Judges can, and do, overturn jury verdicts. The best bet is reasonable doubt. Which is doable with talented attorneys. Ones who don't have anything to lose with the federal government. Defense will likely need to be crowd sourced.
Nullification with regard to sentencing or nullification in the sense of “premeditated violent politically motivated murder is okay if I don’t like the victim and the prosecutor honks me off”? Because I know of many people who got death threats thanks to this little shitstain and he should rot.
It's not "politically motivated murder is ok if I don't like the victim", it's "politically motivated murder is ok if the political cause in question is worthwhile". That's a big difference. Most people are in favour of *some* politically motivated killing.
What’s the difference in your mind between not liking someone and thinking a cause is worthwhile? What if your murder doesn’t advance your cause but leads to thousands of innocent lives being threatened, as happened to ordinary insurance employees in the wake of this murder? Is that still okay?
I mean, not liking someone is completely different from a political cause. I don't know anything about the CEO as a person, I don't know if I'd have liked him or disliked him if we met. But his career was dedicated to the exploitation and immiseration of the poor, which I oppose politically.
And if Luigi gets off and goes free and you happen to fall on the wrong side of a cause from him, I assume you’re fine with being murdered yourself because he thinks it’s justified? You’re fine with anyone murdering you because they feel they have good reason? You’re fine with January 6?
When you say I support some killing so I must support all killing it makes as much sense as saying someone who supports some wars must support all wars; or someone who thinks using violence to, say, catch a thief must support all use of violence. Violence is sometimes justified, but the aim matters!
He's got the best defense attorney he could possibly have. She's a regular contributor to @meidastouch.com and she doesn't use this for clout!
I'm not convinced he's the person in the surveillance images. Even if he did it, I knew this regime was going to seek the death penalty which is too much
I don’t think a lawyer can expressly argue for jury nullification (I’m happy to be corrected on this point if I’m wrong). But if we spend the next year telling everyone we know about jury nullification, then maybe a jury will take it upon themselves to do it.
We need to sell massive amounts of t-shirts and inform every American of this power they hold to stop the State from governmental overreach IN ALL CASES - and malicious prosecutions. If we get 1 juror on every jury who can tell the other jurors during deliberations this is an option- we win!
I’m waiting for the insurance company lawyers to argue “this is company policy so you see, it wasn’t the CEO, so killing him doesn’t change the policy. This was not an activist murder because nothing would change, nothing has changed. It was just revenge in cold blood.”
I was thinking the opposite - because all insurance companies have the same policies (profits more important than life), a revenge killing is an act of terrorist to every leader in the health insurance industry.
A revenge killing cannot be an act of terrorism. It's personal. Terrorism must explicitly be linked to an act promoting a political or religious belief.
No the system tells defense lawyers they can't directly tell the jurors hearing the case about jury nullification. Best they can do is essentially tell jurors they should not go along to get along. Prospective jurors are supposed to know (be educated) about JN before they get to the courthouse.
The resources were huge spent to investigate and editorialize this case. The most dangerous outlaw? And now treated like his crime is more heinous than any other murder. And to be treated more so than mass murder? Reasoning is clear. When all value is monetary, the victim was worth a billion of us
Crusius's federal case was tried during the Biden administration's effective moratorium on seeking the death penalty, and he also had serious documented health issues that would have made it a hard sell legally anyway.
There's no specific legal entity that is "jury nullification", it's just a jury that returns an acquittal in the face of any evidence. If you tell people that you plan to do this, you'll get kicked off the jury.
Jury nullification because the punishment requested does not fit the crime. Death penalty for taking one life, allegedly, is not justified punishment. Historically many people have killed more than one person and not received the death penalty. Death penalty should be abolished completely.
A disproportionate punishment for a crime causing the suspect to "get away with it" is the fault of the state. Extreme punishment is inhumane even if the defendant is found not guilty because the threat of it was still there.
Can judges tell you that this is illegal? Went on a jury trial for a DUI and the judge started selection by warning the jury candidates that only the law applies and not opinions on said law (paraphrasing because it was awhile ago).
Justice is when a rich man that kills thousands for profit while being untouchable by the law is taken down by one man. Fuck your milquetoast, whey blooded justice.
In a civilised society the CEO wouldn't have been free to murder thousands of people and get rich from it.
And there's no path from this society to a more civilised one that doesn't involve systematic violence against our oppressors. We might wish it was otherwise but that's the way it is.
I don't give a fuck what you endorse. This isn't vigilantism. It's self defense. You wanting us to act under the rule of law that you remember from some 5th grade American History class is doing what the fascists want you to. You will defend "civilization" to its grave from your moral posturing.
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The system is rigged!
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/908/can-a-court-judge-override-a-jury-decision
https://fija.org/library-and-resources/library/jury-nullification-faq/what-is-jury-nullification.html
Again, almost everybody thinks killing is justified for some political goals. Nobody thinks it's therefore justified for *all* political goals.
I'm not convinced he's the person in the surveillance images. Even if he did it, I knew this regime was going to seek the death penalty which is too much
Because fuck this noise.
Get him for littering.
I was thinking the opposite - because all insurance companies have the same policies (profits more important than life), a revenge killing is an act of terrorist to every leader in the health insurance industry.
Patrick Crusius, who said he committed the racist attack because he though Trump wanted him to, murdered 23 people. No death penalty.
Curious. https://6abc.com/post/gunman-killed-23-racist-attack-texas-walmart-offered-plea-deal-avoid-death-penalty/16081592/
think of the poor orphaned stocks
Mangione kills a health care exec? Death penalty.
I’m staunchly anti death penalty, but it’s interesting whose lives are considered valuable.
https://bsky.app/profile/r5-to-philly.bsky.social/post/3llthnkwktk2n
I only really got behind killing the death penalty when I saw how it was actually used throughout it's history. Another Jim Crow-ass American law.
that murder – premeditated murder – is ok if we don't like the victim?
seriously? sounds maga-ish to me...
(however: death penalty for premeditated murder is not unusual in America.... lol...)
Also… Not unusual?
There’s 23 states that have abolished it completely.
Most others let white people regularly not get the death penalty for premeditated murder.
More likely to get Luigi vindicated.
I approve.
I'm against the death penalty in principle, but this was premeditated murder... he should get life no parole...
justice means you don't get away with murder because we didn't like the victim....
I agree about your sentiments about greedy private insurance cos... I've been railing against them for decades...
I still don't endorse premeditated murder..
And there's no path from this society to a more civilised one that doesn't involve systematic violence against our oppressors. We might wish it was otherwise but that's the way it is.
I can live with failing to punish the dude who went vigilante in that context.