I thought the case seemed odd when I first read about it, but a busy, understaffed hospital with a sudden uptick of very small, fragile neonates, and not enough specialists, meaning the one who lives near and works hard is always there? As wrongful convictions go, this could be in a textbook. - ThreadSky

czedwards.bsky.social • 279 days ago

I thought the case seemed odd when I first read about it, but a busy, understaffed hospital with a sudden uptick of very small, fragile neonates, and not enough specialists, meaning the one who lives near and works hard is always there?

As wrongful convictions go, this could be in a textbook.

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trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

It's behind a paywall but I recall when I did a semi dive into the case, there was some damning evidence not able to be used in trial, but was released later

Such as the shitload of post it notes calling herself evil, that she killed the babies. They had to get hospital security to get her to stop

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

pestering the parents while they were trying to grieve, she kept inserting herself. Her notes to them were *weird* and she kept copies. And then they found stolen paperwork from the dead babies under her bed, with the diary which had the babies initials.

NOW idk if all this was generated by

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

grief/suspicion on her or whatever, but it was fucking weird and not normal.

I also remember the death rate of these babies, all of whom were expected to be fine, was astronomically out of place statistically too. And the death rate shifted with her shift.

j-mike.bsky.social•279 days ago

I'll see if I can find you a guest link but the article does actually discuss the statistics thing and the ways in which the investigators fucked with those statistics, including stuff like attributing a death that occurred on night shift to her even though she worked day shift that day.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

Basically, everything the press has had has come from the prosecution (which just like here, goes tunnel vision because that’s how they win cases) and the defense has been gag-ordered forever, so the evidence that supports the tunnel vision is dominant.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

Those statistics are also questionable. The math is pretty complex, but there’s a similar case in the Netherlands that was initially reported as the odds being one in several million for a coincidence, but when correctly calculated? About 1 in 50. Which is not outrageous.

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

Honestly I don't know why all baby areas aren't under CCTV 24/7, not so much for anything like THIS but someone stealing a baby or w/e

butlertron.bsky.social•279 days ago

for snatching, in all the hospitals i know, newborns have alarmed wristbands, like expensive clothes.

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

She also doesn't seem to fit any psych profile of such killers.

Women who kill like this do it for gains/attn or jollies and she doesn't seem to fit either.

j-mike.bsky.social•279 days ago

They have lojacks so they don't get snatched lol.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

Patient privacy? Babies have privacy rights, too, as do their parents.

kk-maker.bsky.social•279 days ago

people are really fucking bad at things like 'additional factors make statistics complicated'

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

SO bad.

plognark.bsky.social•279 days ago

Maybe, but PTSD and guilt from failure can really fuck people up in weird ways too.

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

Dood I'd quit the first time a baby died I couldn't do it. Even if I knew I did everything right, I'm not the one who could do that work

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

Yeah, but there are a hundred million nurses on the planet that don’t make that decision, and thank ghu and all the smelly angels we have them.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

those were out of context.
It’s hard for many people who haven’t been accused of a serious crime to understand the rumination, but that rumination is how false confessions are made every day. If everyone around you says you did it, you start to wonder if maybe you did. And if you process by writing…

trance.bsky.social•279 days ago

Sure, if suspicion was already on her, I could see that. Same w/ the charts, if someone was trying to figure out WHAT went wrong, but her explanations for both were also bizarre. She claimed the paperwork had just been in her pockets and she had no means to destroy it properly but had a shredder

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

Also, the case REALLY needed maternal health totally involved, because even after the umbilical cord is cut, that first 3 months — and especially that first week or two — of life are basically still tied to the mother. We don’t call it the 4th trimester for shits n giggles.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

And having been around enough entitled med school grads in my time on this rock, I would not be surprised if someone who accused her had tried to date or start an affair, and was rejected. Because Ghu knows medical school doesn’t make anyone better at hearing No.

plognark.bsky.social•279 days ago

Oh no

phyphor.one-dash.org•279 days ago

For some reason that link doesn't work for me but, yeah, from what I know it did odd at the time.

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

You’re in the UK, correct?

The article makes some indications that it is censored in the UK thanks to a gag order around the case.

Try it with a VPN set to a non-commonwealth country.

phyphor.one-dash.org•279 days ago

Interesting that it didn't give me a 451 error code but, yes, it works when I am in Belgium.

Thank you for the assist!

czedwards.bsky.social•279 days ago

It’s published in the US, so probably the easiest way was just block access on that one page. It’s very strange for US publishers when they have to censor on behalf of the Crown.

phyphor.one-dash.org•279 days ago

Sure, but that's what 451 is intended for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_451

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