we're going to get so much buyers' remorse - ThreadSky

unavaleable.bsky.social • 4 days ago

we're going to get so much buyers' remorse

“I feel so stupid, guilty, regretful—embarrassed is a huge one. I am absolutely embarrassed that I voted for Trump,” said Anderson, 30.
www.wsj.com/politics/pol...

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odense.bsky.social•4 days ago

The Brexitization of America continues on schedule.

fiftysixspecial.bsky.social•4 days ago

Let’s see if the pain is deep enough for the shame to last

jonnyv.bsky.social•4 days ago

Not embarrassed enough apparently, I'd carry that to my grave.

deepfriar.bsky.social•4 days ago

Good.

I don't care how much people bitch about it; we're going to need them. New beginnings can't be implemented without widespread approval.

That doesn't mean *working with them*; it means recognizing popular support is essential to a mandate and the implementation of meaningful change.

thesinnamom.gay•4 days ago

Good. I hope it eats these people alive for years. I hope the scar from touching the stove reminds them of why this cannot ever happen again.

littlemsunderstood.bsky.social•4 days ago

It's going to be like the Iraq War and Brexit.

Within a decade, no one is going to be "proud" of their support of this. Except of course for the people who believe Trump is god.

morsmortis.bsky.social•4 days ago

It’s so important to take advantage of this opportunity and hammer the message to these people that “The Democrats told you the truth and the Republicans lied to you”

shimmersoft.bsky.social•4 days ago

hard to convey the depth of my resentment toward the (admittedly small) group of people who consider themselves democrats but voted for trump because of RFK

sciencehippies.bsky.social•4 days ago

Even if we didn't buy it, we still get to pay for it.

unavaleable.bsky.social•4 days ago

also this confirms my priors that RFK did, in fact, swing the election

87zoolemons.bsky.social•4 days ago

My neighbor from Maine seemed chill. Into gardening & hydroponics, would play guitar & sing to his dog & chat with us. Then he just stopped and set up cameras everywhere & put out RFKjr signs, and I was like, "Oh. Hmm😐." Then RFKjr backed Trump and all I could think was, "Oh. Oh no..."

wienerking.bsky.social•4 days ago

I always suspected for a significant group of voters they assumed he was like the other Kennedy's and saw Trump working with him as a sign Trump was moderating and open to bipartisanship.

wienerking.bsky.social•4 days ago

As much as people on this site lose their minds when Democrats talk about bipartisanship swing voters love that shit so much.

They want some imaginary ying/yang government where the parties balance each other while in denial that's impossible with the GOP.

desiderratum.bsky.social•4 days ago

Dumbest fucking timeline..

mr-implausible.bsky.social•4 days ago

one of my "oh shit, we might not have this" moments was when my wife told me she had talked to an undecided black woman who supported RFK waiting in line to vote. tried to talk her into voting for harris but wasn't sure it worked.

jeffreyalexander07.bsky.social•4 days ago

A lot of the black women we knew hated Harris because of her support for abortion...so they must condone spousal cheating, lying and greed.

merovingians.bsky.social•4 days ago

the champion of the low-trust

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

At the risk of indulging in armchair psychology, I feel like this is the root of it all. They don't trust in the existence of either altruism or enlightened self-interest and assume any attempt at pro-social coordination is a scam, while also being easy marks for scams promising individual salvation

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

I can't stop thinking about a vocal RFK supporter I know who's also into crypto and real estate, bc the system is rigged and if you just learn this one weird trick, you can win the game

loudpenitent.bsky.social•4 days ago

It is horrifying that RFK is unequivocally the most successful third party candidate in the modern sense in American history.

Democrats should have purged the crunchy granola woo crowd long ago.

roland.cros.by•4 days ago

every time I pay attention to my surroundings at Whole Foods now, I’m like, ohhhhhh yeah I shoulda seen this coming

danlehner.bsky.social•4 days ago

I fucking hate the low-trust health thing so much, man, just a conduit for the worst people imaginable via a Trojan horse of soft, organic vibes

crepuscular.bsky.social•4 days ago

Does anyone know anything contemporary written about low trust people and groups? I feel it's connected to so many things.

danlehner.bsky.social•4 days ago

haven’t read this yet, but sort of putting it down here as a marker:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/17/eva-wiseman-conspirituality-the-dark-side-of-wellness-how-it-all-got-so-toxic

crepuscular.bsky.social•4 days ago

Thank you!

racerxmachina.bsky.social•4 days ago

Not written, but the Maintenance Phase podcast has a few related episodes.

crepuscular.bsky.social•3 days ago

Oh, cool. I already had that on my list.

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

+1. Conspirituality also has a couple relevant episodes too. There's a book by the same name but it's about the wellness to fash pipeline more generally

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

"Don't you think we should be eating healthier as a society" and it's like - that isn't his fucking deal! We're humans. We're not meant to consume cow's milk raw. It's all so stupid. And that's without touching the obvious bad health outcomes of everything else he advocates.

nafnlaus.bsky.social•4 days ago

I watched one of his videos, where he was railing against tartrazine, and oh God, it's exactly the sort of thing that appeals to the worst low-information voters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_OjKe4BuDE

It's a chemical!
It's from coal tar!
SLUDGE! POISON!
People are intolerant to it! It's killing us!

nafnlaus.bsky.social•4 days ago

And then you look up the numbers, and it's 1 in every 360000 people have a tartrazine intolerance, while for his alternative, tumeric, it's much, much higher. And all of his other health claims are much stronger against turmeric than tartrazine.

But no, turmeric is NATURAL, and thus GOOD!

nafnlaus.bsky.social•4 days ago

It's just the worst kind of woo, but slickly presented and all the right buzzwords.

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

It's like the Covid vax caused heart issues in 1 in 10,000 young men whereas Covid itself caused it in 1 in 500 young men. "See, the vax is worse! Natural immunity is better!"

When people argue for "natural immunity" they're saying, "I am a fucking idiot". The objective is to avoid the illness!

bagofbleeps.bsky.social•4 days ago

You saw what happened when Michell Obama tried to ask people to eat healthier.

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

"She'll want to send you to the camps to force you to eat Broccoli" while RFK literally suggests sending kids who take anti-depressants or ADHD to literal camps. What type of sick monster tries taking anti-depressants away from depressed kids! To think he knows better than the doctors. It's so evil!

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

To put a juvenile on SSRIs isn't a mild step. It's usually the result of other treatments not working. The parents in those cases are desperate for help. And this mother fucker thinks he knows best. He can just step in and say, "let them spend a summer on a ranch without screens". Go fuck yourself!

danlehner.bsky.social•4 days ago

*if* he was genuine in his health intentions, he’d be attempting to do it in an administration that is likely setting back capacity to do such things by about a decade

joewv.bsky.social•4 days ago

RFK supported whatever paid his bills. He grifted off the crunchies until grifting off anti-government evangelicals paid better. He doesn’t believe any of the horse shit he touts. If he thought he could get $20,000 a pop speaker fees off advocating for smoking crack, he would do it

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

I respectfully disagree. He's a grifter but he's an ideologue. He believes his bullshit. I wish he could be bought off. But he's been consistent on over the past 20 years on vaccines and spreading debunked conspiracy shit.

joewv.bsky.social•4 days ago

I can’t really can’t say his true intentions but he has been raking in money on it for 20 years. I think it is telling though that when he was working with one of his venture capital buddies at Vantagepoint,he was promoting environmental projects that almost every other environmentalist opposed.

unavaleable.bsky.social•4 days ago

crunch granola to fash pipeline is so real

minionofmidas.bsky.social•4 days ago

Honestly remarkable and relevant that it took so long

millhousebooty.bsky.social•4 days ago

spot on - we are a “self help book” obsessed nation. 25 yrs of Oprah & co telling us to ‘do our own research’ instead of voting.

alissakmclean.bsky.social•4 days ago

This 💯

elliottperkins.bsky.social•4 days ago

woo-woo to wingnut

unavaleable.bsky.social•4 days ago

and just awful

aiyaruk.bsky.social•4 days ago

and the worst part is that the crunchy granola part often starts as a response to some pretty legitimate grievances with the medical system, which should be addressed anyway! even as someone who is well-read and very pro-science, dealing with medicine as an AFAB person is heinously frustrating

aiyaruk.bsky.social•4 days ago

even putting aside issues of 'it's all in your head', there's just... not research on a lot of things that have pretty substantial qol implications. like, i have t2 diabetes. my blood sugar gets fucky when i'm on my period. there is zero research on this or how i can manage it.

differentperson.bsky.social•3 days ago

the low-trust is earned and on us as a country for embracing a death cult adherence to abominable economic practices. self-inflicted.

so many otherwise reasonable people looking to fucking RFK Jr. for help is so disheartening.

jeninmotion.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yup. The week before my period (before my hysterectomy) I can look at food and have a blood sugar spike

countessemilia.bsky.social•4 days ago

I remember when Jon Stewart asked Jonah Goldberg (who wrote Liberal Fascism) to defend his claim that organic food was fascist. We all laughed.

The crazy thing is, Goldberg was right, just for the exact opposite reason he claimed.

countessemilia.bsky.social•4 days ago

Goldberg said organic food is fascist because it makes people think of themselves as part of social groups, not as individuals.

In fact, organic food is fascist because it promotes distrust in scientific progress and distrust in the government.

snelson3.bsky.social•4 days ago

As someone who used to tutor and babysit in Marin County, I can confirm just how terrifyingly real this is.

holgate.permanent.red•4 days ago

It’s strange to say this because of Wakefield but the UK broadly had low tolerance of quacks and cranks bc NHS while the US super-tolerates quacks and cranks bc the American healthcare system.

holgate.permanent.red•4 days ago

Like, the quack presence in the UK pre-big-internet was Vernon Coleman posting ads in papers, but when I moved to the US I was like “fuck me there are a lot of very rich quacks here.”

holgate.permanent.red•4 days ago

“Regulate supplements” goes with “allow direct car sales” in the post-fascist settlement.

leftinfighter.bsky.social•4 days ago

RFK appeals to people who don't really know much about their world, but love coming up with theories for how they think things work, and being validated as an independent minded person who's intellectually shoulder to shoulder with actual experts. The Dems need to learn how to flatter stupid people.

blobodelendaest.bsky.social•4 days ago

The liberal wine mom to Qanon pipeline is quite direct. Facebook and Lockdowns radicalized so many. We'll be dealing with the after effects of it for the next 25 years.

jarekfa.bsky.social•4 days ago

Liberal wine moms vax their kids and protest against this shit. It's one of their most animating concerns. You take care of your kids and then you enjoy a nice glass of wine to unwind. Can't really unwind when your kid is suffering from whopping cough though.

mamafrogg0.bsky.social•4 days ago

they almost lured me in when my son (first child) had febrile seizures after the MMR vaccine. damn del big tree

peeinian420.bsky.social•4 days ago

You are mistaking wine mom for crunchy granola types

nickwidzowski.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yeah, I think you’ll often see them as cousins or siblings but they are usually a distinct group.

matthewraskob.bsky.social•4 days ago

Liberal wine mom-adjacent, but different, more likely to have been a Bernie voter of the Tulsi Gabbard variety. Even more important are the infrequent or non-voters who are really activated by this stuff.

blobodelendaest.bsky.social•4 days ago

Agreed. The type that got screwed by the GFC but made it through, while being angry about it and wanting change, and not liking the effect of corporations on society. And then the moms went pastel Qanon, and the husbands starting listening to David Goggins and the Liver King

aolgrandpa.bsky.social•4 days ago

We spent too many years humoring and placating the woowoo types because we didn't want to lose their votes

vizslaspgh.bsky.social•4 days ago

Woohoo types.
That’s the bomb.

petermcunningham.com•4 days ago

anecdotal, but I live in a *very* blue neighborhood and the only people with Trump signs in their yard also had pro-Kennedy signs. like, all of them

inkro.bsky.social•4 days ago

Think that's been the thought for a good while now from those looking at the numbers

4863media.com•4 days ago

there's a very chatty lady in my neighborhood who is always quick to complain about republicans but right after the election she said something to the effect "but I hear RFK is going to focus on making our food healthier, so I guess that's good" and I about had a stroke

plankysmith.bsky.social•4 days ago

Ugh. But probably right. Which makes it even worse, lol

betzny.bsky.social•4 days ago

Anecdotally, I know a lot of people who cited him as the thing they were most excited about when voting for Trump. (I do think most of them would have voted for him anyway, but I think he took it from a "I would never vote Dem" thing to a "I'm optimistic about the changes he'll bring!" thing)

hootboots.bsky.social•4 days ago

I don’t think there’s any evidence for this

devon123.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yeah he was polling over 5% and even half of that that was more than enough to swing it.

theloaraxe.bsky.social•4 days ago

Didn't see many pro-Trump displays in urban PNW. Saw too many insane old ladies with RFK signs to count.

pnwklew24.bsky.social•4 days ago

Even the drive to Wenatchee this summer had fewer large Trump signs, but I definitely saw a bunch of RFK stickers on cars.

blugattus.bsky.social•4 days ago

a huge Trump banner off I-5 between Bellingham and Blaine got taken down recently after being up since around 2019. I’m guessing buyer’s remorse

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

On top of logical fallacies and general hostility to science and government, US wellness culture encourages hyper individualism, consumerism, and fear of contamination, which makes it a perfect fit for fascism

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

There's no need for public health measures or regulation if you can prevent illness by buying more supplements. Sick and disabled ppl brought it on themselves, and we have to keep Those People out of our communities to prevent communicable disease, or worse, unhealthy lifestyles

mc2x.bsky.social•4 days ago

Fascism relies on the promise of simple solutions to complex problems. If no one has tried those solutions before, then they must be corrupt stooges soon to be removed by The Leader. Eating fruits and veggies is simple, so who needs medical research or health insurance? They're just corporate shills

lmaojank.bsky.social•4 days ago

Im sorry lmao she's horrified about the deportations lol what he's been saying he'd do that since he first ran for prez in 2016.

desiderratum.bsky.social•4 days ago

When the dust settles from all of this we need scores upon scores of studies of the sort of media environments these people were living in

scdallav.bsky.social•4 days ago

She's an RFK Jr. supporter, she's just stupid to the point of being evil.

scdallav.bsky.social•4 days ago

Antivaxers are hostis humani generis and need to be disposed of as such.

scdallav.bsky.social•4 days ago

They offer up children as blood sacrifice to the screaming monkeys that live in their brains.

csandbot.bsky.social•2 days ago

MAGA fell for Don’s con. They stupidly thought electing Trump would bring back pre-pandemic economic conditions. You can’t go home again.

retiredpatriot.bsky.social•4 days ago

"I am for the comet and the jobs it will bring." Right on up too impact.
#DontLookUp

cooperddd.bsky.social•4 days ago

It’s so great to know that the stupidest people alive who put us in this mess regret their vote. I hope they carry this shame until they die

zen1den.bsky.social•4 days ago

Yeh I’m not giving into Dems told ya so” self satisfaction.

Wake me when they call their senators/congressional reps to complain & join a protest.

Otherwise, better than even odds these “low info voters” give up on 2026 elections. Saying ‘Not my thing’.

theloaraxe.bsky.social•4 days ago

Give it 10 years, and the "recalled vote" figures will have Harris putting up Assad numbers in 2024.

mikedavis.bsky.social•3 days ago

I am glad that person has made that change, I might have trouble with her in real life, but in the abstract, I can welcome her to the coalition.

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