Gov. Gavin Newsom of California said on Friday that the Democratic brand was “toxic,” saying his own party talked down to people and was stuck in an echo chamber as Democrats struggle in their fight against the Trump administration.
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Bad move, Gavin. You pandering puke. This is why union democrats left the Party and became Trumpsized. You may be more educated than some of these people but one thing is for sure, they can smell a phony a mile away. Look inward, boy. They left because of political bullshit like this.
Dems have become the party of the elite while trying to win favor with the ‘marginalized’. Self righteous superiority has become their MO. Newsom is a shame-filled joker.
@governor.ca.gov thinks because we correctly label fascists and Christian nationalists that we’re the bad guys of the story… wild to call the party fighting against literal concentration camps ‘toxic’
@governor.ca.gov, the problem with the Dems is its inability to make big bold promises that people can get behind, always making concessions and protecting the status quo. Why is it always the GOP doing some unprecedented? Why don't the Dems ever do something unprecedented?
I can’t stand Newsom and this talk with Bannon was nauseating, but he is correct on one point. Democrats will keep losing until they can talk to the white working class and address their concerns.
I am sure I will get beaten up for this, but all these comments are a great example of the Echo Chamber. We lost…as soon as I saw the “Harris is for They/Them” ad, I knew it was over. I will never not vote Blue, but we need to stop running the party like a Nonprofit.
@gavinnewsom.bsky.social , taking a page from MAGAt agenda: Projecting his own toxicity. As he is platforming and embracing Fascists' ideological goals. As if his end game is succession into the WH as the new face of Authoritarian Rule. Just, No.
The democrat message is awful if you’re a hate filled republican who believes even 1% of what the GOP/Maga is spouting.
So how do you keep the right message without changing the message? Agree with fascism! But just say fascist things more sing-song-y?
What a giant tool. Can’t wait for Gavin Newsom to quote Ronald Reagan when he announces his party switch with the infamous “I didnt leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me”.
Bro @governor.ca.gov your success came when you pulled more progressive. California rallied behind you as a result. Distancing yourself from your supporters is an interesting move. Why are you complying in advance? You’re losing my vote.
He's not wrong. He's also not the answer. The Dems have made a point of silencing any grassroot support. AOC is the future. I don't mean her being president, I mean connecting with people and speaking to their concerns. She is the leadership we need and others will emerge. It ain't Gavin.
With Newsom and Maher in charge we’ll end up with another Bill Clinton selling the working class down the river. Why is it considered “talking down to” white supremacists; homophobic and misogynistic “fellow Americans.” The truth hurts…talking to Kirk and Bannon…give me a beeping break!
There is a perception among voters that liberal democrats are incredibly toxic, and continued denial of this is harmful. These conversations are critical, because consensus among voters will save democracy. Losing is no longer optional, so let’s identify a unifying platform that we can win with.
Adopt a "concept of a plan?" LOL. That admission alone should've sunk him if it were about platforms. In NYC even black teens are attacking migrants and have always attacked gays so the GOP has found solidarity in hate. Conservatism is ALL about being allowed to wave one's hate flag proudly.Hate won
This is what you get when you want to be coronated by the for-profit private corporation Wall Street puppet DNC in 2028, & they tell you to show your allegiance by leaning right.
You get Republican light-
which means we’d get Trump 3.0
Time for a party redesign, with no DNC or Superdelegates
I cannot believe this disingenuous clown used the low Democratic approval rating as evidence of party toxicity and then goes on to cite cancel culture as the problem. He conveniently ignores the #1 reason why it’s so low - because Dem voters are fed up with ineffectual, calcified leadership.
Delayed reaction. Like with The French Laundry, he’s out of touch politically. This just fully forked his chances, slim and partially forked as they were.
So...supporting unions, climate change legislation, public schools, infrastructure investment, a living wage, paid family leave, affordable healthcare, freedom from religious oppression, choice, etc. is "toxic"? Then I guess he supports the opposite.
Is he joking? We've been demonized and called radical left lunatics for a decade and we have every right to be a little fucking over it and fight fire with fire.
BUT this is exactly what you would say if you have cast all your democratic values aside to try and appease the republican monsters (voters and electeds alike) for a presidential run.
That is one of the most dangerous things to say in this political climate. I don’t know where you live, but they sure are down here in LA, SD, and Orange Counties. And the party is way more divided, more disorganized and just as corrupt as the GOP.
Go to https://reformCalifornia.org then get off your ass.
And you doubled with assumptions about someone you know absolutely NOTHING about? My life? My work?
You need to tap in to real life. Social media has clearly twisted you.
He's right but...
Democrats aren't Liberals.
He's talking about litmus test Liberals and politicians afraid of the pitchforks.
He should have been more clear about that. THAT'S how you grow the Democratic party.
Both things can be true: what Trump and MAGA are doing is abhorrent and Dems lost for reasons they need to own—including the smug superiority that emanates from parts of the far Left. I say that as someone who’s been part of it and worked in it for over 30 years
Who's more smug than the GOP who feel the need to intrude on every aspect of our lives? Dems failed to sell the message that a guy who lives in a palace & a 5th Ave penthouse is as elite as it gets. Just by ur very use of that phrase, seen a lot on soc media, proves they don't control the narrative.
I can’t control the GOP or MAGA, but I do have influence on the Left. I work with organizers and activists nationwide, and I’ll do what I can to make sure we have a winning message to help build the power we need to win
Newsom already tried antagonising MAGA and clearly it didn't work in the last election. Tens of millions are in MAGA echo chambers, someone should try to get through to them. Newsom seems to have concluded there aren't enough voters on the left to win another election and I am worried he's right.
Exactly why Joe Rogan and his ilk MUST be neutralized. It would also help if the msm would stop being allowed to be bullied and stop selling themselves to Right leaning businessmen.
If standing up for marginalized people is toxic, I choose the toxin . I have no common cause with the MAGA and will follow my own conscience. The Democrats need to decide what they stand for. It's not talking down , that's just MAGA propaganda.
Exactly! It seems EVERY SINGLE smear the GOP labelled the Left with has stuck. "Smug" ,"Elitist", "Libtards", "Sleepy Joe", "Brandon"...all these things managed to go viral and the Left could never anything to stick on Teflon Don. In other words, the Dems BADLY need a great salesman like Clinton was
I’m a lot less concerned about the opportunistic shift of a career politician than I am about the absolute disregard for the rule of law, the plundering of our government by an unelected billionaire, and the fact that this administration is literally disappearing people off the street.
He’s the toxic one and I’m so disappointed. I wanted him to get the nomination in 2028, but not anymore. Very disappointed. His advisors also should be far away from party leadership and any future nominee. That’s some bad advice and how we got here in first place.
Rather than putting down his own party, it might be better to just admit errors in foresight and just move forward from there. Putting down people feels like playing the blame game and we've all had enough of that.
And yet taking down to ever single person ever (Republicans, Rinos, Women, POC, Allies) and labeling the entire Democratic Party the enemy of the state is doing wonders for Trump’s political career. This calls people in his own party human scum.
And that's precisely been why the Democrats have been getting trounced. Insteaed of embracing their Leftism, the Radical Rights shift further Right and the Dems, rathr than highlight their differences, shift Right which is seen as an admission that they're wrong. Of course that's backfired badly.
The amount of people on here mad about this is wild. I’m a Dem, voted for Harris and Biden and will probably vote for the next nominee but Dems are weak and pretty pathetic. We look like little bitches holding up signs at the SOTU or worrying about dumb pronoun bullshit. It’s okay to criticize.
Andy, come on out to where I live on the border of Missouri and Kansas, and meet some non-Republicans like me who live around here, and then you can tell me all about how I’m proving anyone’s god damn point. Whatever.
All you had to do was fight for democracy Newsom. Not embrace fascists or try to get us to understand how they “think”. That was it. The whole assignment. You failed. You can’t blame that on the “toxic Democratic brand” or the “echo chamber”. Want to hear toxicity? Listen to a Republican talk.
Yeah except he's pivoting to the right, which is not only the exact wrong thing the brand he's referring to failed to do themselves last year, but it's exactly why the brand is failing to begin with.
If he was serious about honestly critiquing them rather than careerist in his motives, he'd say so.
It's an accurate point, but not a very useful one. The Democratic Party fails because they don't offer any new ideas. They literally can't even get a floor vote on Medicare for all. They suck at the teat of corporate money just like Republicans. Their housing policy nibbles around the edges...
No kidding. The inability to see outside our own little world is killing liberals. But we can continue to pat ourselves on the back for talking down to people.
Indoctrination vs Critical Thinking skills. Their narcissism and guilt blinds them from looking inward. Even after all the yoga retreats and “zen” they claim to be.
And it happens on both sides. They scoff at Horseshoe theory because they can’t believe that they are no different than MAGA
For sure. I grew up in a rural conservative part of the country. They are bad as well - the amount of shit they support that is against their best interests is hilarious. But, to me, to be a good leader you 100% have to look at how to clean up your own shit first. That is goal #1.
The brand is toxic because it has cowards like Newsom leading it. Stand vigorously for something other than what a focus group tells you to stand for and that will change.
The majority of the comments here are ironically proving Newsom’s point. We have one party that has become a radical fascist personality cult and another that simply cannot stop devouring itself long enough to effectively fight back. This is why I’m an independent. Political parties are the problem.
What the fuck is he talking about? Republicans are literally yanking people off the street and tearing down the 1st amendment but Democrats are toxic. Fuck You!
No.
Bannon and Chuckie Kirk are gonna have their audience no matter what.
Newsom sitting down with them isn’t “platforming them” anymore than Fox News “platforms” Mayor Pete.
The two major hubs of the current Democratic Party are in CA and NY. The West Coast is owned by Silicon Valley and the East Coast by Wall St. We have this guy in CA and Cuomo clawing back from his political exile in NY. Money and hubris are terrible foundations for a party of the people.
F their side their side is wrong I don't want to listen to magats be racist losers Newsoms trying to con Republicans and doesn't realize how they blindly hate him and California being an opposition leader would have been a better route
The values are there. The messaging is horrible. Democrats never learned that politics is more than governing but learning how to run a cohesive public relations national and local effort.
The slicked back hair and buzzwords, making promises and then turning your back on the people that elected you to please donors, lecturing people instead of attempting to meet them where they’re at and showing authentic empathy… that’s the toxic part of the party.
Maybe if Liberals stopped this "they go low we go high" nonsense and stopped allowing the Radical Right to dictate the conversations (sorry, by the msm is NOT helping--see the NYT's glowup on Megyn Kelly, for example), join the 21st Century and use social media better, they just MIGHT have a chance.
Who is this guy, and what have you done with the REAL Gavin Newsom?! C'mon, how could this guy have done such a complete turnaround from what he used to exhibit?!
NEWSOM: Here, let me just aim a kick with the toe of my handmade Italian leather shoes at the belly of the Democratic donkey while it’s down and scrabbling.
Lost all interest in him. Not only lacking in forcefulness, but thinks going down the Fetterman path & prostrating himself to MAGA will work (it won't).
So what is the plan then? Do you spend much time talking to actual Republican voters? People want to hear how you will help them - not just rail against the other side.
LMAO!!! To Republicans. "They're eating all the cats! They're eating all the dogs" resonated more than "I want to help with your college loans." "I have a concept of a plan" resonated more than "We want to make homes more affordable." What's the point of talking to a Repug voter?
Exactly. Listen to these voters, whom we need to attract, & shape DEM policies to serve their interests. NOT cringe & demean the Dem Party, then pander to the racist/authoritarian side of MAGA.
I don't see Newsom as pandering. I see him figuring out why the other side won and his side lost. It's like sports. If you lose the first thing you should do is self-reflect. What did we do wrong? How do we get better? What did the other team do that we didn't?
its more like certain dems are being exposed to the leftist base they’ve been ignoring and getting triggered into embracing neo-liberalism’s authoritarian tendency towards collaboration with fascists. or he’s always been a douche 🤷♀️
Well, Marine Le Pen and her group voted in favour to codify the abortion in France just recently. And recently Wilders in Netherlands promised to save the secularism in the Netherlands.
Not all the far-right (collaborationist or active) are christo-fascists fanatics like in USA.
i'm definitely old enough to remember Ann Richards as the Governor of my home state at the same time Pete Wilson was the Governor of Calif. things change.
He’s pretty spot on. Cancel culture went a little far, and the people enforcing it were a small, loud minority. We have bigger fish to fry than whether someone gets a pronoun wrong. How about we socialize healthcare first?
Why didn't the populace vote for the party more likely to do this? Trans people make up around 0.03% of the population yet the GOP mananged to get everyone crazed against them. Blacks are a minority. Should Jim Crow return? Sometimes, esp in Amer history, majority rules is wrong.
Because the GOP created fake boogeymen out of these minority groups and it worked to stir up their bigotry. Apparently that was a more powerful motivator than basic human needs. I am very emphatic of these people, but we’re not there yet as a country as sad as that is.
And yes, I talk down to people who are toxic who are fucking with our rights, abducting college students, firing government employees for no good reason, burning down our institutions, and for being no good, uneducated bigots. There is no middle ground.
Part of the reason it’s toxic is because prominent Democrats are going around saying it’s toxic so people believe them. I wish democrats would stop fighting each other (in public anyway) and focus on Republicans. And FYI…republicans are losing special elections to democrats so it’s not that toxic.
I couldn’t stand this guy from the start. I voted for him, but something was never quite right. Now I know, he is Machiavellian as fuck. Only watching out for himself.
He`s right yet.... on the other hand, he`s sucking up to Steve Bannon and MAGA... he talks from both sides of his mouth; in that sense he`s imitating Trump.... so, when a topic comes up with divergent views, he can readily say: "You see, I was right"...
Newsom: you want to run for president? First shore up your own base rather than going on stupid right wing shows and bad mouthing Democratic policies which were spot-on.
Dems talk down to people? Have you listened to MAGAs? I don't think that's it. Here are the real issues:
- Young male voters are attracted to the fake machismo on the right.
- Whites are the majority of the electorate, and they see the Dems as representing minorities.
- Many people watch Fox News.
THIS, 1000%
I live, work, and play in city, suburb, and rural areas (all 3 are within 45 mins of me) and the same is true in all. Whites as a majority feel like the minorities are getting ahead.
Nope. Voter participation is at a low. It’s low because:
1. Most people recognize that Republicans are lying, hypocrites.
2. Democrats have reasonable policies. They don’t have the courage or competence to fight and fulfill.
3. MSM are either complicit or incompetent or cowardly.
I am not talking about actual policies. I am talking about image and branding. These are the perceptions. Furthermore, most GOP voters have no idea what Dem positions really are or why someone who isn't a minority would vote for them.
It's not the message, it's the messenger. Conservative media were able to twist and destroy anything positive the Democrats had to say. Taking a more conservative stance won't change that.
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The Democrats were not wrong - the people just made a bad decision in 2024 . Democrats should not assume America will make that mistake again
Democrats are too judgemental?
The Democratic Party doesn't need a California-style Neville Chamberlain.
When there's a binary choice between fascism and anything else, you don't shit on anything else.
Dems need to sit firm on a clear progressive platform, not play wishy washy politics with the opposition.
And what you’re doing isn’t “talking down”?! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
So how do you keep the right message without changing the message? Agree with fascism! But just say fascist things more sing-song-y?
Wow yay another cunt that I have to hate now.
Wow. Yay.
There. Fixed it.
You get Republican light-
which means we’d get Trump 3.0
Time for a party redesign, with no DNC or Superdelegates
I'm glad my first instinct was 100% right. Newsom as presidential candidate in 2028 means the DEATH of the Democratic Party.
Dems are so busy fighting themselves they’re LOSING to absolute SHITBIRDS like DJT.
His post-47 shift has me disliking him a great deal more
He’s finished.
Go to https://reformCalifornia.org then get off your ass.
Get more active politically.
You need to tap in to real life. Social media has clearly twisted you.
Democrats aren't Liberals.
He's talking about litmus test Liberals and politicians afraid of the pitchforks.
He should have been more clear about that. THAT'S how you grow the Democratic party.
Both things can be true: what Trump and MAGA are doing is abhorrent and Dems lost for reasons they need to own—including the smug superiority that emanates from parts of the far Left. I say that as someone who’s been part of it and worked in it for over 30 years
Be More Republican
Do you know what else is toxic? 95% of your podcast guests so far.
Do better.
Love, 50501SF
Get out of my party.
Don’t come back.
Republicans won’t want you, and you won’t win as an independent.
Bye, bitch.
Giving Nazis a platform?
Hard pass...
If he was serious about honestly critiquing them rather than careerist in his motives, he'd say so.
And it happens on both sides. They scoff at Horseshoe theory because they can’t believe that they are no different than MAGA
Just ⚖️ askin' 👈🏼 🇺🇸
Bannon and Chuckie Kirk are gonna have their audience no matter what.
Newsom sitting down with them isn’t “platforming them” anymore than Fox News “platforms” Mayor Pete.
FFS.
He was only in for the $$$ he could make from the brand
He never believed a word of it
His big cause was bashing the homeless. He beat the Green Party candidate for mayor with just 52% of the vote.
He adopted gay marriage as a cause only to shore up his support on the left.
Publicly bash your own?
He's right.
Y'all still ignorant.
Not all the far-right (collaborationist or active) are christo-fascists fanatics like in USA.
Considering Newsom's run off adversary was Green's Matt Gonzalez, who pushes a more progressive agenda took that flag. Newsom won by 52.81% in 2003.
Think for yourself.
They made it about a culture war: transgender and we didn’t make it about a class war.
You are a watered down Democrat for not fighting the class war so far.. piss off Newsom.
"French-laundry"! 🧺💨
Just ⚖️ sayin' 👈🏼 🇺🇸
But how do you not talk down to fascists?
He also vetos the wacky stuff
In politics it’s important to be popular and to do stuff
- Young male voters are attracted to the fake machismo on the right.
- Whites are the majority of the electorate, and they see the Dems as representing minorities.
- Many people watch Fox News.
I live, work, and play in city, suburb, and rural areas (all 3 are within 45 mins of me) and the same is true in all. Whites as a majority feel like the minorities are getting ahead.
1. Most people recognize that Republicans are lying, hypocrites.
2. Democrats have reasonable policies. They don’t have the courage or competence to fight and fulfill.
3. MSM are either complicit or incompetent or cowardly.
https://democracy.psu.edu/poll-report-archive/americans-not-only-divided-but-baffled-by-what-motivates-their-opponents/