Put another way: "leftists hate centrists and centrists hate the leftists, but *everyone* hates the Democrats". There are too many people that hate Trump and the Democratic Party's current approach for this to be sustainable. And Trump isn't going to change - ThreadSky

lxeagle17.bsky.social • 19 hours ago

Put another way: "leftists hate centrists and centrists hate the leftists, but *everyone* hates the Democrats".

There are too many people that hate Trump and the Democratic Party's current approach for this to be sustainable. And Trump isn't going to change

Reposted from Lakshya Jain

More convinced than ever that senior and elected Democrats might really be misreading the sentiment among their base, and that they could be caught badly flat-footed by their own voters very soon.

split-ticket.org/2025/02/21/t...

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romancaturday.bsky.social•19 hours ago

Yup. Democrats really need to figure out how to be fiery political moderates. It can actually be done, but they’ll need to actually listen to their base.

mayorseidel.bsky.social•19 hours ago

Heard this to the tune of "National Brotherhood Week"

koubitz.bsky.social•19 hours ago

Honestly people are going to find a reason to blame Democrats for everything one way or another. Too much pushback, too little pushback. It is Republicans and people who vote for Republicans that are causing all of this and people don't want to accept that because it makes them feel powerless.

lxeagle17.bsky.social•19 hours ago

It is *not* true that other parties were this badly divided in the recent past. Democrats in 2017 broadly liked their leaders. Congressional Republicans did not even have this bad of a reputation among their own voters in 2021.

This is actually pretty new.

max.is.a.cutie.fyi•18 hours ago

yeah

people aren't happy with what's going on

trumpists and similar are doing nazi salutes openly, destroying everything alarmingly fast, people want their leaders to move fast to counter that

leaders on the center/center left/left must have to understand that and go beyond lip services faster

anelson1818.bsky.social•17 hours ago

America is still at 50/50 for Trump approval. Dems are figuring things need to burn for any lasting lesson to take hold.

max.is.a.cutie.fyi•17 hours ago

it's not 50/50 (see quoted, that's recent)

people are moving faster than most democrats on polls because they are seeing the destruction by trumpists

anelson1818.bsky.social•17 hours ago

That’s Gallup- just one poll. The average of polls has him at + 1.5 still.

jgears4.bsky.social•17 hours ago

In your opinion, does this create an environment for a series of successful primary challenges against incumbent Congressional Dems?

flnicolie.bsky.social•19 hours ago

I just messaged both of my CA senators and my Rep to ask that they do more. I think that both the Senate & the House leadership are telling everyone to stay in line & the WH will bring itself down. While that might be true, the Dems are not representing our interests by doing nothing.

anelson1818.bsky.social•17 hours ago

Yeah, but at the same time- Dems should’ve voted. The turnout was horrendous.

dapomeroy.bsky.social•19 hours ago

How about Republicans circa 2008-2010 when the Tea Party started having an impact?

lxeagle17.bsky.social•19 hours ago

nope!

jasonfcclarke.bsky.social•12 hours ago

I don’t disagree, but so far I haven’t come across a post or article about a new Democrat challenger to a sitting rep or senator. But maybe it’s just too early.

decarboxy.chat•2 minutes ago

Its way too early

terrellwrites.bsky.social•19 hours ago

It seems like the solution is there in the piece you wrote, and it's staring Congressional Dems in the face, right? They want to see stronger pushback, and they want it now. (Or at least, don't make excuses.)

wowitschris.bsky.social•18 hours ago

yeah, i don't care about figuring out democratic ideology or factions right now (that'll be for when the new democratic majority is swept into offices in the future), i want dem leadership to know how to do rough & tumble partisan politics.

buildmore.bsky.social•18 hours ago

It seems totally self-evident that the way to unite the centrist and left wings of the Democratic Party is to go full force on the one key value they share - hatred of Trump.

Instead the leadership wants to negotiate budget amendments.

wowitschris.bsky.social•18 hours ago

it's not even that they're doing nothing... they're doing worse than nothing, they are sometimes casting votes to help things along!

if leadership thinks the WH will implode, they shouldn't be part of who gets blamed for it! if the WH wants to do harmful shit, don't actively help them!

wowitschris.bsky.social•18 hours ago

like even if you're a relatively conservative dem who thinks the status quo was OK and could've been improved by more tax cuts or something - everything Trump is doing is still bad and raiding the government and society! Doesn't matter your ideology, just fight for it!

ealluia.bsky.social•18 hours ago

I think total Trump opposition is correct on the merits, but I do not buy that it is a given that leftist opinion will swing towards Democrats based on it. A lot of contemporary leftist views are driven by conversation that occurs in spaces that algorithmically boost negativity towards Dems.

davidjorgonson.bsky.social•18 hours ago

Left wing *of the Democratic Party* corresponds to "libs" on here, and the moderate wing is mostly not on here

various-threnodies.bsky.social•18 hours ago

Hill Dems told voters that Trump was a unique threat to our democracy & we believe it even if they don’t. Biden going to the inauguration is the epitome of how out of touch Dems are right now

dwbeard.bsky.social•19 hours ago

Congressional Republicans had similarly awful ratings during a lot of the Obama era IIRC

lxeagle17.bsky.social•19 hours ago

not among their own voters, though, which is what I'm talking about

renure.bsky.social•2 hours ago

Part of this also is framing by the media. The media frames everything as Trump/Elon but not as the Republicans or GOP issue. Also locally there's a split between conservative GOP and Trump GOP

philwayne27.bsky.social•19 hours ago

This is not an ideology battle at all. It’s all about communication and the will to fight and not capitulate. It’s why people are gravitating toward on Jasmine Crockett and AOC.

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