ATM, it doesn’t matter which party affiliation one has. The Democratic Party is no longer listening to the people. So let’s pick those leaders who are listening to people.
It does not matter what party they belong to, if they are of the opinion that Trump is a danger and allowing him to continue to dismantle our democracy is bad. If they are saying that publicly, they are our likely our allies. If they have a D next to their name doesn't always makes them our allies.
Non mais il ne pourrait pas aider ? Je suis européen et je ne connais pas et ne maitrise pas toutes les subtilités des partis aux États-Unis 🇺🇸 C’est pour sa que je vous pose la question si Sanders sans être démocrate ne pourrait tout de même pas s’associer à eux pour créer une certaine force et
pouvoirs s’opposer avec plus de poids face a cette administration et pour représenter au mieux les électeurs démocrates qui demandent de l’aide et de ce battre pour eux
I don't like labels because, as we have seen for years, people have assumptions what each label means, so they judge you on that. We need to focus on ideas and policies "For The People", and all the people above are doing that. This is survival now. Positive people intent is what matters.
Neither am I!
35+ yr registered R, NEVER MAGA!
I'll switch to NPA eventually.
C'mon, I fell for Trickle Down.
Never voted strictly party.
But, Dems are and have always been
FECKLESS!
That's why I love Crockett and Saunders and Pritzker!
They have FECK! ✌️
I'm not a democrat. I follow Noam Chomsky and Chris Hedges, whom I consider some of the greatest intellectuals of modernity, in the pursuit of social anarchy and other hybrid systems. The dems are part of the status quo that created the conditions for poor health and demagoguery. ❤️
You follow Chris Hedges? A liar and a plagiarist? A man who 'reported' on Cornel's PP candidacy without noting the he - CH - put it together & was supposed to be the running mate until CH's wife said "NO"? Noam stands up, Chris just lies - and he was the first NYTer to falsely link Iraq and 911.
In 2009, his book 100% predicted the rise of a demagogue who would be harnessed by the Christian far right and would be used to pick apart the constitution. His books have been ripping apart American imperialism and corruption for 2 decades and predicted everything that has come. Guy is prophetic.
Oh, he's a prophet! By 2009, that book had been written forty times in English since the start of this century. In fact, if BUZZFLASH was still around, you could find the forty books that preceded EMPIRE OF ILLUSSION as BUZZFLASH premiums. And don't forget Gore Vidal's essays. Serial plagiarist
Still, the democrats being the ruling oppositional party makes it diverse, with some on the right in the party, and even anarchists will support it for political purposes. Bernie is still representing the democrats and works under them and the DNC. That is the point.
The DNC is all about ideology, specifically liberalism. I've been against both parties for 20 years, and have conceptually supported the lesser evil while being infuriated that we permit evil in any form. ie, the genocide in Gaza or Obama drone striking innocents in Yemen/Pakistan. Ideology matters.
Be ware… Hedges HIMSELF BLEW IT in the lead up to the 2024 elections when he spent more time FEARMONGERING over what Harris MIGHT do while IGNORING what we KNEW Trump had in store. Hedges hands are NOT clean
So, Bernie can't, but Schumer can? That's some messed up logic there. Right now I'd say Bernie aligns better with the Dems, and Schumer aligns closer to the GOP.
You're playing stupid semantic games to prove a point you think I disagree with because I recognize that Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat and cannot be Democratic Party Leadership as a result.
Make sure to continue following rules that others don’t. Trump himself is not a republican and he has been accepted as their person of the moment. God forbid a democrat recognizes the historical moment and drops the act of liberalism to accept the strongest left candidate in this country.
And no you don’t deserve words with your little one liners of party purity. No one gives a shit about the party and are ready to drop it asap. Party loyalists make my skin crawl so yea you get doofer memes cuz that’s you, dumb and lame
Yes, saying "our party" and showing four prominent members of the Democratic Party clearly means the Republican party. Come the fuck on with this bullshit. It's the Democratic Party they're talking about.
It's not the Republican party, but the Dems are going through some changes, and a lot of people make distinctions between various factions and alignments. It's not even a single legal structure. I ought to know: I'm a member of a city Dem committee and everything.
Cool. We don’t give a fuck. If Bernie runs, he will get our vote. We aren’t going to let him be fucked over again because corrupt democrats also want to have some cake. We are fed up and ready to die for something we believe in.
It's not that it does or doesn't "matter". It's just what it is.
He's simply just not part of their party, it's nice that he's extended good faith to them and endorsed their candidates over the years, but that doesn't make him one of them.
independents around the country so that by now there would be a bench to pull from for state level independents, so that in the near future again we'd have .ore independents like him to pull from for national Congress with enough recognition thanks to being associated with him over the years.
Since you want to be a pedantic clownass who cares more about the word "Democrat(ic)" than effective opposition of fascism, please highlight the word "Democrat(ic)" in the original post for us.
Right but it's just that these not a democrat. With how popular he is, I've been thinking about why he hasn't spent the past 10 years working on a Democratic Socialist party and uplifting local leaders at the municipal level to help build some momentum to have more leverage against the Dems, as well
as start to build a bench of upcoming, younger, leftist politicians to eventually populate the state and national party. But he hasn't done any of that sadly and it's made me sour on him a bit lately. I love the guy and wish him the best, but I think he failed to leave the legacy we needed from him.
I may be missing the right wingers comments' since I'm subscribed to all the mass block lists but the leftists I see here seem to be missing the point like you're insulting him instead of just saying a pretty simple fact
Sure he can, he’s fighting for all of us no matter the party!
I see the warm welcome from R’s where Democrats are holding town halls in red districts.
Their own representatives are snubbing their constituents. Big mistake in their part!
Yeah I mean replacing the entire democratic leadership with people who technically aren’t even democrats is one of the only things that could maybe keep them from going the way of the Whigs at this point
The ppl in there now don’t seem to know these are the stakes. Or else must be okay with the prospect of the Democratic Party ceasing to meaningfully exist, so long as they’ve got an exit strategy* lined up.
He is still an Independent and does not even refer to himself as a Democrat, instead he calls himself a Democratic Socialist. Yes, I wish that he would form a party, but that's all imagination at this point.
We don’t have time for a new party. The American people are confused enough with just two parties. Soon, hopefully, they will realize that they have been screwed by the Republicans and turn to the only other contender in the fight. That realization will be difficult enough for them to comprehend.
That’s right!!
No time to form a new party! We need to focus on fighting before it’s too late and Bernie is one of our biggest weapons, he’s always fought for we the people! And not just for the democrats and independents! Everyone!!
I see your point. The idea of a third party seems so civilized and democratic. Something from another age. It seems we may be far past that. To succeed quickest, a party would have to already have some infrastructure, a clear platform & a leader(s) around whom to coalesce. WFP & Bernie? AOC? Walz? 🤷🏻♀️
I was registered Green Party from 1996 to 2016 and only switched to Dem to vote for Bernie in the primary, so, literally, Bernie being a registered Dem was never a qualifying consideration for why I thought he was the right person to lead the party.
(I also didn’t vote in swing states that decided elections, so my 3rd Party disdain for the democrats and DLC co-opting Reagan-Bush with Clinton’s Third Way didn’t affect national outcomes.)
It doesn't say "Democrats" it says "our party leaders" I think the person posting this probably meant Democrats, but I think a lot of previously self-proclaimed Democrats are seeing this & relating because we're pretty ready to abandon Dems & make something new with actual meaning & some backbone.
Unless they are talking about a 3rd party, it is the Democratic Party being referred to.
I love what Bernie stands for, but he should have run 3rd party in '16.
Yep. The Republican Party is permanently cemented as fascist. The Democratic Party is incompetent. Right now, I see Fascist or Anti-Fascist. You'll play (I'll be dead by then) the left v. right game later.
To point out that Bernie isn’t a democrat and therefore can’t lead the Democratic Party implies that you think we’re talking about the leadership of the actual party. We’re not. A new party is emerging quickly where Bernie and these 4 other leaders will become prominent. Hope that helps.
No, you obstinate shitstain, you'll see that even without that he's been a leader in the party for 10 years. Or, you wont, bc youre an imbecile, other ppl will
of course he can. perhaps you don’t remember which ticker he ran on in two presidential primaries. jfc what’s wrong with you. go lick Schumer’s crack, dude
Screw the party name. We need a coalition across “party” “race” “gender” “nationality” and shoe size. If you believe in freedom and kindness and eliminating billionaires then let’s be allies.
He can be their mentor. I am sure they would all name Bernie as one they have learned from.
I am not sure the dems are the future.They are not showing their leadership very well, are they? Maybe all the strong leaders need to form their own party. They are not being backed very well by their party.
Right. Bernie is 83. It’s great that AOC is joining him on his tour because as great as he is, it’s not wise to plan for Bernie to be a long term leader.
To be fair, we could do “weekend at Bernie Sanders” and his inanimate corpse would probably mount a more effective opposition than D leadership has so far
The movement IS absolutely 100% thanks to Bernie. I have his action figure on my desk. Love him. But he is 83 & has said he won't run again (and, in fact, isn't a Dem, which totally works for him, but it means he can't lead the Dem party). The ones pictured here are great torch-carriers.
Democratic Party Leadership has nothing to do with being a leader. It has to do with being a member of the Democratic Party and being in a position that says you lead.
Here we disagree. I hold that leadership is something bestowed, but something people bring to the table, & Bernie brings it in spades. Look at his crowds!
And Bernie is Democrat enough to have done well in Democratic presidential primaries.
Bernie is the only Democrat in congress I have total faith in. But there's plenty of others I have a lot of faith in, AOC, Omar, Tlaib, and Walz being among them. My hope is that Pritzker is a class traitor like FDR, but I need to see it to believe it, I don't trust anyone with money.
Normally, I feel the same way. But after watching Sinema, Manchin, Fetterman, Schumer, Menendez, Eric Adams & countless others, sell us out.. I have to reevaluate what matters.
FIGHT, that's what matters. The willingness to stand up and push back. That has to be my new metric.
He is an Independent, as am I.We both have enough common sense to know which of the 2 national parties to support. Neither of us have a need to be part of the "group" to know what party is actually supporting everyone, not just the.2% wealthiest. Why do you appear to have a problem with that?
Bernie Sanders not being a Democrat is why Bernie Sanders is the leader of the Democratic party's voters. He's the only one advocating for Democratic values without compromise.
The party members, most notably in the leadership, are not reflective of Democratic voters.
they held the POTUS, House, Senate…yet failed to even raise the minimum wage. because they (Democrats) voted against it themselves. but they voted for the republican CR. that’s the democrats. that’s why they’re losers and can’t ever compete with republican unity. they aren’t much to be proud of
Bernie is sometimes a Democrat. He calls himself an Independent, but he did seek the Democratic Party nomination for President in 2016 and 2020. He didn't not run as a 3rd-party candidate.
Just stop. We're talking about real leadership, not necessarily "official leadership." Who we trust listening to. Who is doing the work. If you want to cling to your official party stuff.. he only needs to change his status, like he had in primaries. Now that we cleared that up, can we move on..?
No, that's the problem. The topic is the Democratic Party's Leadership. That's what is being discussed. Nothing else matters about feelings or what we ideologically want. You all keep going back to arguing a point I never made.
That’s only what’s being discussed because you keep discussing it ad nauseam. The original post says “our party leaders.” It doesn’t say “The Democratic Party’s leaders.”
“Our party” can be interpreted any way we please and many of us only identify as Berniecrats.
It's being discussed because that's what the original post was about. Thus that's what's being discussed. What y'all want to discuss is a different point. I'm getting really fucking bored explaining basic shit to y'all. I'm done.
Our party leadership. As in identifying those who are actually already leading us. It isn't about one particular leadership position, as the ones pictured in OP are in different sectors of government. Adults here are discussing who we trust to take us where we need to go. Enough with your semantics
The fecklessness of the corporate wing of the Democrats & its inability to adopt bold measures to address growing income inequality has led me to consider becoming a Social Democrat.
Democratic officials not up for the fight to save our democracy need to consider stepping aside for a new generation
Right? And, if he hadn't been such a misogynist shitheel to Hillary NONE of this would have happened. He's always been a blowhard who never actually gets anything done.
Nobody cares about party anymore. Party doesn't care about US.
The two party system we have in place absolutely helped us get where we are, and that's NOT a good thing. Bernie may not be a Democrat, but he is, and has always been, FOR THE PEOPLE. We need leaders who care about the people they rep.
No. We might elect democrats into positions in Congress, but we can also elect independents, too, who only want what's right for the country. Our leaders don't have to be democrats - they need to be those who believe in the Constitution and doing things for the good of the people.
Well, not as much as the other politicians seem to be. His criticism of an actual genocide being committed by Israel with US help, has been rather muted though, don't you think?
His -rhetoric- has not been defined and clear in the crime of genocide nearly as much as it should be. But he's also been crystal clear against arming Israel without conditions for decades. No one doubts what side he's on. But leaders aren't gods. If you find one that is perfect - you have a problem
tbh, he is. Yes he's registered independent. but that is where the differences really end. I'm a registered Democrat and I agree with like 90% of what he says. Plus Sanders caucuses with Senate Democrats.
I’m usually pretty close to 98%. I haven’t heard many missteps from Sanders and can play clips of his from 40 years ago and still nod along. I’m 56 and my views have been on par with what Bernie’s been saying since at least Iran-contra when I was 17 years old.
Respectfully, none of that matters right now. We are 2the point where a madman is trying 2 take over the & another madman is helping 2steal us blind, while a bunch of psychopaths are helping. The government groups as we knew them are having any control taken away. We might nvr hv parties again.
He caucuses with the DNC. This kind of thinking is what led to them to steal the primaries for Hillary, specifically, and the type of fractured navel having that keeps anyone to the left from winning.
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We had better learn to honor liberal leaning Independents of all stripes. The stakes are too high not to.
Those are absolutely great voices, but relatively new to the national and party news cycles.
Can you change my mind on that?
35+ yr registered R, NEVER MAGA!
I'll switch to NPA eventually.
C'mon, I fell for Trickle Down.
Never voted strictly party.
But, Dems are and have always been
FECKLESS!
That's why I love Crockett and Saunders and Pritzker!
They have FECK! ✌️
I wonder, if we analyzed everything you ever did, what smears could be used against you to discredit 100% of your voice.
I don’t pay attention to Chris Hedges enough to even have an opinion of the guy or his views.
It's defenders of democracy not Democrats. Schumer is allegedly a Democrat, but he's not a defender of Democracy.
Just like he should have been the Democratic nominee for president in 2016 and 2020.
Walz has stepped up his game. Hopefully he learned his lesson after letting the idiots in the Harris campaign effectively silence him.
He's simply just not part of their party, it's nice that he's extended good faith to them and endorsed their candidates over the years, but that doesn't make him one of them.
I wish he'd spent the last decade uplifting local
#StillSanders
I see the warm welcome from R’s where Democrats are holding town halls in red districts.
Their own representatives are snubbing their constituents. Big mistake in their part!
^^^that’s pretty much where I think we need to be on support for leadership at this point.
*(Trump toadie, controlled opposition, and/or quiet retirement on insider trading proceeds)
As long as the democrats continue to chase corporate donors, they will leave this niche open at their peril.
We need an opposition party that can be more financially independent.
No time to form a new party! We need to focus on fighting before it’s too late and Bernie is one of our biggest weapons, he’s always fought for we the people! And not just for the democrats and independents! Everyone!!
I don't give a shit about your history when all you've done is whine at me that words don't mean what you want them to.
Old
Pricks
https://ballotpedia.org/Closed_primary
I love what Bernie stands for, but he should have run 3rd party in '16.
You’re talking about leadership. An organic movement that is now being formed and in doing so needs positive reinforcement.
Leaders, not parties. Then let it evolve into something. 🙏
Let ideas flow.
Oh, right, no.
I am not sure the dems are the future.They are not showing their leadership very well, are they? Maybe all the strong leaders need to form their own party. They are not being backed very well by their party.
https://workingfamilies.org/2022/03/were-standing-with-the-squad-in-2022/
Leadership consists of leading, not being named leader
Bernie is great he's just not a Democrat.
And Bernie is Democrat enough to have done well in Democratic presidential primaries.
Deny Bernie's leadership at your peril.
Stop the BS we are a 2 party system
FIGHT, that's what matters. The willingness to stand up and push back. That has to be my new metric.
The party members, most notably in the leadership, are not reflective of Democratic voters.
And came
from New York.
Our loss
country’s and Vermont’s gain.
Can we stop acting. What Republican BERNIE VOTING FOR.
STOP THE INDEPENT.SH....T GET ON BOARD DEMS AND FIGHT
Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat and cannot be a leader of the Democratic Party.
This isn't complicated but y'all can't read or something.
That’s only what’s being discussed because you keep discussing it ad nauseam. The original post says “our party leaders.” It doesn’t say “The Democratic Party’s leaders.”
“Our party” can be interpreted any way we please and many of us only identify as Berniecrats.
Democratic officials not up for the fight to save our democracy need to consider stepping aside for a new generation
The two party system we have in place absolutely helped us get where we are, and that's NOT a good thing. Bernie may not be a Democrat, but he is, and has always been, FOR THE PEOPLE. We need leaders who care about the people they rep.
Effin' tribal labels are not material.
https://bsky.app/profile/garlicneo.bsky.social/post/3lkfz5pnhx22r
But you are fucking obtuse.
So there's that.