The thing about these complete shitheads, and their many iterations of the “you’re not owed my vote, you have to earn it“ view, is that it’s premed on the idiotic assumption that you vote for a person to benefit *that person*. You do it to help OTHER PEOPLE you asshole. And you do owe it to THEM. - ThreadSky

edino.bsky.social • 6 days ago

The thing about these complete shitheads, and their many iterations of the “you’re not owed my vote, you have to earn it“ view, is that it’s premed on the idiotic assumption that you vote for a person to benefit *that person*. You do it to help OTHER PEOPLE you asshole. And you do owe it to THEM.

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"i want to help ensure trump kills literally 20 million people through ending pepfar and usaid"

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joyouspanther.bsky.social•6 days ago

Also, "harassed within an inch of our lives"

It's filling in a little bubble once every two years.

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

“Harassed” and it’s people on a site with robust blocking and muting tools making their own posts begging everyone to actually vote against fascism this time.

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

(And telling them to go fuck themself when they get in someone else’s face with a rant about how “voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil” NO YOU DIPSHITS ITS VOTING FOR *LESS* EVIL. Sitting out is functionally voting for more evil! )

edino.bsky.social•6 days ago

You can literally apply for a mail ballot online and you never have to leave your home. I know from experience, dude.

alantielrainne.bsky.social•5 days ago

That part, "you have to earn it". They want people to be dependent on their approval. The same mentality one sees in abusive and/or right-wing men.

tft.io•6 days ago

There is nobody more neoliberal than people who treat voting as a market relationship and not an act of solidarity.

tft.io•6 days ago

Privileging your feelings is toddler bullshit at the best of times and I think a lot of these types know this and their intense shame at their puerile behaviour is why they’re doubling down

anonlis.bsky.social•6 days ago

I’m in Portland (OR) and this attitude also seems to translate to expecting almost nothing material from local government. As long as they feel good about a policy, it doesn’t seem to matter at all whether the people they elect can or do actually implement it

aaronsofaer.bsky.social•6 days ago

My toddler was better at this than they are.

(Then the preschool years hit and she got worse. 🙃)

irrelevantaf.bsky.social•6 days ago

I think a lot horseshoe theory is BS, but it’s hard not to notice the parallels with MAGA on this point

moreyamsterdam.bsky.social•6 days ago

Not the most important point, but the fact that they called *other people* feckless shows a stunning lack of self-awareness.

c0ast3r.bsky.social•6 days ago

This is too common.

edino.bsky.social•6 days ago

“We should vote in ways that are most likely to help the poor, bc they are poor.” - me

“I dunno, have they EARNED it?” - guy who hates neoliberalism

tft.io•6 days ago

It’s all vulgar Calvinism all the way down

clockworkcanary.bsky.social•6 days ago

Can I ditch the calvinism and install harm reduction and community instead?

I am so tired of prosperity gospel and purity policing ruining everything.

tft.io•6 days ago

RETVRN to Catholic social doctrine (well, some of it)

jcc333.bsky.social•6 days ago

Guy who's only read Debord: "Getting a lot of spectacle from this"

countessemilia.bsky.social•6 days ago

📌

ndgree.bsky.social•6 days ago

Perfect

kiirdel.bsky.social•6 days ago

I mean, part of the idea is that they "earn your vote" by convincing you they will help other people. I think people are arguing past each other. I think that a lot of people in this fight have good intentions, and possibly bad strategy. I think each group thinks the other's strategy is sabotage.

kiirdel.bsky.social•6 days ago

For the record, I'm pretty sure I disagree with the screenshotted person. I'm not talking about them in particular. I fully intend to vote, my rep wasn't my choice, but he hasn't been rubber stamping Trump appointees either.

edino.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yes but they “earn” it so to speak simply by being less bad than the other realistic alternative. The issue is people acting like they have to be great to earn it. You owe it to the vulnerable to vote for the least harmful option.

solarpunk-auntie.bsky.social•6 days ago

The people who are owed my vote are not the politicians, they are my neighbors. I have a lot of sympathy for people who are cynical about our voting system, but even if it's just harm reduction, that's *something.*

sndavid.bsky.social•5 days ago

Well said. I didn't vote for Kamala Harris, I voted for my friends and neighbors, especially those the Republican party wants to endanger.

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

EXACTLY. I didn’t vote for Harris bc I love her personally and want her to get all the good things. I don’t know her, her personal career advancement isn’t remotely on the list of things I care about — EXCEPT as a side effect of voting to protect the rights of trans people, nonwhite people, women…

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

…etc. I voted for her because I owe it to my community and the world and frankly to myself as well to do the easiest fucking thing — filling in a bubble on a bit of paper and putting it in a box — to try to prevent fascism from destroying all our lives.

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

It had nothing to do with her except that she was the alternative option to having masked goons kidnapping brown people off the street and disappearing them, trans children being tormented by denying them even the basic dignity of a name they like…

redshiftsinger.bsky.social•6 days ago

…. poor people in Africa having their HIV medication withheld to save a dime for the wealthy to hoard instead, a dead black woman experimentally being used as an incubator against her family’s wishes and so on and so forth, the abuses of the trump administration are too many to list.

sprint6864.bsky.social•6 days ago

You aren't a Progressive at all, let alone an 'incrementalist'; you're a Neo-Con. Holy fuck, you are delusional

edino.bsky.social•6 days ago

I don’t care if you think that Kamala Harris is “feckless“. The children dying in developing countries won’t have a chance to choose be feckless or not, because they’re fucking dead, and you are neither owed nor have you earned your sanctimony.

browhocares.bsky.social•5 days ago

It's like the trolley problem, but dumber. Convenient that "pull the lever" is also an electoral expression.

redoubters.bsky.social•6 days ago

I've said elsewhere: If you look at a decision like "50,000 people die and I am morally complicit b/c I voted for the executive who oversaw it" vs "50,001 die and my hands are clean" and you choose the latter, you are putting your own warm fuzzies over a human life, and that is fucking monstrous

redoubters.bsky.social•6 days ago

And the difference with Harris was a lot fucking bigger than one life

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