Of course Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus, not what the Old Testament says. At least that's what they told me when I was a kid.
An ancient text vs a recent Supreme Court decision limiting women freedoms. Keep your "eye on the ball" for our current "moral" political, judicial leaders. We hope we get through the first trimester, now we are criminalized if we don't. Cowards fight past battles, current battles need courage.
Is it not something that Jordan B Peterson wants to be as better protection if it be a crime against man than only against a woman?
Like if a victim will be a man, that he will get compensation for that act then other man's will be so scared to commit a crime against other man's property...
Yep, just look at the USA and how the dumbarse evangelicals voted for a rapist, paedophile, and thief. Religion is the greatest fake news tool used by those who are morally bankrupt.
Many of them *do*. That’s one of the problems. They’re just good at pretending and hiding it. But now there’s no need to hide as they gain power. “Your body, my choice.”
they are told that they are moral and that makes them better than the non believers. thats the entire point.... the church takes your money and gives you a false sense of superiority.
And on the Quran it's more or less the same: Yesterday a Quran worshiper taught me that :
"Adultery is a greater crime than murder. The punishment for a murderer is beheading, not stoning, and even then, the murderer has the option of paying blood money (diyat)"
No way to find a breach in his faith
“If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver,” 👇🏻 (continued)
We know from absolute physical evidence that Mark's Gospel has been edited. The last 12 verses aren't even in the oldest copy we have. (I'm guessing they were added after Nicea.)
I've even seen the manuscript myself, in person. You can view it online here:
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I never compare notes about religion, no debates, no discussions.
It’s all mythological bullshit,
None of it happened
Less validity than a comic book. Not one of those characters mentioned in either testament ever existed. No prophets, no gospels, nothing
I don't think Jesus thought women were property... Luke 10: But the Lord answered her, “Martha, Martha, you are anxious and troubled about many things, but one thing is necessary. Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her.”
No one can know what Jesus actually thought or said as writings claiming what he "said" were not written until decades after his death-and not in the language he spoke. And, the New Testament does teach that women should be subservient to men, keep quiet in Church, keep their heads covered etc.
The only verse that comes close to talking about abortion is Exodus 21:22. And it talks about 2 men fighting and they strike a pregnant woman causing her to lose the fetus. The sentence is a fine. Which is what applies to a property crime. Only if the woman dies is the man that hit her executed.
Do you read a set of good books and walk away permanently changed? Sure the stories are old and misinformed. Chosen and highlighted by the wrong type of schools of thought. But keep asking questions. Define things for yourself. Make your own collection of inspirational stories. Good luck.
Lucifer and Jesus, the real Gods in the Bible, tell us these teachings of Mammon are wrong. Christianity serves Mammon while saying they're serving Jesus. Christianity is the deception Jesus spoke of. Jesus preached leftism
Well, see, first there was Adam, them Eve, and they fucked and had two sons. Then, those sons got wives and...hey! where the fuck did the wives come from?????
Adam and Eve did have other children including daughters. Presumably they married their sisters and their children married their inbred cousins and quite possibly their own siblings. Continued
Don't forget early biblical humans lived several centuries, inbreeding did a number on humanity.
I've been pointing this & many similar issues in the Bible out for years, same with the Qur'an. Religion & morality are two separate concepts and there's nothing moral about religion. ' I like your Jesus, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are nothing like your Jesus.' Mahatma Gandhi
It is important to point out that for Christians their teachings to follow stem mainly from the New Testament…for evangelical so-called “Christians” it’s Old Testament all the way…Jesus and his teachings seem to have little to no bearing on them😡
Hippachristians who voted for Trump and Mike Johnson obviously should be asked that question, but it goes in one ear and out the other because they are all in denial. The red door is the one they will be heading to not the white one when fate and destiny comes calling.😉
The Bible and other magical (religious) texts were written by men with this singular goal of controlling poor men, slaves, women and children. Instilling fear was purposeful.
Please consider joining Americans United for Separation of Church and State and/or the Freedom From Religion Foundation. They do good work and they need our support now more than ever.
Soften it by calling it a property crime. Oh, doesn't that sound f*cking familiar.
"Against Man". The perpetrator is always the victim according to the perpetrator.
Interesting. I remember reading a book written by a Turkish man - no clue who, or the name of the book - and I was struck by one passage that I never forgot.
He claimed that there was only one sin, Murder is the theft of a life, Adultery was the theft of a loved one, etc.
That's strategic. It's so that if someone from a nearby nation rapes your sister, you, as a man, have the customary right to gather all of your brothers and cousins into an army, ride into the rapist's territory, and slay everything you see until he comes forward to be killed in battle.
I can't help but notice that whenever I hear about some vile prick who murdered, maimed, or raped someone, the next sentence is about which 'church' they belonged to.
It was nice of god to take a short break from sadomasochism and endorsing rape and slavery, to give us some positive messages before fulfilling his fetish for torture and crucifixion.
Jesus was one of 52 messiahs wandering around Galilee at the time, they each had a band of followers. Jesus had about 70 people including a bunch of rich ladies including Mary Magdalene, the wife of the magistrate of Caesarea.
But yes, not a fairy tale, before crypto and NFTs people just had faith.
Look I’m not a religious believer, but I’ve known a few pious people, who were also very good people. It isn’t the message per se, it’s those who use it in service to power. Established religion invariably unites with establishment power, to control people, rather than enlightening them.
No one needs religion. What everyone needs is a good reading of philosophy, understand, interpret and follow the principals of a moral life. Religion is an unnecessary concept. To believe in some delusional hallucinations called god.
Everyone needs a belief system. Even science is ultimately based on a belief in the fundamentals, heck some 99% of my understanding of science as well as the natural world is based on the belief that the observations of others are correct and repeatable.
Are you kidding. No one needs belief to say there is sun moon stars etc. They are there. How about Earth. It is there no need belief. Only concept we need is are a method to understand their functions. Everything in the universe has a hardware and a software. Both are integral to existence.
Have you observed the bottom of the sea? The top of every mountain? Or do you trust in the word of others who have seen? Believe you eyes see what is and not what you wish?
Belief is fundamental to the human experience. Religion, ideology, etc. spring from belief.
Christians are full of crap 💩
If there was a god we’d have knowledge and wouldn’t require belief. Belief is for those who lack critical thinking skills.
Things you get away with when they tacked I AM THE LORD at the end
Also worth knowing there's a lot of Leviticus/Deuteronomy that got cut for Christianity, so maybe they should look at the rest to see if it's up to par, engage with Scripture from a historical, contextual, and Jesusy standpoint
You see: Jesus told us that only God is good. People who are following him in Jesus are also trying their best to be good. And I know many who are good people or were good people.
One of them for example Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He believed in Christ and gave his life to safe a family father in KZ.
The Bible is written by man, who is severely flawed & corrupted by greed & power. Alot of claimed christans (e.g. MAGAts and Repukes) are hypocrites!! They do not understand the teachings of Jesus, proved by lack of support of programs that help the poor and support giving billionaires tax cuts
Your religions are hilarious. The one you call Jesus was a brown skinned sandal wearing communist hippie who fed the poor, healed the sick and loved people even at their worst, asking for nothing in return but to be more loving like him. He was everything his followers hate. Truly baffling.
There are Christians like Jimmy Carter who do their best to follow Jesus' teachings. The problem is that the faux Christians get all the publicity cause true Christians have humility.
Why aren't the true christians chasing the faux ones out of church with whips? Why do they allow God's name to be taken in vain? A saying, btw, that means don't use God's name to sell a lie. The problem isn't publicity, it's the failure of true christians to defend their faith from parasites.
One reason that I can think of is that god is supposed to be all-powerful and will deal with idolators in his own good time. Another is that it's a sin to presume to know the mind of God. So we should not try to act for him.
Well.. In Bible times the King/Emporer/whatever often had a number of "Wives" and they were guarded by.. Well not exactly men but Eunics (Castrated men)
Now I know the so called experts say Rape is a POWER crime not a sex crime but.. How about we turn Rapists into Eunics.. No anesthesia allowed.
I erupting really love to see the claimed morality pressed. Make them define what morality is provided from religion. What specifically is immoral about the non religious. Make it clear what specifically gives them the level of superiority they claim.
Skyrocketing euthanasia rates in countries with free healthcare should be alarming. More preventive healthcare is needed. Vision Zero (safe roads) is a good start.
5 million Americans are injured by reckless drivers every year.
Unfortunately there are many countries where rape still
Isn’t even recognised. It sickens me when I hear some of the horrific accounts. Some, where the victim is actually punished. It transcends beyond religion, it’s also down to taught morals and behaviour. Sick minds should be shut down.
1. Verse 22 is talking about adultery in general, not rape. In the context of verse 22, both parties are at fault and must be put to death because they both agreed.
2. Verse 25 says that if a man rapes a woman, he must be put to death.
read Ezekial. has the most interesting analogy in it, comparing Israel to a young girl he's groomed for sex. he buys her jewels and fine linins, but all she does is fuck everyone else. Not even joking.
Morals, being based on Religion and Social Moray's are fundamentally flawed. They have been used time and time again to make otherwise good people commit atrocities. They have also been used to defend the indefensible.
Compare how other ancient cultures treated women, then look at the provisions for the victim in
29 .....and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
bearing in mind this is Jewish Law not Christianity
Without getting into a pissing match about literal interpretations, I think the message is that if you rape a woman, she becomes your lifetime responsibility to take care of.
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Like if a victim will be a man, that he will get compensation for that act then other man's will be so scared to commit a crime against other man's property...
Maybe a name for a Frank Zappa tribute album.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-gandhi-say-this-about-christians/
I guess I shouldn't be surprised given how many people claiming to be religious act.
a fight between two men and grabs a man by the testicles her hand gets chopped off- somewhere in Deuteronomy.
"Adultery is a greater crime than murder. The punishment for a murderer is beheading, not stoning, and even then, the murderer has the option of paying blood money (diyat)"
No way to find a breach in his faith
By biblical law, a rapist must purchase his victim.
Matthew 5:18 KJV
I've even seen the manuscript myself, in person. You can view it online here:
https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=34&chapter=16&lid=en&side=r&verse=8&zoomSlider=0
I never compare notes about religion, no debates, no discussions.
It’s all mythological bullshit,
None of it happened
Less validity than a comic book. Not one of those characters mentioned in either testament ever existed. No prophets, no gospels, nothing
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Don't forget early biblical humans lived several centuries, inbreeding did a number on humanity.
For a woman, adultery means betraying her husband.
For a man, adultery means sleeping with another man's wife.
The idea of a man being forbidden to betray his own wife would have mystified them.
"Against Man". The perpetrator is always the victim according to the perpetrator.
It has Mideast culture written all over it. The bible is nonsense
He claimed that there was only one sin, Murder is the theft of a life, Adultery was the theft of a loved one, etc.
Kinda like this idea.
jebus never existed.
Proselytize elsewhere
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022%3A20-21&version=NIV
Oil profits have spread similar insanity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro-Islam
A tiny fascist insurrection?
I’m sure they crucified thousands of Jews.
But ya, still doesn’t justify fairy tales.
But yes, not a fairy tale, before crypto and NFTs people just had faith.
And THERE WAS NO JESUS, ffs b
There are strengths and weaknesses to both approaches to religion.
Christians claim they observed god though.
Have you observed the bottom of the sea? The top of every mountain? Or do you trust in the word of others who have seen? Believe you eyes see what is and not what you wish?
Belief is fundamental to the human experience. Religion, ideology, etc. spring from belief.
If there was a god we’d have knowledge and wouldn’t require belief. Belief is for those who lack critical thinking skills.
Also worth knowing there's a lot of Leviticus/Deuteronomy that got cut for Christianity, so maybe they should look at the rest to see if it's up to par, engage with Scripture from a historical, contextual, and Jesusy standpoint
Fuck churches
The role of Women in all religions is subordinate. F*ck religion.
The common denominator is men. Men culturally subjugate women
All religions should destroy all versions of their holy books and it shall be illegal to print any more.
Let’s send religion underground!!
Plus Jesus is the interesting prophet, the rest were a bunch of madmen and weirdos.
Jesus, essentially, said if your eyes cause you to look at a woman as less than human then gouge them out.
The Bible has been in the hands of too many powerful people with evil motives to be a trusted source.
One of them for example Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He believed in Christ and gave his life to safe a family father in KZ.
Stay the fuck off my page.
But if you want it so *shaking the dust of the shoes and goes away* (as Jesus told us to do).
Sadly you're on a slippery slope if you believe there is a single definition of morality
Like many things, it soon becomes subjective
Now I know the so called experts say Rape is a POWER crime not a sex crime but.. How about we turn Rapists into Eunics.. No anesthesia allowed.
Thank God I live in Europe 😅
5 million Americans are injured by reckless drivers every year.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/type-of-crash/
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Isn’t even recognised. It sickens me when I hear some of the horrific accounts. Some, where the victim is actually punished. It transcends beyond religion, it’s also down to taught morals and behaviour. Sick minds should be shut down.
1. Verse 22 is talking about adultery in general, not rape. In the context of verse 22, both parties are at fault and must be put to death because they both agreed.
2. Verse 25 says that if a man rapes a woman, he must be put to death.
Ethics is what we need.
29 .....and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
bearing in mind this is Jewish Law not Christianity