness. Anyone that has been named by the incoming administration as an enemy of the country should get a pardon.
She has never done anything criminal and I believe she has not sought a pardon. I do not think she would be denied if she thought it would protect her. Whether merited by our courts or Supreme Court or not, I believe she has confidence in our court system.
I am horrified by the prospect of Predator Elect Trump going after political foes, but I'm also horrified about the precedent this would set for the Predator Elect to abuse during the next four years.
Certain Trump-targetted individuals are getting pardons for protection from Trump's harassment. Trump has repeatedly rattled off names on his Hit List. Thus, pardons for Hunter and Liz
If someone with a lot of power hates you, 4 years is a long beating to endure, innocent or not.
I think the orange rapist WANTS them to get pardons
That way he can say “SEE pardons were given because they committed crimes…”
I say no pardons & if he does anything (which I still say bullshit) then let get to the discovery part of the trial. See all the evidence we probably haven’t ever seen
Trump announed he was going to pardon all the 1/6 rioters so that pot is hardly one to call the kettle black. His supporters used to fall for it. These days, they seem less convinced. They've certainly quited down. Guess we'll see. But I think Biden should preemptively pardon as many as he can.
I still don't understand the preemptive pardon. One cannot be pardoned of a crime they have not been convicted of. That's just my logic, not twisted by politics.
Some 👫 don't think she deserved the 🎖️ but should B Pardoned
I say she Definately deserved it. She exhibited great Honor by standing up to the wanna B tyrant even though it cost her career. Outstanding Bravery
Thank you Liz Cheney
#UniteAmerica
#Resist
#BlueCrew
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https://www.azcentral.com/pages/interactives/trump-lawsuits/
1. Accepting a pardon does not necessarily require an explicit admission of guilt. The individual may still maintain their innocence.
2. Accepting a pardon can be a pragmatic decision to avoid prosecution, fines, or other penalties, rather than an admission of guilt.
No crime, no pardon.
https://www.justappeals.net/blog/2023/05/do-you-have-to-admit-guilt-to-accept-a-pardon/
Most notably: Executive ordering an expansion of SCOTUS!
Not good enough, Joe!!!
Liz Cheney committed no crimes, so she needs no pardon.
admitting guilt. I'd personally
never take a pardon for crimes
I never committed.
But, yeah.
A pardon would diminish their righteousness.
Obeying in advance
I think she is hoping Trump does come after her.
You don't need to defend Biden anymore. He's finished. He gave you Trump.
Is this why liberals silo-ed themselves on this site?
So they can help praise on neocons with no push back 🤮
Liberals here will fall in line under a Leftist-led resistance. It will be the only game in town. Once Trump is sworn in I hope the hero worship of Biden & Harris will subside.
That guy's one smart cookie 🍪
https://www.justappeals.net/blog/2023/05/do-you-have-to-admit-guilt-to-accept-a-pardon/
Cassidy Hutchinson is another true hero. These women made huge sacrifices.
https://www.amazon.com/Oath-Honor-Warning-Liz-Cheney/dp/0316572063/ref=sr_1_1?crid=199QHGBNWQVHS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NC_tVK1Y0TTpUiHXhI1AQjr_OzQ7EU2WFJmAMGvVS8DcxZmhCXI6SaUJPjx6I77kcKeCWDSAc9xEA1FxxYOnqQvj-SarOuGKchzjkYl45rbZqS5Xsd2Qp9QB9RfsrpTk9HC-p8eZP0JuCupsxr83lpEg8cnb2It_7ru13cStqltlytNcWhYg_mmDr66qe8MfktQoC-3A9-jSOG5qrkPx7z2YoK6mdBlB58eeYhivShY.tmrdv1C_6Aq_rPY9f0iCu37yC2lEGey_VJI8fxyy4Wo&dib_tag=se&keywords=liz+cheney+book+2023+oath+and+honor&qid=1735879672&sprefix=liz+chen%2Caps%2C233&sr=8-1
You believe trump is all powerful, all loved and EVERYONE will bend and scrape to please him.
Even though he’s not, he’s not and Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Denmark, Scotland, the UK and Panama are all telling him to stuff it.
If the SCOTUS wants to prosecute Cheney for being on an official committee, doing official committee business, they can’t hide it as anything besides corruption.
he's a toddler with a poopy diaper and sitting in his own filth.
https://kpmg.com/ca/en/home/insights/2024/03/racism-remains-an-ugly-reality-for-many-in-canada.html
The Constitution says that, excluding impeachment, Presidential pardon power is UNLIMITED. SC put themselves in a box w/immunity ruling. Go Joe!
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/
But Senior U.S. Circuit Judge David Ebel declined to adopt that "draconian" reading of Burdick, saying the statement was an aside, or dicta, in the court's overall holding on the legal effect of someone's unaccepted pardon.
Google: 10th Circuit Ct re; Presidential pardons.
After all, Congresswoman Cheney did nothing wrong to need a pardon from anything; but, fucking Pride Boys boy, Enrique fuckin’ Tarrio DID, despite what his treasonous Pride Boys ass-lickin’ bros print on their T-shirts…..
If someone with a lot of power hates you, 4 years is a long beating to endure, innocent or not.
That way he can say “SEE pardons were given because they committed crimes…”
I say no pardons & if he does anything (which I still say bullshit) then let get to the discovery part of the trial. See all the evidence we probably haven’t ever seen
I say she Definately deserved it. She exhibited great Honor by standing up to the wanna B tyrant even though it cost her career. Outstanding Bravery
Thank you Liz Cheney
#UniteAmerica
#Resist
#BlueCrew